Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
Recently, I've become interested in ranking teams. Originally I was going to post these rankings before the member's poll and the seeding meeting, but I decided that I did not want to influence any ballots beyond my own*. Although I like stats such as PPB/PPG/15pg, it is quite difficult to establish benchmarks for comparison on different sets. Through a little bit of research on ranking methods, I have found four methods that utilize only wins and losses in order to rank teams that have public formulas to ensure that rankings were reproducible and transparency. Those rankings are the Ratings Percentage Index (RPI), Vern's ranking system, Elo (as described by NAQT) and a modified version of the Simple Ranking System (SRS). More explanation on each individual ranking format can be found on the actual rankings page in the link below.
So after the copy/pasting/reformatting of over 2,800 matches later we have the rankings: http://www.michaelhwong.com/ilqbrank. I do not claim this system to be perfect or any ranking system to be perfect, but I think quantifying performance based on record and strength of schedule is quite interesting. Let me know what you think.
*Note: My IHSSBCA ballots were not determined solely based on these rankings.
So after the copy/pasting/reformatting of over 2,800 matches later we have the rankings: http://www.michaelhwong.com/ilqbrank. I do not claim this system to be perfect or any ranking system to be perfect, but I think quantifying performance based on record and strength of schedule is quite interesting. Let me know what you think.
*Note: My IHSSBCA ballots were not determined solely based on these rankings.
Mike Wong
Tulane University School of Medicine
A.B. Freeman School of Business at Tulane University
Benedictine University '15
IMSA '11
Tulane University School of Medicine
A.B. Freeman School of Business at Tulane University
Benedictine University '15
IMSA '11
Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
Who is MCC?
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
marian catholic central?tinioril wrote:Who is MCC?
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
Marian Central Catholic, from Woodstock; they've got two players who played Scobol Solo and did very well.tinioril wrote:Who is MCC?
Brad Fischer
Head Editor, IHSA State Series
IHSSBCA Chair
Winnebago HS ('06)
Northern Illinois University ('10)
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IHSSBCA Chair
Winnebago HS ('06)
Northern Illinois University ('10)
Assistant Coach, IMSA (2010-12)
Coach, Keith Country Day School (2012-16)
Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
Thanks.
Have they played anything else?
Have they played anything else?
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
They came in 3rd at both the Sterling Kickoff and the Fenton Turnabout, and they were 7th in the Standard Division at New Trier.
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
I, too, am surprised at how much higher MCC is relative to, well, Barrington, given we've finished higher than them in 100% of our common tournaments.
Jeff Price
Barrington High School Coach (2021 & 2023 HSNCT Champions, 2023 PACE Champions, 2023 Illinois Masonic Bowl Class 3A State Champions)
Barrington Station Middle School Coach (2013 MSNCT Champions, 2013 & 2017 Illinois Class AA State Champions)
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Barrington High School Coach (2021 & 2023 HSNCT Champions, 2023 PACE Champions, 2023 Illinois Masonic Bowl Class 3A State Champions)
Barrington Station Middle School Coach (2013 MSNCT Champions, 2013 & 2017 Illinois Class AA State Champions)
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
True. One thing I like to look at from these calculated rankings is the derived opponent's average Vern index of a given team. Essentially it accounts for a team's strength of schedule even more so than the Vern value out right.Moving Day wrote:I, too, am surprised at how much higher MCC is relative to, well, Barrington, given we've finished higher than them in 100% of our common tournaments.
One problem that these rankings have is accounting for the disjoint nature that is inherent to Illinois geography. Teams from different parts of the state don't necessarily have the chance for direct comparison or even secondary comparison with common opponents. This is where stats like PPB are much better to use as a comparison metric. Often, this leads to teams from weaker regions having inflated rankings. Again, I don't claim perfection or even coherency in these rankings. Take them with a huge grain of salt.
In other news, the latest set of rankings are now updated with Greenville Comet and NAQT State. Spoiler alert: IMSA A is no longer the unanimous number one team.
Link: http://www.michaelhwong.com/ilqbrank
Mike Wong
Tulane University School of Medicine
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
proud coach of the 8th best team in illinois
Charlie Dees, North Kansas City HS '08
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You can boost that rating with a trip to ATROPHY; $10 entry fee per team for you (and any other out of state team)!College Park Spyders wrote:proud coach of the 8th best team in illinois
Brad Fischer
Head Editor, IHSA State Series
IHSSBCA Chair
Winnebago HS ('06)
Northern Illinois University ('10)
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Coach, Keith Country Day School (2012-16)
Head Editor, IHSA State Series
IHSSBCA Chair
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
It's always been my dream to captain the 237th best High School team in Illinois. Dreams do come true!
Mike Perovanovic
University of Ill.-Chicago '13
Wheaton North '09
University of Ill.-Chicago '13
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
Wait...Carbondale B?
Ned Lauber
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
You're making this very faulty assumption that we aren't banned from playing your tournament by MSHSAA.Bone seeker wrote:You can boost that rating with a trip to ATROPHY; $10 entry fee per team for you (and any other out of state team)!
Charlie Dees, North Kansas City HS '08
"I won't say more because I know some of you parse everything I say." - Jeremy Gibbs
"At one TJ tournament the neg prize was the Hampshire College ultimate frisbee team (nude) calender featuring one Evan Silberman. In retrospect that could have been a disaster." - Harry White
"I won't say more because I know some of you parse everything I say." - Jeremy Gibbs
"At one TJ tournament the neg prize was the Hampshire College ultimate frisbee team (nude) calender featuring one Evan Silberman. In retrospect that could have been a disaster." - Harry White
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
What do we need to do to get unbanned? (please don't say "move the tournament to before MSHSAA State," please don't say "move the tournament to before MSHSAA State")College Park Spyders wrote:You're making this very faulty assumption that we aren't banned from playing your tournament by MSHSAA.Bone seeker wrote:You can boost that rating with a trip to ATROPHY; $10 entry fee per team for you (and any other out of state team)!
Brad Fischer
Head Editor, IHSA State Series
IHSSBCA Chair
Winnebago HS ('06)
Northern Illinois University ('10)
Assistant Coach, IMSA (2010-12)
Coach, Keith Country Day School (2012-16)
Head Editor, IHSA State Series
IHSSBCA Chair
Winnebago HS ('06)
Northern Illinois University ('10)
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Coach, Keith Country Day School (2012-16)
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
I won't. I'll say move the tournament before MSHSAA districts.
Charlie Dees, North Kansas City HS '08
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"At one TJ tournament the neg prize was the Hampshire College ultimate frisbee team (nude) calender featuring one Evan Silberman. In retrospect that could have been a disaster." - Harry White
"I won't say more because I know some of you parse everything I say." - Jeremy Gibbs
"At one TJ tournament the neg prize was the Hampshire College ultimate frisbee team (nude) calender featuring one Evan Silberman. In retrospect that could have been a disaster." - Harry White
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
Arrrrrrgh.College Park Spyders wrote:I won't. I'll say move the tournament before MSHSAA districts.
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Head Editor, IHSA State Series
IHSSBCA Chair
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Northern Illinois University ('10)
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Coach, Keith Country Day School (2012-16)
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
Charlie, are you pointing out a sad fact that people should consider, or are you seriously doing the "my one team cant go to this tournament therefore the host NEEDS to move the tournament" thing?
Matt Jackson
University of Chicago '24
Yale '14, Georgetown Day School '10
member emeritus, ACF
University of Chicago '24
Yale '14, Georgetown Day School '10
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
It sounds like this applies to every MSHSAA school?
Mike Cheyne
Formerly U of Minnesota
"You killed HSAPQ"--Matt Bollinger
Formerly U of Minnesota
"You killed HSAPQ"--Matt Bollinger
Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
Given that this tournament would greatly benefit from teams like Ladue and Rock Bridge being able to participate in it, I'd say it falls more into the "this is something the host should consider" category.
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
Teams from Missouri can only play one tournament after districts, and there already is one scheduled in Missouri, hence it would be banned for teams to go to this.
Charlie Dees, North Kansas City HS '08
"I won't say more because I know some of you parse everything I say." - Jeremy Gibbs
"At one TJ tournament the neg prize was the Hampshire College ultimate frisbee team (nude) calender featuring one Evan Silberman. In retrospect that could have been a disaster." - Harry White
"I won't say more because I know some of you parse everything I say." - Jeremy Gibbs
"At one TJ tournament the neg prize was the Hampshire College ultimate frisbee team (nude) calender featuring one Evan Silberman. In retrospect that could have been a disaster." - Harry White
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Re: Illinois Quizbowl Computer Rankings
Anyway I in no way am doing what you're saying, Matt, Brad in fact was the one who brought this tournament up trying to plug it to me and I answered his question that we can't possibly go, so he shouldn't try to fix it.
Charlie Dees, North Kansas City HS '08
"I won't say more because I know some of you parse everything I say." - Jeremy Gibbs
"At one TJ tournament the neg prize was the Hampshire College ultimate frisbee team (nude) calender featuring one Evan Silberman. In retrospect that could have been a disaster." - Harry White
"I won't say more because I know some of you parse everything I say." - Jeremy Gibbs
"At one TJ tournament the neg prize was the Hampshire College ultimate frisbee team (nude) calender featuring one Evan Silberman. In retrospect that could have been a disaster." - Harry White