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If you are planning to play a mirror of the 2024 ICT set, please do not read further posts in this thread. (There has been an expression of interest for a British mirror in summer 2024.)

This is your question-specific discussion for the 2024 Division II ICT and IPNCT sets.
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Beyond disappointing that none of the top 9 high schoolers in the country can name the Marlins' 2017 opening day starter. Just plain unacceptable. In all seriousness, Edinson Volquez has to be the craziest sports answerline that I've ever heard in an all subject quiz bowl packet. Was this tossup written in 2017 and kept in the bank for 7 years before being brought out for this year's IPNCT?
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joshxu wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:55 pm Beyond disappointing that none of the top 9 high schoolers in the country can name the Marlins' 2017 opening day starter. Just plain unacceptable. In all seriousness, Edinson Volquez has to be the craziest sports answerline that I've ever heard in an all subject quiz bowl packet. Was this tossup written in 2017 and kept in the bank for 7 years before being brought out for this year's IPNCT?
Interestingly, within the past 90 days, April 7 was the day when Volquez's Wikipedia page got the most traffic.
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Can I see the tossup on the thirty tyrants? The moderator in our room said "3000 tyrants" for the answerline.
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The IPNCT finals tossup on "solutions" erroneously refers to them as "these substances". Solutions are mixtures, which are composed of substances, but the two terms are definitely different (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_ ... s_mixtures).
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The Favourite wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:18 pm Can I see the tossup on the thirty tyrants?
2024 DII ICT round 5 wrote:Forces controlled by this regime lost the Battle of Munychia during the Phyle Campaign. A member of this group, Theramenes, was accused of being a traitor and forced to drink hemlock by its leader, Critias. This group presided over (*) trials in the boule after coming to power following the Battle of Aegospotami. In 405 BC the victorious Spartans imposed—for 10 points—what numerically-named oligarchy on Athens?

answer: Thirty Tyrants (or hoi triakonta tyrannoi; before "numerically-named," prompt on "Athenian tyrants" or answers indicating a group of "tyrants of Athens")
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Can I see the tossup on Joe Kennedy? I thought it was quite suspicious that Kennedy was accepted outright. It could have simply been me, but I knew the answer to be JFK's father early on in the question, but I was super hesitant to buzz during the entire question out of fear of a neg after a prompt. I was really surprised when someone next to me buzzed and got their answer accepted for just Kennedy. I don't know the exact rules for having to prompt on an answerline because it is not unique enough, but this definitely feels like a case for that. If this isn't the case, then you can accept Kennedy, for JFK, RFK, and Ted Kennedy, etc.

Besides this one question that has been on my mind, I really enjoyed the IPNCT set and thought it was very enjoyable. I am looking forward to playing the rest of the tossups that I missed during the tournament!
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2024 DII ICT round 9 wrote:This man targeted Michael Meehan's "Radio Pool" as the first chairman of the SEC. This man declared "Democracy is finished in England. It may be here" while serving as ambassador to Britain in 1940. After the death of his namesake in Operation (*) Anvil, this man, who arranged a lobotomy for his daughter Rosemary, helped his second son defeat Richard Nixon in 1960. For 10 points—name this American political patriarch.

answer: Joseph P(atrick) Kennedy (Sr.) (accept Joe Kennedy)
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Important Bird Area wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:03 am
2024 DII ICT round 9 wrote:This man targeted Michael Meehan's "Radio Pool" as the first chairman of the SEC. This man declared "Democracy is finished in England. It may be here" while serving as ambassador to Britain in 1940. After the death of his namesake in Operation (*) Anvil, this man, who arranged a lobotomy for his daughter Rosemary, helped his second son defeat Richard Nixon in 1960. For 10 points—name this American political patriarch.

answer: Joseph P(atrick) Kennedy (Sr.) (accept Joe Kennedy)
In DI, my teammate answered this tossup with just "Kennedy", got prompted, and couldn't pull the prompt. Were the answerline instructions different in the DI set?
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Can I see the tossup about Yugoslavia please?
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joshxu wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:07 am
Important Bird Area wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:03 am
2024 DII ICT round 9 wrote:This man targeted Michael Meehan's "Radio Pool" as the first chairman of the SEC. This man declared "Democracy is finished in England. It may be here" while serving as ambassador to Britain in 1940. After the death of his namesake in Operation (*) Anvil, this man, who arranged a lobotomy for his daughter Rosemary, helped his second son defeat Richard Nixon in 1960. For 10 points—name this American political patriarch.

answer: Joseph P(atrick) Kennedy (Sr.) (accept Joe Kennedy)
In DI, my teammate answered this tossup with just "Kennedy", got prompted, and couldn't pull the prompt. Were the answerline instructions different in the DI set?
Yes, the Division I version had different instructions:
2024 DI ICT round 9 wrote:Joseph P(atrick) Kennedy (Sr.) (accept Joe Kennedy; prompt on "Kennedy")
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IndianaMan13 wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:52 am Can I see the tossup about Yugoslavia please?
2024 DII ICT round 14 wrote:After British forces refused a surrender, thousands of Axis collaborators being expelled back to this country were killed in the Bleiburg repatriations. The invasion of this country in the April War followed a coup that enthroned Peter II. Ante Pavelic led the fascist (*) Ustashe in this country against the Chetniks and the Partisans. In World War II Josip Tito liberated—for 10 points—what Balkan country?

answer: Yugoslavia (accept Kingdom of Yugoslavia or Federal Republic of Yugoslavia or Savezna Republika Jugoslavija; before "April War," prompt on "Croatia" or "Slovenia" by asking "what was the name of the country involved at that time?"; after "April War," reject all answers of successor countries to Yugoslavia)
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2024 DII ICT round 14 wrote:After British forces refused a surrender, thousands of Axis collaborators being expelled back to this country were killed in the Bleiburg repatriations. The invasion of this country in the April War followed a coup that enthroned Peter II. Ante Pavelic led the fascist (*) Ustashe in this country against the Chetniks and the Partisans. In World War II Josip Tito liberated—for 10 points—what Balkan country?

answer: Yugoslavia (accept Kingdom of Yugoslavia or Federal Republic of Yugoslavia or Savezna Republika Jugoslavija; before "April War," prompt on "Croatia" or "Slovenia" by asking "what was the name of the country involved at that time?"; after "April War," reject all answers of successor countries to Yugoslavia)
Thanks! But may I ask, why is Croatia unacceptable after "April War," considering the April War being caused by a coup in Yugoslavia isn't stated as explicit to the answerline, but rather only that it was an invasion of this country, so I wouldn't it be not any more disambiguating than the first clue? Like shouldn't the prompt instruction still be valid for actions on the entirety of Yugoslavia if no information given is specifically wrong about Croatia and especially since Ante Pavelic's titles of rule were mostly in Croatia?
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Could I see the Plague of Athens, Apollo, and The Police tossups please? Thanks!
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JaredJHe wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:41 am Could I see the Plague of Athens, Apollo, and The Police tossups please? Thanks!
2024 DII ICT round 12 wrote:Responses to this event included a decree removing all tombs from Delos. An ambiguous prophecy about either a limos or a loimos was widely quoted during this event. A description of this event stating that "fear of the gods" had no "restraining power" appears in Book 2 of Thucydides. (*) Overcrowding inside the Long Walls exacerbated—for 10 points—what disease outbreak that killed Pericles during the Peloponnesian War?
2024 DII ICT round 13 wrote:The speaker of a poem to this god calls himself a "blind man" from "rocky Chios" and recounts his punishment of the nymph Telphousa. A Homeric Hymn to this god describes him hijacking a Cretan ship in the form of a dolphin after slaying a dragon at (*) Pytho, and mentions his birth on "rocky Delos." The father of Asclepius is—for 10 points—what Greek god of light, music, and the Sun?
2024 DII ICT finals 1 wrote:Books by Arthur Koestler inspired the titles of this band's last two albums, including Ghost in the Machine, which spawned a hit about a woman who brings joy "even though my life before was tragic." A 1983 song by this band was sampled for the 1997 mega-hit Biggie Smalls tribute (*) "I'll Be Missing You" and features the sinister vow "I'll be watching you." For 10 points—what band behind "Every Breath You Take" was fronted by Sting?
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In the same vein as the complaints about the "Kennedy" tossup, I thought "Pelosi" being outright acceptable for Paul Pelosi was fairly questionable.
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A bit late, but can I see the question on Australian Aboriginals, the moderator in my room said that something happened in October 2024, and that confused me a bit, as October 2024 is yet to occur
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Zane Vatter wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 11:08 pm A bit late, but can I see the question on Australian Aboriginals, the moderator in my room said that something happened in October 2024, and that confused me a bit, as October 2024 is yet to occur
2024 DII ICT round 14 wrote:Health care for these people is provided at the Lowitja Institute, named for a nurse and advocate for them who died in 2024, Lowitja O'Donoghue. In October 2023 some of these people staged a "Week of Silence" after the defeat of the (*) "Voice to Parliament" referendum. A March 2024 youth curfew in Alice Springs was accused of discriminating against—for 10 points—what people, who are disproportionately arrested in Australia?
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Important Bird Area wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 9:16 am
Zane Vatter wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 11:08 pm A bit late, but can I see the question on Australian Aboriginals, the moderator in my room said that something happened in October 2024, and that confused me a bit, as October 2024 is yet to occur
2024 DII ICT round 14 wrote:Health care for these people is provided at the Lowitja Institute, named for a nurse and advocate for them who died in 2024, Lowitja O'Donoghue. In October 2023 some of these people staged a "Week of Silence" after the defeat of the (*) "Voice to Parliament" referendum. A March 2024 youth curfew in Alice Springs was accused of discriminating against—for 10 points—what people, who are disproportionately arrested in Australia?
Yeah, they probably said 2024 instead of 2023, I know I actually heard it as someone else said they heard it
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