ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
If one or more area sectionals is moved to the same date as this tournament, is there any way this tournament might have its date changed?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Are you suggesting that the midwest cannot dig itself out of the snow by 2 days from now?Charbroil wrote:If one or more area sectionals is moved to the same date as this tournament, is there any way this tournament might have its date changed?
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http://www.hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewto ... 13#p208522nalin wrote:Are you suggesting that the midwest cannot dig itself out of the snow by 2 days from now?Charbroil wrote:If one or more area sectionals is moved to the same date as this tournament, is there any way this tournament might have its date changed?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
FYI: It seems, at this point, like holding the region 11 tournament this weekend is still a go for most teams. We may lose a few (in fact, already have) but a majority of teams and staff would prefer this weekend.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Some of us have already bought plane tickets!Charbroil wrote:If one or more area sectionals is moved to the same date as this tournament, is there any way this tournament might have its date changed?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
As far as I know, all SCTs took place today, so it's no longer relevant.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Yeah, I realize that. I was just trying to make the point that, with a tournament that already has a sizable field and for which people are traveling long distances (necessitating airfare purchases), you can't just go, "hey guys can you move this tournament?" It's not so much that I'm worried about this tournament moving as I'm trying to disabuse people of the notion that this is an acceptable line of reasoning.alexdz wrote:As far as I know, all SCTs took place today, so it's no longer relevant.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
At the time, I was wondering about the possibility of multiple area sectionals being rescheduled to this date, which, as I'm sure you'd agree, would have required discussions along these lines.grapesmoker wrote:Yeah, I realize that. I was just trying to make the point that, with a tournament that already has a sizable field and for which people are traveling long distances (necessitating airfare purchases), you can't just go, "hey guys can you move this tournament?" It's not so much that I'm worried about this tournament moving as I'm trying to disabuse people of the notion that this is an acceptable line of reasoning.alexdz wrote:As far as I know, all SCTs took place today, so it's no longer relevant.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
I most certainly do not agree with any such thing!Charbroil wrote:At the time, I was wondering about the possibility of multiple area sectionals being rescheduled to this date, which, as I'm sure you'd agree, would have required discussions along these lines.
Look, I understand the need for coordination of tournament dates before the fact, and the possibility of having contingency plans in the case of emergency. However, you cannot just pick up a tournament and move it to the date of another tournament! Not you, not ACF, not NAQT should be allowed to do this kind of thing arbitrarily, and especially not if that other tournament already has a large and committed field of attendees, some of whom (like me) have already purchased airfare, and others who would be SCT attendees if SCT were not on the same weekend. I mean, what are you going to tell those people? Sucks to be you, but you're now out hundreds of dollars through no fault of your own?
If NAQT or anyone else wants to plan contingent dates for a tournament and doesn't want anyone else to have a tournament on that date, well, that's why we need things like calendar coordination. Otherwise, you either move the tournament location or you move to the earliest possible date that you don't think is going to inconvenience people who are looking to go to other tournaments.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Furthermore, let me add that upon closer examination, it appears that the only team that would actually have a conflict on this date on account of the midwestern snow is... WUSTL! I leave it to others to draw their own conclusions about the appropriateness of asking for a tournament to be moved when your team is the only one inconvenienced in this way. Maybe, just maybe, it is you who should have to make the difficult choice between attending this and SCT, and not every other team going to this tournament.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewto ... up#p208316grapesmoker wrote: Look, I understand the need for coordination of tournament dates before the fact, and the possibility of having contingency plans in the case of emergency. However, you cannot just pick up a tournament and move it to the date of another tournament! Not you, not ACF, not NAQT should be allowed to do this kind of thing arbitrarily, and especially not if that other tournament already has a large and committed field of attendees, some of whom (like me) have already purchased airfare, and others who would be SCT attendees if SCT were not on the same weekend. I mean, what are you going to tell those people? Sucks to be you, but you're now out hundreds of dollars through no fault of your own?
Presumably, the 12th or the 19th would have been the preferred makeup dates at other sites as well.
If I recall correctly, St. Louis and/or Missouri was not the only location containing teams attending this tournament which was affected by the snowstorm. Furthermore, if you'll recall the original language of my post, it was to ask whether there were contingency plans if "one or more" other sectionals were rescheduled to this date. Obviously it would be absurd to reschedule the event to allow us to attend; however, that was never the intent of my post.grapesmoker wrote: Furthermore, let me add that upon closer examination, it appears that the only team that would actually have a conflict on this date on account of the midwestern snow is... WUSTL! I leave it to others to draw their own conclusions about the appropriateness of asking for a tournament to be moved when your team is the only one inconvenienced in this way.
Granted, I suppose I should apologize profusely for not having checked the weather situation at every other sectional in the area before making a casual inquiry about what sorts of contingency plans might exist.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Here is the field so far. Ohio State is going to the Carnegie Mellon mirror; if you are in a similar position please send an email or post here.
Vinokurov et al. 1 team/0 buzzers/0 staffers
Illinois 1 team/0 buzzers/0 staffers
Winklebutler 1 team/2 buzzers/0 staffers
Michigan 2 teams/3 buzzers/0 staffers
Bowling Green 2 teams/1 buzzer/0 staffers
Notre Dame 1 team/1 buzzer/0 staffers
House 1-2 team/1 buzzer/~9 staffers
Total: 9-10 teams/8 buzzers/~9 staffers
Please correct me if I've left out a buzzer or staffer, and finalize team numbers in the next week or so.
Vinokurov et al. 1 team/0 buzzers/0 staffers
Illinois 1 team/0 buzzers/0 staffers
Winklebutler 1 team/2 buzzers/0 staffers
Michigan 2 teams/3 buzzers/0 staffers
Bowling Green 2 teams/1 buzzer/0 staffers
Notre Dame 1 team/1 buzzer/0 staffers
House 1-2 team/1 buzzer/~9 staffers
Total: 9-10 teams/8 buzzers/~9 staffers
Please correct me if I've left out a buzzer or staffer, and finalize team numbers in the next week or so.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
We will bring 3 buzzers.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Just letting you know ASU Quizbowl has decided to host MUT instead of Sack of Antwerp due to higher interest and in order to cater to our rivals in Tucson who are newly arrived in our quizbowl world. Sorry we won't have a West Coast mirror this year. Thanks for giving us this as an option anyway.Tees-Exe Line wrote:That's right--ASU can run it in March, and whichever date you prefer is fine with us. Please email me so we can discuss the details.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Members have until Monday to tell me if they're attending. I'll let you know then if we'll have a second team (if I say nothing, we're only bringing one team). We will have 2 buzzers.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Notre Dame is 1 team, 1 buzzer
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Michigan is gonna be 2 teams.
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We are bringing one team and at least one buzzer (two if I remember to talk to Ike).
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Hey, so the "Winkler et al." team now consists solely of myself, Nolan Winkler, and Dan Donohue due to cancellations and schedule fuck-ups. So, if there are any free agents or if any teams have extra players that might want to team up, you can e-mail one of us at MoWinkla (at) Gmail (dot) com or DanDonohue91 (at) Gmail (dot) com.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Unfortunately, we're going to have to drop our teams because everyone turned out to be busy. I know this is somewhat ironic given the above conversations, and thus I would like to reiterate that I never implied that this tournament should be rescheduled on our behalf.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
NOM NOM NOM THIS IRONING IS DELICIOUSCharbroil wrote:Unfortunately, we're going to have to drop our teams because everyone turned out to be busy. I know this is somewhat ironic given the above conversations, and thus I would like to reiterate that I never implied that this tournament should be rescheduled on our behalf.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
It should be noted that Will Butler has done this and the three of us are still looking for a 4th teammate.Secretary of Bobcats wrote:Hey, so the "Winkler et al." team now consists solely of myself, Nolan Winkler, and Dan Donohue due to cancellations and schedule fuck-ups. So, if there are any free agents or if any teams have extra players that might want to team up, you can e-mail one of us at MoWinkla (at) Gmail (dot) com or DanDonohue91 (at) Gmail (dot) com.
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I have taken the liberty of combining your names into the most euphonious permutation possible.Secretary of Bobcats wrote:It should be noted that Will Butler has done this and the three of us are still looking for a 4th teammate.Secretary of Bobcats wrote:Hey, so the "Winkler et al." team now consists solely of myself, Nolan Winkler, and Dan Donohue due to cancellations and schedule fuck-ups. So, if there are any free agents or if any teams have extra players that might want to team up, you can e-mail one of us at MoWinkla (at) Gmail (dot) com or DanDonohue91 (at) Gmail (dot) com.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
We're not going to be able to come, sorry if that causes any problems.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
EDIT: Answered my own question.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
As noted in the newest edition of the field list, we're not going. Sorry guys.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
The tournament will be held in Harper Memorial Library, which you can see if you click "The Main Quadrangles" in this map of the campus. Registration will begin in Room 130 at 8:30 and rounds will start at 9:00. Please do not be late.
There will be two house teams to make a total of ten teams and nine games in the preliminary rounds. After that, the house teams will be dropped and the remaining eight will be split into two brackets to play at least three more games, with finals if necessary.
The easiest way to get food for lunch is probably to go to Hutchinson Common's in the Reynold's Club, which is in the northeast corner of the main quad. There are also coffee shops scattered across the quad that have sandwiches and the like; most accept credit/debit cards but you should probably bring $5-$10 in cash to be safe.
There will be two house teams to make a total of ten teams and nine games in the preliminary rounds. After that, the house teams will be dropped and the remaining eight will be split into two brackets to play at least three more games, with finals if necessary.
The easiest way to get food for lunch is probably to go to Hutchinson Common's in the Reynold's Club, which is in the northeast corner of the main quad. There are also coffee shops scattered across the quad that have sandwiches and the like; most accept credit/debit cards but you should probably bring $5-$10 in cash to be safe.
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Live-ish stats will be here.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
The prelims are complete; stats are posted here. We are now disbanding the house teams and breaking into two brackets of 4. The top four are Jerry/Seth/Laferbrook, Michigan A, Winklebut, and Michigan B. The lower four are Illinois, Notre Dame, Bowling Green A, and Bowling Green B.
Due to one moderator reading the wrong packet, Michigan A, Michigan B, Winklebut, and Notre Dame each played one fewer game than they should have.
Playoff stats will be here.
Due to one moderator reading the wrong packet, Michigan A, Michigan B, Winklebut, and Notre Dame each played one fewer game than they should have.
Playoff stats will be here.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Michigan A beat Seth/Jerry/Laferbrook the second time around, so a final is beginning just now.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Can I please ask that since there may be future mirrors of this tournament, please do not discuss the content of the tournament on the forums.
Thanks very much--I hope everyone enjoyed it.
Thanks very much--I hope everyone enjoyed it.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Seth/Jerry/Laferbrook won the finals to win the tournament.jonah wrote:Michigan A beat Seth/Jerry/Laferbrook the second time around, so a final is beginning just now.
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We now have complete stats.
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This was really "regular difficulty" even though just one team broke 17ppb?
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CHRZ, your argument would be stronger if (1) there weren't two teams within .05 of 17 pbb and (2) it wasn't totally obvious from the first two pages of this thread that the tournament's definition of difficulty would be at its easiest Regionals level.
On a related note, I'm not sure what long-forgotten meme necessitated the capybara emoticon in the first place, but maybe that should become the new forum shorthand for "TOO HARD!" Like, "the capybara demands higher bonus conversion."
On a related note, I'm not sure what long-forgotten meme necessitated the capybara emoticon in the first place, but maybe that should become the new forum shorthand for "TOO HARD!" Like, "the capybara demands higher bonus conversion."
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Not having seen the set, I can't comment on it, and I can do the usual pearl-clutching at the appallingly poor bonus numbers, but one of the biggest quibbles I have is that these tournaments inevitably end up trapping apparently confused, relatively new to the circuit type teams for some oddball reason. While Marshall was saying that this would be a regular difficulty tournament and the rest of the circuit was preparing itself for off the rails action, for some reason, Bowling Green got a bee in its bonnet about attending, and ended up getting sucker punched. I hope they knew what they were getting into, but I somewhat doubt it.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Dude, I was there. This tournament was fucking hard, way beyond anything like "regular difficulty." I'm not a fan of any kind of pearl clutching and enjoy wacky hard tournaments, and I'm telling you that I know there were bonuses we were getting 10 or 20 on and I was sure that almost every other team was getting 0. In this particular case, Chrz is absolutely correct that this tournament was not within the advertised difficulty. That's something I suspected going in, but it's not something Bowling Green could have suspected going in.marnold wrote:CHRZ, your argument would be stronger if (1) there weren't two teams within .05 of 17 pbb and (2) it wasn't totally obvious from the first two pages of this thread that the tournament's definition of difficulty would be at its easiest Regionals level.
On a related note, I'm not sure what long-forgotten meme necessitated the capybara emoticon in the first place, but maybe that should become the new forum shorthand for "TOO HARD!" Like, "the capybara demands higher bonus conversion."
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Oh, yeah, I'm not claiming it wasn't hard: obviously I have no idea one way or the other, and I would have even been floored if it hadn't been hard. I was just trying to (light-heartedly) point out the humor of proving its impossibility with "only one team over 17pbb!" when there are teams with 16.96 and 16.99. Anyway, Jerry and Mike are right that non-circuit regular teams should be properly warned before these sorts of caveat emptor tournaments.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
The tournament was much harder than advertised. It seems a lot of teams intuited this would be the case, but we should have said so explicitly, especially when there was a school new to the circuit.
I'm curious to hear what people thought about the English-language literature, of which I wrote about half. In the not-too-distant future there should be a discussion thread, either closed or public depending on the fate of East Coast mirrors, but before then it would be helpful, if you have any comments or complaints, to email me at smbailey1 curly-A uchicago period edu.
I'm curious to hear what people thought about the English-language literature, of which I wrote about half. In the not-too-distant future there should be a discussion thread, either closed or public depending on the fate of East Coast mirrors, but before then it would be helpful, if you have any comments or complaints, to email me at smbailey1 curly-A uchicago period edu.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Perhaps a private forum for people who played at UChicago (and thus wouldn't play at any mirrors) could be set up?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
To be honest, I did know what we were getting into. I am the only remnant from the Bowling Green teams that used to actually attend tournaments (as rare as that was), so I have been to Chicago tournaments before. The reason I wanted to attend was because of the lack of scheduling conflicts on that day and the bizarre insistence of my team that simply going to practices (if even that much) is enough to produce a competitive team. I figured it'd be the quiz bowl equivalent of a scared straight program that will cause the team to either get it together for next year or simply disband after my graduation. Either way is for the best in my book.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Just to follow up on Bruce's and other posts, I've put in requests to the administrators to set up a private forum to discuss this tournament. Hopefully that will be in existence soon.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Couldn't you have taken your teammates to tournaments like Early Autumn Collegiate Novice, ACF Fall, maybe something like the Terrapin mirror at Michigan, or anything to actually give them a good idea of what the circuit is like, rather than trying to scare them straight? If you have people who do practice consistently and who want to be competitive, actually encouraging them to go out to all that the circuit has to offer, especially the easier tournaments, is an immensely better strategy to foster growth than cherrypicking a crazy open tournament to scare them off with some hopes that it makes your team disband next year. I think that's a horrible way to lead your team.I figured it'd be the quiz bowl equivalent of a scared straight program that will cause the team to either get it together for next year or simply disband after my graduation. Either way is for the best in my book.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
A "Sack of Antwerp discussion" forum now exists--I hope you'll join to make comments on the tournament's content.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)
Couldn't you have taken your teammates to tournaments like Early Autumn Collegiate Novice, ACF Fall, maybe something like the Terrapin mirror at Michigan, or anything to actually give them a good idea of what the circuit is like, rather than trying to scare them straight?
So, in short, no.The reason I wanted to attend was because of the lack of scheduling conflicts on that day
We do not. This was not our first tournament of the year (again, it was a rare one without conflicts), and when I presented them the opportunity to learn important subject matter for tournaments, I was told simply "no" by the team.If you have people who do practice consistently and who want to be competitive