Illinois '09-'10

the return of AHAN · Post by **the return of AHAN** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:31 am

The Gobbledy Gooker wrote:Event: Mid-Suburban League [09-IL-A]
Host: Hoffman Estates High School, Hoffman Estates, IL
Contact: Brian Harlan

This is exciting. No more AVERY!

David Riley · Post by **David Riley** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:57 pm

indeed! How did all of this go down? I thought MSL was virtually married to Avery's questions.

BGSO · Post by **BGSO** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:32 pm

David Riley wrote: indeed! How did all of this go down? I thought MSL was virtually married to Avery's questions.

So did I, apparently some of my going around my coach may have paid off. Not to mention I think the NAQT set was considerably less costly than the sets Avery gave us.

Stained Diviner · Post by **Stained Diviner** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:37 pm

Avery is writing fewer IHSA Format questions this year. He is taking several tournaments nationally that used to go to Patrick's Press.

Dresden_The_BIG_JERK · Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:28 pm

I guess that works out for Illinois. Once you go NAQT you....never go back...or something...

Jane Fairfax · Post by **Jane Fairfax** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:31 pm

Nolan Winkler wanted me to revive discussion by saying

"So Season started on Saturday. Yay! Then say something that can be turned into a discussion point"

So my discussion starter: What teams/players are underrated [or overrated, if you're daring]? And how good are Barrington and Carbondale, both of whom had impressive young talent at Fall Novice [e.g. BEN CHAMETZKY].

David Riley · Post by **David Riley** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:38 pm

I won't mention specific teams, but as an erstwhile board contributor would have it, many teams are ranked or put into pools at tournaments based solely on reputation and not on any solid accomplishments.

Another fallacy is the idea that large schools are automatically superior to small ones, and that Chicago suburban schools superior to others.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:31 pm

Jane Fairfax wrote:Nolan Winkler wanted me to revive discussion by saying

"So Season started on Saturday. Yay! Then say something that can be turned into a discussion point"

So my discussion starter: What teams/players are underrated [or overrated, if you're daring]? And how good are Barrington and Carbondale, both of whom had impressive young talent at Fall Novice [e.g. BEN CHAMETZKY].

I think Barrington has the potential to be a great team. Jeffrey Price's middle schoolers+new, uncorrupted coach+solid A team+transfer student named Thomas Yu=winning. They might not travel a lot. And they might not break into the top-10 this season. But, this could be a program to watch out for.

And, although I didn't see UIUC's mirror, I understand that Ben C. just destroyed the set. No surprises there...he showed he's a solid player at ACE camp.

David Riley · Post by **David Riley** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:44 pm

We interrupt this thread to bring you an important message...

We have less than ten teams registered for Trashtastrophe! If you intend to play, then let your coaches know about it!

We now return to our regularly scheduled commentary.

Boeing X-20, Please! · Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:51 pm

Dan-Don wrote:
Jane Fairfax wrote:Nolan Winkler wanted me to revive discussion by saying

"So Season started on Saturday. Yay! Then say something that can be turned into a discussion point"

So my discussion starter: What teams/players are underrated [or overrated, if you're daring]? And how good are Barrington and Carbondale, both of whom had impressive young talent at Fall Novice [e.g. BEN CHAMETZKY].
I think Barrington has the potential to be a great team. Jeffrey Price's middle schoolers+new, uncorrupted coach+solid A team+transfer student named Thomas Yu=winning. They might not travel a lot. And they might not break into the top-10 this season. But, this could be a program to watch out for.

And, although I didn't see UIUC's mirror, I understand that Ben C. just destroyed the set. No surprises there...he showed he's a solid player at ACE camp.

I don't think that Ben's individual stats of 100+ ppg should really be looked at too much here. Sure, 100 ppg is awesome but the field was not. Of course, putting up 100 ppg alone on that set is pretty good but the real impression made on me here was by the bonus conversion. The barrington team who basically destroyed the field, really having only one or two close games (vs. Loyola A, 270-225 and 230-215 decided on the final question) had only 17.62 PPB. Carbondale had 24.14. A whole 6.5 Points higher than the winners at Viator! Sure, the comparison might be a bit off because UIUC apparently had different eligibility rules, as shown by Ben Chametzky playing and consequently pwining, making the Viator teams at a bit of a disadvantage. Aside from that, this bonus conversion shows their immense f/s ability. With Jeremiah playing next to Ben, they should really make some noise. I think that when we did our little poll we severely underrated C-Dale and they should be in the 3-5 range.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:55 pm

MoCity02 wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:
Jane Fairfax wrote:Nolan Winkler wanted me to revive discussion by saying

"So Season started on Saturday. Yay! Then say something that can be turned into a discussion point"

So my discussion starter: What teams/players are underrated [or overrated, if you're daring]? And how good are Barrington and Carbondale, both of whom had impressive young talent at Fall Novice [e.g. BEN CHAMETZKY].
I think Barrington has the potential to be a great team. Jeffrey Price's middle schoolers+new, uncorrupted coach+solid A team+transfer student named Thomas Yu=winning. They might not travel a lot. And they might not break into the top-10 this season. But, this could be a program to watch out for.

And, although I didn't see UIUC's mirror, I understand that Ben C. just destroyed the set. No surprises there...he showed he's a solid player at ACE camp.
I don't think that Ben's individual stats of 100+ ppg should really be looked at too much here. Sure, 100 ppg is awesome but the field was not. Of course, putting up 100 ppg alone on that set is pretty good but the real impression made on me here was by the bonus conversion. The barrington team who basically destroyed the field, really having only one or two close games (vs. Loyola A, 270-225 and 230-215 decided on the final question) had only 17.62 PPB. Carbondale had 24.14. A whole 6.5 Points higher than the winners at Viator! Sure, the comparison might be a bit off because UIUC apparently had different eligibility rules, as shown by Ben Chametzky playing and consequently pwining, making the Viator teams at a bit of a disadvantage. Aside from that, this bonus conversion shows their immense f/s ability. With Jeremiah playing next to Ben, they should really make some noise. I think that when we did our little poll we severely underrated C-Dale and they should be in the 3-5 range.

This is true....like I keep saying, Viator was ranked too high. C-Dale, too low. Also, SIGN UP FOR TRASHTASTROPHE PEOPLE!

the return of AHAN · Post by **the return of AHAN** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:56 pm

Dan-Don wrote:
Jane Fairfax wrote:Nolan Winkler wanted me to revive discussion by saying

"So Season started on Saturday. Yay! Then say something that can be turned into a discussion point"

So my discussion starter: What teams/players are underrated [or overrated, if you're daring]? And how good are Barrington and Carbondale, both of whom had impressive young talent at Fall Novice [e.g. BEN CHAMETZKY].
I think Barrington has the potential to be a great team. Jeffrey Price's middle schoolers+new, uncorrupted coach+solid A team+transfer student named Thomas Yu=winning. They might not travel a lot. And they might not break into the top-10 this season. But, this could be a program to watch out for.

And, although I didn't see UIUC's mirror, I understand that Ben C. just destroyed the set. No surprises there...he showed he's a solid player at ACE camp.

We plan to send two teams to the Loyola Ultima for the first time ever. Let's see how that goes. I'd say one goal of ours is to defeat Fremd and play in the MSL championship game. Hopefully the Ultima experience (and others to be determined) will go a long ways towards that goal. Actually, my frosh/soph teams have beaten Fremd in 3 out of 7 match-ups over the past two years, so we may be closer than I realize.

the return of AHAN · Post by **the return of AHAN** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:10 pm

MoCity02 wrote: stuff about Ben Chametzky of C-Dale...

Is he a sophomore? Or a junior? I see he put up 59/PPG at the D&GTIII, trailing only Lisle Greg and Zach Blumenfeld. Two juniors of ours that I expect to be starting varsity (and were subsequently excluded from The Septemberist), Sam and Kyle, only managed low 30's. If Ben did that as a frosh, I'm even more impressed!

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:17 pm

Max Moon wrote:
MoCity02 wrote: stuff about Ben Chametzky of C-Dale...
Is he a sophomore? Or a junior? I see he put up 59/PPG at the D&GTIII, trailing only Lisle Greg and Zach Blumenfeld. Two juniors of ours that I expect to be starting varsity (and were subsequently excluded from The Septemberist), Sam and Kyle, only managed low 30's. If Ben did that as a frosh, I'm even more impressed!

He's a current sophomore.

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:45 pm

MoCity02 wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:
Jane Fairfax wrote:Nolan Winkler wanted me to revive discussion by saying

"So Season started on Saturday. Yay! Then say something that can be turned into a discussion point"

So my discussion starter: What teams/players are underrated [or overrated, if you're daring]? And how good are Barrington and Carbondale, both of whom had impressive young talent at Fall Novice [e.g. BEN CHAMETZKY].
I think Barrington has the potential to be a great team. Jeffrey Price's middle schoolers+new, uncorrupted coach+solid A team+transfer student named Thomas Yu=winning. They might not travel a lot. And they might not break into the top-10 this season. But, this could be a program to watch out for.

And, although I didn't see UIUC's mirror, I understand that Ben C. just destroyed the set. No surprises there...he showed he's a solid player at ACE camp.
I don't think that Ben's individual stats of 100+ ppg should really be looked at too much here. Sure, 100 ppg is awesome but the field was not. Of course, putting up 100 ppg alone on that set is pretty good but the real impression made on me here was by the bonus conversion. The barrington team who basically destroyed the field, really having only one or two close games (vs. Loyola A, 270-225 and 230-215 decided on the final question) had only 17.62 PPB. Carbondale had 24.14. A whole 6.5 Points higher than the winners at Viator! Sure, the comparison might be a bit off because UIUC apparently had different eligibility rules, as shown by Ben Chametzky playing and consequently pwining, making the Viator teams at a bit of a disadvantage. Aside from that, this bonus conversion shows their immense f/s ability. With Jeremiah playing next to Ben, they should really make some noise. I think that when we did our little poll we severely underrated C-Dale and they should be in the 3-5 range.

We used straight-up JV rules, and also used bouncebacks on bonuses, so BC as a point of comparison isn't really valid.

Dresden_The_BIG_JERK · Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:58 am

dtaylor4 wrote:
MoCity02 wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:
Jane Fairfax wrote:Nolan Winkler wanted me to revive discussion by saying

"So Season started on Saturday. Yay! Then say something that can be turned into a discussion point"

So my discussion starter: What teams/players are underrated [or overrated, if you're daring]? And how good are Barrington and Carbondale, both of whom had impressive young talent at Fall Novice [e.g. BEN CHAMETZKY].
I think Barrington has the potential to be a great team. Jeffrey Price's middle schoolers+new, uncorrupted coach+solid A team+transfer student named Thomas Yu=winning. They might not travel a lot. And they might not break into the top-10 this season. But, this could be a program to watch out for.

And, although I didn't see UIUC's mirror, I understand that Ben C. just destroyed the set. No surprises there...he showed he's a solid player at ACE camp.
I don't think that Ben's individual stats of 100+ ppg should really be looked at too much here. Sure, 100 ppg is awesome but the field was not. Of course, putting up 100 ppg alone on that set is pretty good but the real impression made on me here was by the bonus conversion. The barrington team who basically destroyed the field, really having only one or two close games (vs. Loyola A, 270-225 and 230-215 decided on the final question) had only 17.62 PPB. Carbondale had 24.14. A whole 6.5 Points higher than the winners at Viator! Sure, the comparison might be a bit off because UIUC apparently had different eligibility rules, as shown by Ben Chametzky playing and consequently pwining, making the Viator teams at a bit of a disadvantage. Aside from that, this bonus conversion shows their immense f/s ability. With Jeremiah playing next to Ben, they should really make some noise. I think that when we did our little poll we severely underrated C-Dale and they should be in the 3-5 range.
We used straight-up JV rules, and also used bouncebacks on bonuses, so BC as a point of comparison isn't really valid.

Are there possibly stats on BC when controlling the bonus? That would equate to the normal non-bouncy BC.

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:57 am

Cowboy Bob Orton wrote:Are there possibly stats on BC when controlling the bonus? That would equate to the normal non-bouncy BC.

Because of issues related to my attempt to utilize the Excel scoresheet, no.

Captain Sinico · Post by **Captain Sinico** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:02 am

Cowboy Bob Orton wrote:Are there possibly stats on BC when controlling the bonus? That would equate to the normal non-bouncy BC.

That might be possible to compute using the Excel score sheets that (I assume) Donald has, but it doesn't exist now. I'd like to add, also, that against teams with lower BC, the effect of bounceback on a team's BC is even more pronounced. I frequently saw Carbondale take more points on a team's bonus than the team itself got. I expect that their true BC would be closer to 15 than to 25.

MaS

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:33 pm

Captain Sinico wrote:
Cowboy Bob Orton wrote:Are there possibly stats on BC when controlling the bonus? That would equate to the normal non-bouncy BC.
That might be possible to compute using the Excel score sheets that (I assume) Donald has, but it doesn't exist now. I'd like to add, also, that against teams with lower BC, the effect of bounceback on a team's BC is even more pronounced. I frequently saw Carbondale take more points on a team's bonus than the team itself got. I expect that their true BC would be closer to 15 than to 25.

MaS

15 is still a solid BC considering that Ben, who isn't yet strong in all the areas of the canon (I believe he's a History specialist) is going to be assisted by Jeremiah (who, if I remember correctly, is a very good generalist) during the regular Varsity season

Captain Sinico · Post by **Captain Sinico** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:37 pm

Of course it is.

MaS

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:40 pm

Just found out today: North-Metro League will use NAQT for Varsity matches and Bryce for F/S. Good quizbowl is half-victorious!

EDIT: there was some other bad news regarding the future of our program...can't post it...email me if you want to know.

Irreligion in Bangladesh · Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:04 pm

NIU's hosting a college tournament on October 24th - announcement thread here - and we'd love to see as many high school teams as possible. Note the $50 discount for high school teams!

Dresden_The_BIG_JERK · Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:24 am

Just thought I'd see what everyone is thinknig now that there's a couple tourney's in the book. I've yet to attend anything myself, but the consensus seems to be that Loyola seems to be quite strong, definitely even better that expected...other thoughts?

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:28 am

Carbondale will tear up over the next three years. Even without Jeremiah, they still made a damn good showing for themselves at Earlybird.

Loyola is very strong. I expect them to finally get some hardware in Peoria.

New Trier has potential, but they need to learn stuff. For this year, I'd probably say the same for Carbondale.

Auburn is still a mystery. We'll see what kind of numbers they can put up at Kickoff.

David Riley · Post by **David Riley** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:43 am

I'll just add that, based on Septembrist, U of I Novice, and Early Bird, expect a showing from the following teams in a few years (provided the students work, the coach cares, and their respective principals don't cut the programs):

Barrington (also due to excellent middle school coaching and training)

Crete-Monee (their coach wants to expose them to good quiz bowl)

Champaign Centennial (coach is a former player, ditto for what I said at Barrington, plus decent numbers at U of I Novice and Early Bird for a beginning team)

Fenton (an outstanding coach whose program is starting to gel)

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:50 am

David Riley wrote:Champaign Centennial (coach is a former player, ditto for what I said at Barrington, plus decent numbers at U of I Novice and Early Bird for a beginning team)

I've done my best to point the coach towards good quizbowl and good sources for studying. Depending on how long I remain in the C-U area, I may become more involved with this team.

David Riley · Post by **David Riley** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:19 pm

Yeah, if any of you guys have the time, this would be a good outreach....speaking of which, what's up with Urbana HS? You never see them anywhere! Anyone know if they even do league play?

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:23 pm

David Riley wrote:Yeah, if any of you guys have the time, this would be a good outreach....speaking of which, what's up with Urbana HS? You never see them anywhere! Anyone know if they even do league play?

They haven't had a team for as long as I've been around. I have heard rumblings of them possibly starting a team, but nothing is concrete yet.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:26 pm

Well, the bottom line is that, thanks to the efforts of Donald and the ABT, some Southern teams have embraced good quizbowl. This is HUGE. And it could signal that time are a'changin (not for a long, long time probably, but still...).

David Riley · Post by **David Riley** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:50 pm

Good point, Dan-Don. Teams like Greenville and Decatur Lutheran are all starting to get on the quiz bowl map....as you say, it will probably be a long, long time but it is indeed a start.

abnormal abdomen · Post by **abnormal abdomen** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:41 pm

dtaylor4 wrote:Carbondale will tear up over the next three years. Even without Jeremiah, they still made a damn good showing for themselves at Earlybird.

Loyola is very strong. I expect them to finally get some hardware in Peoria.

New Trier has potential, but they need to learn stuff. For this year, I'd probably say the same for Carbondale.

Auburn is still a mystery. We'll see what kind of numbers they can put up at Kickoff.

Lloyd won't even be at Kickoff, so I don't think we'll be at 100% until... Decembrist?

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:19 pm

Hey everybody! Look here: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=8391&start=0

We need teams for Trashtastrophe!

Wackford Squeers · Post by **Wackford Squeers** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:31 pm

Hey folks, a little bit of a change of subject here: My team has a few questions about writing for the turnabout. From what I understand, the questions should be 4-6 liners, and the distro is standard IHSA. In that Aegis guide Matt Laird posted it said we should avoid 3 part bonuses and saying FTP, but that's contrary to some other things I've heard. Could you clear this up for me? We've got a few questions but we're worried about writing to many if we'll have to go back and change them later.

adeveau · Post by **adeveau** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:52 pm

So yeah. Carbondale, among Jeremiah, Ben, and occasionally Sofia, are very good. As are Loyola, who are still really solid on literature and the like. I'm sure their depth and bredth will only get better as the year goes on. Stevenson was good even without Blumenfeld. I imagine he overlaps quite a bit with the rest of his team, but still, they'll be exceptional with him. Who knows about Auburn until they start playing.

Edit: Literacy

Boeing X-20, Please! · Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:43 pm

adeveau wrote:So yeah. Carbondale, among Jeremiah, Ben, and occasionally Sofia, are very good. As are Loyola, who are still really solid on literature and the like. I'm sure their depth and bredth will only get better as the year goes on. Stevenson was good even without Blumenfeld. I imagine he overlaps quite a bit with the rest of his team, but still, they'll be exceptional with him. Who knows about Auburn until they start playing.

Edit: Literacy

Yeah, Carbondale continues to impress as with the addition of Jeremiah (they were without him at earlybird) they completely turned the tables on us. Also, I was incredibly impressed by Kevin from Stevenson. Congrats on whatever you did over summer to come out of relatively nowhere (I only saw you in like 3 tournament stats of last year through a brief check) and improve yourself so much into a great player, dude.

Stained Diviner · Post by **Stained Diviner** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:03 pm

Ben--
Follow the advice in the Aegis guide. If you have more questions and Laird/Greenthal/Fischer/Strey do not respond here, feel free to email them (or a subset of them) a few questions to ask if they are acceptable.

jonah · Post by **jonah** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:10 pm

Chametz wrote:Hey folks, a little bit of a change of subject here: My team has a few questions about writing for the turnabout. From what I understand, the questions should be 4-6 liners, and the distro is standard IHSA. In that Aegis guide Matt Laird posted it said we should avoid 3 part bonuses and saying FTP, but that's contrary to some other things I've heard. Could you clear this up for me? We've got a few questions but we're worried about writing to many if we'll have to go back and change them later.

Laird has limited internet access due to, I am sure, searching assiduously for a job, so I will respond.

Tossups should be 4-6 lines. Less important than a particular length, though, is that they be very pyramidal and accessible. It doesn't really matter whether you say "For 10 points" or not; we might edit it out if you put it in or put it in if you leave it out, but don't worry about it.

The bonuses are IHSA style. (Sorry.) They should be all four-part, though, because the scoring of three- and five-part bonuses is inherently unfair. You can say "For 5 points each:" after the intro, if you like; I did in all my IHSA questions this year.

Feel free to post again or email me (or Laird, Brad, or Kristin) if you have any more questions.

mlaird · Post by **mlaird** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:29 pm

jonah wrote:
Chametz wrote:Hey folks, a little bit of a change of subject here: My team has a few questions about writing for the turnabout. From what I understand, the questions should be 4-6 liners, and the distro is standard IHSA. In that Aegis guide Matt Laird posted it said we should avoid 3 part bonuses and saying FTP, but that's contrary to some other things I've heard. Could you clear this up for me? We've got a few questions but we're worried about writing to many if we'll have to go back and change them later.
Laird has limited internet access due to, I am sure, searching assiduously for a job, so I will respond.

Tossups should be 4-6 lines. Less important than a particular length, though, is that they be very pyramidal and accessible. It doesn't really matter whether you say "For 10 points" or not; we might edit it out if you put it in or put it in if you leave it out, but don't worry about it.

The bonuses are IHSA style. (Sorry.) They should be all four-part, though, because the scoring of three- and five-part bonuses is inherently unfair. You can say "For 5 points each:" after the intro, if you like; I did in all my IHSA questions this year.

Feel free to post again or email me (or Laird, Brad, or Kristin) if you have any more questions.

What Jonah said. You probably are confused re: 3 and 4 part bonuses due to there being two different types of bonuses that you have been hearing. The turnabouts are running normal IHSA format (like what your conference does, but with better quesitons) as opposed to the superior ACF format, which is what you've been playing at tournaments like Ultima, Earlybird and UIUC Novice. If you have any problems or want to run some questions by any of us, feel free to send an email.

JackGlerum · Post by **JackGlerum** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:30 pm

Don't listen to these conformist chumps Ben, stick it to the man and write 11-line tossups on the art of Kyrgyzstan.

David Riley · Post by **David Riley** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:22 pm

Or. . .

Monk · Post by **Monk** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:26 am

Can you mention what sort of question distribution we should aim for?

abnormal abdomen · Post by **abnormal abdomen** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:49 pm

Monk wrote:Can you mention what sort of question distribution we should aim for?

I'm pretty sure Mr. Laird or Jonah would be able to answer this a bit better, but Lloyd and I contributed to writing for the Turnabout set. We were told to refer to the Aegis guide:

http://www.aegisquestions.com/handbook.pdf

jonah · Post by **jonah** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:09 pm

Monk wrote:Can you mention what sort of question distribution we should aim for?

A guide specific for Turnabout is here. The distribution is basically the IHSA distribution scaled down to 20/20, and can be found on page 2 of that document. (I would like to make it clear that this distribution was not our choice and is against the preferences of all four editors, but it was either that or the same thing but with nonpyramidal questions from a lousy vendor.)

Stained Diviner · Post by **Stained Diviner** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:35 pm

If anybody has written anything for Turnabout that has not already been sent to Laird, send it to him now. If you have solid plans of writing questions in the near future, contact Laird now. We are in danger of not getting enough questions and having to look for alternatives.

abnormal abdomen · Post by **abnormal abdomen** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:29 pm

Shcool wrote:If anybody has written anything for Turnabout that has not already been sent to Laird, send it to him now. If you have solid plans of writing questions in the near future, contact Laird now. We are in danger of not getting enough questions and having to look for alternatives.

Lloyd and I have had our questions done for quite a while now, but a lack of communication on our part with Jeff/Dan-Don (we're collaborating with them in creating two packets. We split up some categories) as well as Jeff being understandably busy with school and Trashtastrophe has been the reason that we haven't submitted the questions to Laird. I'll try to contact Jeff ASAP in order to get stuff together.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:23 am

So I don't know if everyone heard the news, but as a result of Earlybird I qualified for NSC playing solo as a Hobo (not as Saint Viator, of course). So PACE and my parents are very close to letting me go, but I don't know how much of a discount I'm getting. Profits from Trashtastrophe are going to the Send-Dan-Don-to-NSC fund, but I need even more money. So, here's my thought. How much interest would there be if I wrote a small literature singles event to be played as a side event somewhere. 5 rounds (tops) of 20 tossups (no bonuses)....in other words, much faster and more manageable than Trashtastrophe . Anyone wanna play this? Anyone wanna host this? Let me know what you think...

Boeing X-20, Please! · Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:25 am

Dan-Don wrote:small literature singles event

Quick, let's do this while Lloyd's in Paris.

jonah · Post by **jonah** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:28 am

2009 New Trier Varsity: now with side events?

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:29 am

MoCity02 wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:small literature singles event
Quick, let's do this while Lloyd's in Paris.

Oooo...how angry do you think he'd be? Especially if I guaranteed a Jane Austen work in every round.

abnormal abdomen · Post by **abnormal abdomen** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:07 am

MoCity02 wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:small literature singles event
Quick, let's do this while Lloyd's in Paris.

Dan, that idea sounds fantastic. I'd be willing to play in it, even if Lloyd was around.