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I'm pleased to announce Imaginary Landscape no. 1, a tournament of pyramidal audio tossups to be held Saturday night after rounds are done at HSNCT. It's being written by Dave Letzler, John Lawrence, and me, and will consist of (likely) 160 audio tossups on mostly classical music, with jazz and a few other subjects thrown in. Each tossup is around a minute long, and contains 5 or 6 snippets of music arranged from least famous to most famous. Before each tossup, the moderator will say "name the composer" or "name the work" to prevent vagueness.

The tournament will likely work by splitting the field up into rooms of 8, playing a quick 20-tossup seeding round, reseeding players based on their performance in that round (top 2 from each room going to the top room, next 2 going to the second-best room, and so on). We'll play n/8 rounds, where n is the number of players in the field; after each round, the top 2 players in each room will move up a room, the bottom 2 players in each room will move down a room, and everyone else will stay where they are. After those rounds are finished, the 8 players in the top room will play a 40 tossup finals round, with the winner of that round winning the tournament.

The entry fee is fifteen dollars per person, and it will almost certainly take place at least an hour or more after rounds finish on Saturday. We currently have 73 tossups finished, and the majority of them are quite accessible by the end, in my opinion, while still containing plenty of clues to differentiate levels of knowledge. Anyone can play.

If you have any questions about this tournament, or would like to sign up for it, please email [email protected] or post here. I'm looking forward to building on Andrew Hart's tournament and seeing who in quizbowl really knows their music.
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Here is a sample tossup for this tournament. Note that while its form is the same as the tossups for the tournament, its content is different.

Name the artist.
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I'd love to play this but I don't think I will be able to attend HSNCT. Any plans to have this done at NSC too?
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There will be absolutely no chance that I will be able or willing to attend, but how are you going to handle copyrights for this?
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magin wrote:Here is a sample tossup for this tournament. Note that while its form is the same as the tossups for the tournament, its content is different.

Name the artist.
http://soundcloud.com/jonathan-magin/sampletossup
As a sign of my near-total ignorance of modern music, may I ask what the answer of the tossup is?
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Charbroil wrote:
magin wrote:Here is a sample tossup for this tournament. Note that while its form is the same as the tossups for the tournament, its content is different.

Name the artist.
http://soundcloud.com/jonathan-magin/sampletossup
As a sign of my near-total ignorance of modern music, may I ask what the answer of the tossup is?
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Charbroil wrote:
magin wrote:Here is a sample tossup for this tournament. Note that while its form is the same as the tossups for the tournament, its content is different.

Name the artist.
http://soundcloud.com/jonathan-magin/sampletossup
As a sign of my near-total ignorance of modern music, may I ask what the answer of the tossup is?
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Before each tossup, the moderator will say "name the composer" or "name the work" to prevent vagueness.
For works, will there be multi-movement works where you include snippets from the different sections?
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Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:
Before each tossup, the moderator will say "name the composer" or "name the work" to prevent vagueness.
For works, will there be multi-movement works where you include snippets from the different sections?
Yeah, but the answer to every works tossup will be the name of the overall work, not one of the movements.
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Gaterion wrote:There will be absolutely no chance that I will be able or willing to attend, but how are you going to handle copyrights for this?
I'm no lawyer, but I think that these clips should be reasonably covered by fair use, especially since I can't see how these questions could deprive any copyright holder of income, and since the clips are transformed into something new, mainly pyramidal audio tossups (which I would think is different enough in purpose and character). Law students/lawyers are free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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A trick I learned from the movie "Bowfinger" is to claim that whatever you're making is intended for distribution in Madagascar and Uzbekistan only, as in the film Steve Martin's character claims that US copyright law does not apply in these countries.
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There should be a lot of public domain recordings of these works; if you come across one that isn't, in the worst case the set would have to be disseminated by email rather than being posted on collegiate.quizbowlpackets.com.
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magin wrote:
Gaterion wrote:There will be absolutely no chance that I will be able or willing to attend, but how are you going to handle copyrights for this?
I'm no lawyer, but I think that these clips should be reasonably covered by fair use, especially since I can't see how these questions could deprive any copyright holder of income, and since the clips are transformed into something new, mainly pyramidal audio tossups (which I would think is different enough in purpose and character). Law students/lawyers are free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Wikipedia's fair use policies are really strict, and they often have sound clips of songs on their articles for bands, composers, songs, etc. All of them are similar in length to each "clue" of this event, if not longer. The only thing that limits them is that they can't be an insane amount of clips on the same subject or from the same source. So as long as you don't have an entire round where all the tossups are on Beethoven works and all the clips are from performances by the London Symphony Orchestra, I think that you'll probably be fine.
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Given that nobody goes after Lil Wayne for his mixtapes, I think its safe to say legal concerns aren't a problem here.
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Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:Given that nobody goes after Lil Wayne for his mixtapes, I think its safe to say legal concerns aren't a problem here.
Yeah, I think the ultimate answer here is "no one will care".
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Morraine Man wrote:A trick I learned from the movie "Bowfinger" is to claim that whatever you're making is intended for distribution in Madagascar and Uzbekistan only, as in the film Steve Martin's character claims that US copyright law does not apply in these countries.
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Since I am interested in seeing how bad I am compared to the rest of music players in the country, I am signing up for this.
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Here's a quick field update:

1) Charlie Dees
2) Saul Hankin
3) Adil Khan
4) Max Schindler
5) Zev Kane
6) Haohang Xu
7) Guy Tabachnick
8) Farrah Bilimoria
9) Matt Jackson
10) Nikhil Desai
11) Andrew Hart
12) Trevor Davis
13) Matt Hayes
14) Billy Beyer
15) Sameer Rai

I know more people want to play this, so let me know if you do by emailing me or posting in this thread. If you would like to moderate, please also email me or post here.

Also, since there's more than one room playing the tournament, I'd like to ask people who plan on playing/moderating and have portable speakers to bring them.

The tournament should take around three to three and a half hours, so it shouldn't keep people up to ungodly hours.
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magin wrote:Here's a quick field update:

1) Charlie Dees
2) Saul Hankin
3) Adil Khan
4) Max Schindler
5) Zev Kane
6) Haohang Xu.

I know more people want to play this, so let me know if you do by emailing me or posting in this thread. If you would like to moderate, please also email me or post here.

Also, since there's more than one room playing the tournament, I'd like to ask people who plan on playing/moderating and have portable speakers to bring them.

The tournament should take around three to three and a half hours, so it shouldn't keep people up to ungodly hours.
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I'm playing this. You should too.
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I just want to say to everyone who might have some interest in this--this is probably the last major thing I'm going to work on quiz-bowl-wise. I think it's probably also the best, from a standpoint of originality and ambition--without exaggeration, I think this is going to be epoch-making. If you're going to be in the area and have any interest in music questions, you're going to want to play this.
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I am interested in playing this, and I think one or two other people from my team are as well.
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I'd like to play as well.
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I will play this.
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I'd love to get in on this.
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Sign me up, please.
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Where/when do we go for this?
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Mewto55555 wrote:Where/when do we go for this?
According to people at NAQT I've spoken with, people who want to play this tournament should show up to the Atlanta level of rooms (three floors below the lobby) at 8 pm.
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Sameer Rai from Bellarmine is going to do this. If anyone else expresses late interest (doubtful), I'll let you know.
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Thanks to my HSNCT ride withdrawing for reasons I am still unclear on, and nobody else from Missouri being able to transport me I will have to aggravatingly pass on this tournament. I'm pretty fucking pissed off.
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As per a request, the distribution of this tournament will be as follows:

1 movie
1 musical/other
1 jazz
1 country (the answer being a country, not country music)
3 opera/choral/ballet
2 piano/chamber/instrumental
4 orchestral
7 composers

I look forward to seeing everyone there.
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magin wrote: (the answer being a country, not country music)
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Mewto55555 wrote:
magin wrote: (the answer being a country, not country music)
:sad:
Ha, i'll admit i was at first confused when it simply said "country" as well. However, this is not disappointing to me.

Just wanted to say that this idea is ridiculously cool and i wish i could be there to at least see it in action. Perhaps another time.
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I regret not staffing HSNCT mostly because of this. :(
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Please, somebody run this at PACE. I beg you.
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Hey, I'd be up for that. At least for the "movie" and "musical" questions.
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I'll play it at PACE as well.
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every time i refresh i have a new name wrote:I'll play it at PACE as well.
I unfortunately won't be at PACE, but I completely support if someone wants to run it there.
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I would so play this at PACE.
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magin wrote:Here's a quick field update:

1) Charlie Dees
2) Saul Hankin
3) Adil Khan
4) Max Schindler
5) Zev Kane
6) Haohang Xu
7) Guy Tabachnick
8) Farrah Bilimoria
9) Matt Jackson
10) Nikhil Desai
11) Andrew Hart
12) Trevor Davis
13) Matt Hayes
14) Billy Beyer
15) Sameer Rai
16) Ben Forster
17) Connor Teevens

I know more people want to play this, so let me know if you do by emailing me or posting in this thread. If you would like to moderate, please also email me or post here.

Also, since there's more than one room playing the tournament, I'd like to ask people who plan on playing/moderating and have portable speakers to bring them.

The tournament should take around three to three and a half hours, so it shouldn't keep people up to ungodly hours.
I accidentally posted this instead of updating the original post, so to give it some content, if anyone wants to moderate this tournament, please post here/email me/talk to me.
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Again, people interested in playing this tournament should meet at 8 on the Atlanta level of the hotel.
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Zev Kane won this tournament in impressive fashion; the other 4 players on the final packet were Samer Ismail, Farrah Bilimoria, Matt Jackson, and Andrew Hart.

More details and thanks to come tomorrow. I hope everyone enjoyed the tournament; I saw quite a few impressive buzzes.

EDIT: Due to a proposed mirror of this tournament at NSC, please don't discuss the questions until next week.
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Jonathan Magin et al are pretty awesome for writing this set. That is all.
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Please, somebody volunteer to run this at PACE and you will be a hero because lots of people want to play and nobody wants to run it yet.
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If people are interested, I could run it Sunday night after the tournament is over.
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Re: Imaginary Landscape no. 1 at HSNCT

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This was honestly one of the most fun times I've ever had in quizbowl. I got to learn a ton, fail to recognize the origin of super-important things, and show that I'd heard other things that don't come up often when music gets translated into words. The non-classical tossups were a highlight of my day as well; all of them were just as well-written and well-ordered as the rest of the set, which was extremely accessible (with a few "6es" thrown in for extra fun). Super-thanks to Jonathan, Dave, and John for writing this; hopefully something similar happens again!
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Re: Imaginary Landscape no. 1 at HSNCT

Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) »

dtaylor4 wrote:If people are interested, I could run it Sunday night after the tournament is over.
I'm not going to do this unless it's either Saturday after the end of games or else Friday night, and I suspect strongly that most potential players are in the same boat.
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Re: Imaginary Landscape no. 1 at HSNCT

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Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:
dtaylor4 wrote:If people are interested, I could run it Sunday night after the tournament is over.
I'm not going to do this unless it's either Saturday after the end of games or else Friday night, and I suspect strongly that most potential players are in the same boat.
I could stay late on Saturday night and do this. You'll have to put up with my crappy netbook speakers since that's all I'm bringing home for the weekend.
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