No sentence beginning that way in Illinois has ever been fulfilled. Especially not ones that continueJane Fairfax wrote:Coaches should
Sorry.Jane Fairfax wrote:have enough sense
No sentence beginning that way in Illinois has ever been fulfilled. Especially not ones that continueJane Fairfax wrote:Coaches should
Sorry.Jane Fairfax wrote:have enough sense
I was just going to ask you, actually. I will put you down for reading. Thank you so much!Bonito wrote:I would be thrilled to get out to Arlington Heights to come read, if you need it.
Greg should without question be blacklisted. He was our leading scorer at New Trier last year and he had the widest knowledge base on our team. When we were reading through HAVOC packets, he was putting up 20-25 PPB on his own. He will be better by the start of next year.Dan-Don wrote:I don't know these two, are they really on the same level of all the people on the blacklist in that they'd make short work of a Novice set? If they are, I guess I'll add them.BGSO wrote:Black list Greg Ward and Sarah Peluse from us, Sarah played varsity all year and and Greg put up 15 at HSNCT and has picked up basically everything we've given him so far.
My problem with this is that you are assuming that coaches understand the idea of a Novice Tournament. IMHO, this is wishful thinking. Most coaches in the NW Suburbs (the area right around Viator) have never played good quizbowl. I know that almost all of the MSL is content with Bryce Avery. These schools are often under the impression that they are very good because they went 7-3 in our conference. If you market this as a novice tournament, you may encourage these coaches to not bring their best players, when in actuality this is the perfect set to introduce these players to good quizbowl. It is true that the Greenes and Rileys of the world know who should be playing. However, the NW Suburbs are full of great schools without active teams. If you think that the coaches of these schools know who belongs in a novice tournament, you are sadly mistaken.Zahed´s System
I can amend this statement, if you guys have any suggestions. I might take out the "frosh/players, players with moderate-to-no Varsity experience" part and just leave it at "players without the potential to be named to the All-State team."Septemberist Invitation wrote: This tournament is, first and foremost, a novice tournament. This means that it is intended for frosh/soph players, players with moderate-to-no Varsity experience, and players without the potential to be named to the All-State team. Essentially this means that almost every player in Illinois can come to this tournament, just not any "superstars." We are trusting coaches to decide which of their players fit inside these parameters and which don’t. We reserve the right to blacklist any player that we do not feel is a true “novice.”
What's not to understand? If you're a freshman or sophomore, OK. If you're an upperclassman who has little (if any) experience, OK. This metric is miles better than the convoluted crap involving banning certain players.Shcool wrote:I agree with Nicholas. Zahed's system seemed pretty confusing to me--I wasn't really sure who on my team it applied to. I think you want to list somewhere around 10-20 of the best returning players and add a note saying that if anybody on your team is one a similar level as these players, then they should not play.
As Glerum said earlier, there are not too many returning players in Illinois who would be bored by this tournament because they would be buzzing in real early on most of the tossups and sweeping most of the bonuses.
Also, keep in mind that the early date of this tournament will prevent it from attracting many of the teams it should attract. New tournaments with good questions have trouble attracting 20 teams on any date of the year, and putting it in September lowers that expectation. It's great that this tournament is happening, but let's not pretend that it is going to solve our largest problems.
It's really not a matter of that anymore...Christian Carter told me to go with Zahed's system. I'm just wondering if my invitation sounds good.dtaylor4 wrote:Dan: I would do exactly the opposite.
I meant in terms of the wording in the invitation.Dan-Don wrote:It's really not a matter of that anymore...Christian Carter told me to go with Zahed's system. I'm just wondering if my invitation sounds good.dtaylor4 wrote:Dan: I would do exactly the opposite.
You mean with respect to that change in phrasing I was discussing? In other words you feel it should read:dtaylor4 wrote:I meant in terms of the wording in the invitation.
Septemberist Invite wrote:This means that it is intended for frosh/soph players and players with moderate-to-no Varsity A-Team experience.
Dan-Don wrote:You mean with respect to that change in phrasing I was discussing? In other words you feel it should read:dtaylor4 wrote:I meant in terms of the wording in the invitation.
Septemberist Invite wrote:This means that it is intended for frosh/soph players and players with moderate-to-no Varsity A-Team experience.
What it should read wrote:This means that it is intended for frosh/soph players and players with no Varsity A-Team experience.
Hmm..I'm a little nervous about qualifying it with "no Varsity A-Team experience." Since we don't usually field B and C teams (and the same is true for other "bad" local teams that might be interested), every one of our players has played a few questions on Varsity A.dtaylor4 wrote:What it should read wrote:This means that it is intended for frosh/soph players and players with no Varsity A-Team experience.
Now that makes sense, but I'm afraid it might scare away potential tournament-goers. Now Dwight, I like your wording a lot and here's why: We have a lot of neighboring public schools who I'm sure would be interested in this tournament only because of its proximity. Take Hersey High School, for example. This is a local public school, and I happen to know that one of their players might coax their coach intro bringing them. Now, they played a freshman named Georg on their Varsity A-Team all year long because, to them, he was a superstar. Having played him, I can safely say there is no reason for Georg to be blacklisted. But, with the wording of Dwight's invitation, he wouldn't be blacklisted because Hersey (and the rest of our local public schools) really only plays the MSL (Bryce Avery questions), Fremd Varsity (Question Bank), and IHSA. So, Dwight's wording works because these tourneys don't use pyramidal questions.Donald's Septemberist Invite wrote:This tournament is, first and foremost, a novice, or “Junior Varsity,” tournament. This means that it is intended for frosh/soph players and players with no meaningful Varsity A-Team experience. We are trusting coaches to decide which of their players fit these parameters and which don’t. The Tournament Director has the right to eject any individual player whose presence is deemed to violate the spirit of these eligibility rules. Such decisions are to be made solely by the tournament director and are not protestable.
That is true: perhaps you could say something like, "players who competed on the varsity A team at two or more of the following tournaments are ineligible:Dan-Don wrote:Now that makes sense, but I'm afraid it might scare away potential tournament-goers. Now Dwight, I like your wording a lot and here's why: We have a lot of neighboring public schools who I'm sure would be interested in this tournament only because of its proximity...Hersey (and the rest of our local public schools) really only plays the MSL (Bryce Avery questions), Fremd Varsity (Question Bank), and IHSA. Now...technically, all those tournaments are pyramidal questions, just not good ones. So I'd probably have to include a list of "good tournaments."