VHSL Results

mndovrmtr · Post by **mndovrmtr** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:13 pm

Hey. New to this site but it looks cool. Does anyone know the district results for the Region A District? We're a bit cut off from the rest of the world so we don't get much news.

Matt Weiner · Post by **Matt Weiner** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:16 pm

From Virginia, right?

at your pleasure · Post by **at your pleasure** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:37 pm

Such information, if it is on this website will probably be in the relevant regional comparison thread.

STPickrell · Post by **STPickrell** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:42 pm

Nandua is in the Shore District of the VHSL's Region A.

King & Queen defeated West Point 200-180 to win the Tidewater
I have the results for the Northern Neck @ home.
No idea about the Tri-Rivers. The only team to advance to states from the Tri-Rivers was Windsor back in 2005.

sageorator · Post by **sageorator** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:48 pm

This thread will probably be moved shortly. Anyway, as long as it's started, I'm curious as to Group AA results. That is, besides the previously posted Battlefield Disctict.

pretzeldude92 · Post by **pretzeldude92** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:02 pm

Does this mean that Nandua advanced to regionals? And I'm just as curious to find out the results from Shenandoah, James River, and Dogwood, if they are available.

mithokie · Post by **mithokie** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:07 pm

The Three Rivers District Scholastic Bowl Tournament was held Wed. Jan. 21, 2009 at Auburn High School. The results are as follows:

Round 1:
Auburn d. Eastern Montgomery 210-175
Radford d. Floyd County 295-95
Round 2:
Auburn d. Floyd County 210-150
Radford d. Eastern Montgomery 350-105
Round 3:
Eastern Montgomery d. Floyd County 230-140
Radford d. Auburn 210-205 (on the last question after Radford scored -5 on the last question and Auburn was unable to convert to win).

Final Standings (W-L)
1. Radford (3-0)
2. Auburn (2-1)
3. Eastern Montgomery (1-2)
4. Floyd County (0-3)

Radford and Auburn both advance to the Region C tournament at Parry McCluer HS on Sat. 1/31/09

mndovrmtr · Post by **mndovrmtr** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:22 pm

Yeah, Nandua is going to Regionals once again. I'm pretty sure Rappahannock and Washington & Lee are tied for first in Northern Neck. Nobody seems to have heard from Tri-Rivers though. Do all of their schools post teams?

STPickrell · Post by **STPickrell** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:20 pm

mndovrmtr wrote:Yeah, Nandua is going to Regionals once again. I'm pretty sure Rappahannock and Washington & Lee are tied for first in Northern Neck. Nobody seems to have heard from Tri-Rivers though. Do all of their schools post teams?

As far as I know, all five of the Tri-Rivers schools have teams. Windsor and Franklin have usually gone to Regionals.

pretzeldude92 · Post by **pretzeldude92** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:37 pm

Well, apparently the Region B tournament matchups are:

BR1 Rappahannock Co. vs. S2 Luray
JR1 Central-Lunenburg vs. D2 Altavista
S1 Wilson Memorial vs. BR2 George Mason
D1 Appomattox Co. vs. JR2 Randolph-Henry

intothenegs · Post by **intothenegs** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:47 pm

Mr. Pickrell, do you have results from the rest of Group AA Region I?

kamikaze · Post by **kamikaze** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:21 pm

River Ridge District (AA) Results
January 22nd at Cave Spring High School

Round 1
1 Blacksburg BYE
2 Cave Spring BYE
3 Salem 240 v. 6 Pulaski 160
4 Hidden Valley 145 v. 5 Christiansburg 245

Round 2
Blacksburg 270 v. Christiansburg 135
Cave Spring 300 v. Salem 135

Round 3
Christiansburg 210 v. Pulaski 160 (eliminated)
Salem 260 v. Hidden Valley 105 (eliminated)

Round 4
Blacksburg 185 v. Cave Spring 250
Salem 215 v. Christiansburg 205 (eliminated)

Round 5
Salem 260 v. Blacksburg 155 (eliminated)

Round 6
Cave Spring 325 v. Salem 130 (eliminated)

There were a lot of great matches and awesome players at the tournament today. The initial seedings for the 4th through 6th places were determined by a coin toss since those three schools were in a circle of death in the district. Some of the great matches of the day were the close win in Round 4 by Salem over Christiansburg. Salem was ahead going into the 3rd round by like 60 some odd points but negged five times to allow Christiansburg to catch up. Christiansburg almost pulled it out but just fell a little bit short.

Salem also upset Blacksburg in the loser's bracket as Carl just went on a tear and like powered several questions in the tossup rounds. It was absolutely unreal.

Anyhoo, the top three teams will advance to the Region IV tournament next Saturday at Cedar Bluff, VA: Cave Spring, Salem and Blacksburg. Thanks to those teams that tolerated the tournament being on a Thursday and hopefully, everyone had a good time.

mithokie · Post by **mithokie** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:52 am

http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/192060

The link is to an article about the TRD scholastic bowl tournament.

Madoc · Post by **Madoc** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:35 am

Single-A Black Diamond District Results:

Seeding pre-tourney:
1. Honaker
2. Twin Valley
3. Hurley
4. Haysi
5. Council

Tournament Summary:
R1:
Haysi defeats Council, 210-50
Twin Valley defeats Hurley, 170-145
Honaker bye

R2:
Honaker defeats Haysi, 335-70
Hurley defeats Council, 120-110 (Council eliminated)
Twin Valley bye

R3:
Honaker defeats Twin Valley, 255-170
Hurley defeats Haysi, 180-105 (Haysi eliminated)

R4:
Twin Valley defeats Hurley, 215-130 (Hurley eliminated)

Finals:
Honaker defeats Twin Valley, 230-160 (Twin Valley eliminated, Honaker champs)

Honaker and Twin Valley advance to the Region D tournament, set for January 31st, 2009.

kamikaze · Post by **kamikaze** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:44 pm

Region IV Tournament
Southwest Virginia Community College
January 31st

Round 1
Tazwell v. Blacksburg
Bassett 180 v. Salem 190
Tunstall v. Graham
Cave Spring 335 v. Richlands 70

Round 2
Blacksburg v. Salem
Tunstall 100 v. Cave Spring 310
Bassett v. Tazewell (eliminated)
Graham v. Richlands (eliminated)

Round 3
Salem 260 v. Cave Spring 140
Bassett v. Tunstall (eliminated)
Blacksburg v. Graham (eliminated)

Round 4
Bassett 270 v. Blacksburg 140 (eliminated)

Round 5
Cave Spring 255 v. Bassett 145 (eliminated)

Round 6
Salem 205 v. Cave Spring 105 (eliminated)

Hats off to Salem! They came out gunning against us and we just looked totally lethargic. Anyway, kudos to their squad as they kept us to a record low and they are definitely someone to watch out for at States. Overall, it went smoothly, the questions were OK, but the moderators and the crazy rules were a little unnerving for moi. Anyway, Salem and Cave Spring advance to VHSL States later this year.

pretzeldude92 · Post by **pretzeldude92** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:43 pm

Region B Results:
1. Rappahannock Co.
2. George Mason
3. Altavista
4. Central-Lunenburg
T5. Appomattox and Randolph-Henry
T7. Luray and Wilson Memorial

Round 1:
Rappahannock Co. 245 (110/80/55), Luray 140 (20/70/50)
Altavista 160 (30/60/70), Central 145 (55/50/40)
George Mason 200 (95/50/55), Wilson Memorial 115 (5/80/30)
Randolph-Henry 210 (70/70/70), Appomattox 165 (45/70/50)

Round 2:
Rappahannock Co. 370 (120/130/120), Altavista 75 (20/40/15)
George Mason 305 (110/110/85), Randolph-Henry 115 (20/50/45)
Central 165 (90/50/25), Luray 160 (45/60/55) ELIMINATED
Appomattox 210 (90/70/50), Wilson Memorial 120 (40/50/30) ELIMINATED

Round 3:
Rappahannock Co. 275 (95/100/80), George Mason 175 (45/70/60)
Central 195 (25/80/90), Randolph-Henry 155 (80/60/15) ELIMINATED
Altavista 175 (30/80/65), Appomatttox 150 (70/40/40) ELIMINATED

Round 4:
Altavista 170 (55/50/65), Central 140 (10/70/60) ELIMINATED

Round 5:
George Mason 265 (95/80/90), Altavista 160 (30/90/40) ELIMINATED

Round 6:
Rappahannock Co. 215 (70/80/65), George Mason 175 (60/60/55) ELIMINATED

Rappahannock Co. snapped George Mason's 4 time winning streak. We both advance to states.

And I have now played George Mason 29 times in my life.

Madoc · Post by **Madoc** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:45 pm

Results from Region D at Twin Springs High School:

Twin Springs v. Twin Valley, 190-170
Lee High v. Thomas Walker, 170-150
Lebanon bye
Honaker bye

Lebanon v. Twin Valley, 215-130
Honaker v. Lee, 240-130

Twin Valley v. Thomas Walker, 175-150 Thomas Walker Eliminated
Lee High v. Twin Springs, 210-145 Twin Springs Eliminated

Lebanon v. Honaker, 225-155
Lee High v. Twin Valley, 225-130 Twin Valley Eliminated

Honaker v. Lee High, 235-90 Lee High Eliminated

Finals:
Honaker v. Lebanon, 205-120 Honaker Stays Alive
Rematch: Honaker v. Lebanon, 190-170 Lebanon High Eliminated

Avg. Team Totals:
Twin Springs: 157.5 ppg
Twin Valley: 156.25 ppg
Lee High: 165 ppg
Thomas Walker: 150 ppg
Lebanon: 182.5 ppg
Honaker: 205 ppg

And so, Honaker and Lebanon advance to the State Tournament. That last match was hectic: it was back and forth the entire match, and the lead switched about 5 times during the final round of the night. Thankfully, I secured the defining answer of question 14, sealing the coffin for Lebanon.

mithokie · Post by **mithokie** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:51 am

Region C Tournament
Saturday January 31, 2009
Parry McCluer HS
Buena Vista, VA

Round 1
Higland Co. BYE
Auburn defeated George Wythe by Forfeit (George Wythe never showed up... we don't know why)
Radford BYE
James River defeated Patrick Henry

Round 2
Auburn defeated Highland Co. 240-105
Radford defeated James River 305-50 (I think)

Round 3
James River defeated George Wythe by Forfeit
Patrick Henry defeated Highland Co.

George Wythe (6th place) and Highland Co. (5th place) eliminated

Round 4
Auburn defeated Radford 170-160
Patrick Henry defeated James River

James River eliminated (4th place)

Round 5
Radford defeated Patrick Henry

Patrick Henry eliminated (3rd place)

Round 6
Radford defeated Auburn 190-135

Round 7
Radford defeated Auburn 275-110

Auburn eliminated (2nd Place)
Radford 1st Place

Radford and Auburn will advance to A State again. Congratulations to Radford for their umpteenth Region C championship.

I will echo Bob about the crazy rules... (mainly what I feel were the misinterpretation of rules that aren't that crazy by a tournament director that only does VHSL and has never been to any other competition... particularly regarding prompting, she thought a prompt should only be given when the packet specifically said prompt. She did not allow her quizmasters to prompt on partially correct answers). We had a warning for not being recognized on the first toss-up and -5 on the second toss-up (after the moderator stared directly at our player before reading the name tag in front of the player). There seemed to be a lot of repeats in the last few rounds with clues in earlier questions being answers in later questions. There was at least one math question with a completely wrong answer in round 7.

mithokie · Post by **mithokie** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:05 am

Since we have results from all of the 4 A regions, here is the A bracket for 2/28

1st round brackets for VHSL A State

Nandua vs. Lebannon
Rappahannock Co. vs. Auburn
Radford vs. West Point
Honaker vs. George Mason

pretzeldude92 · Post by **pretzeldude92** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:11 am

About crazy rules, we didn't have a problem with them in the postseason, because districts were at Clarke (who has held the tournament 4 straight years) and regionals were at Mason (where quizbowl is synonymous with success). In the past, though, we've had horrible decisions made. The most unenforced rule, in my opinion, is answering after time expires during the directed round. It irks both my coach and me. I think it should be a requirement that all officials receive some training by some process (ambiguity here on purpose) before they are permitted to officiate.

For what it's worth, as the AA and AAA results come pouring in:

James Monroe vs. Cave Spring
Charlottesville (per VHSL) vs. Spotswood
Heritage-Lynchburg vs. York
Salem vs. Western Albemarle (per VHSL)

MLWGS vs. E.C. Glass (per VHSL)
Ocean Lakes (per VHSL) vs. Robinson
TJHSST vs. Henrico
Fauquier (per VHSL) vs. Hickory (per VHSL)

mndovrmtr · Post by **mndovrmtr** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:44 am

Ok so to round out the Single A results, here's the results from the Region A tournament at Colonial Beach High School on the 31st.

Round 1
Nandua v Franklin, 270 - 110
King & Queen v Washington & Lee, 265 - 105
Northumberland v West Point, 130 - 210
Windsor v Northampton, 220 - 110

Round 2
Nandua v King & Queen, 265 - 175
West Point v Windsor, 185 - 145
Franklin v Washington & Lee, 100 - 240 (Franklin eliminated)
Northumberland v Northampton, 140 - 175 (Northumberland eliminated)

Round 3
Nandua v West Point, 240 - 180 (Nandua advances to finals)
Windsor v Washington & Lee, 155 - 150 (Washington & Lee eliminated)
King & Queen v Northampton, 150 - 160 (King & Queen eliminated)

Round 4
Windsor v Northampton, 190 - 185 (Northampton eliminated)

Round 5
West Point v Windsor, 265 - 95 (Windsor eliminated)

Finals
Nandua v West Point, 200 - 190 (West Point eliminated)

Many of the games yesterday were highly nerve wracking, and very close. However in the end Nandua remained undefeated fro the season still and they and West Point High will continue on to states.

Madoc · Post by **Madoc** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:10 pm

So, now that the results are in, here's a rough draft of what we're looking at for the Single-A State Tourney:

Hopefully I got that right.

Robbie Ram · Post by **Robbie Ram** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:56 pm

Here are the Northern Region (AAA) Concorde District tournament results from 1/31/09 at Edison HS in Alexandria, VA:

Round 1:
J. W. Robinson 275, Fairfax 150
Herndon 200, Westfield 190
Oakton W, Centreville L (forfeit)
Chantilly — bye

Round 2:
Westfield W, Centreville L (forfeit)
J. W. Robinson 315, Herndon 120
Fairfax 245, Chantilly 185
Oakton — bye

Round 3:
Fairfax 220, Oakton 195
Chantilly 190, Herndon 180
J. W. Robinson 315, Westfield 125
Centreville — bye

Round 4:
Chantilly 185, Westfield 175
J. W. Robinson W, Centreville L (forfeit)
Oakton 250, Herndon 180
Fairfax — bye

Round 5:
Fairfax W, Centreville L (forfeit)
J. W. Robinson 300, Chantilly 105
Oakton 235, Westfield 135
Herndon — bye

Round 6:
J. W. Robinson 285, Oakton 170
Fairfax 265, Herndon 145
Chantilly W, Centreville L (forfeit)
Westfield — bye

Round 7:
Herndon W, Centreville L (forfeit)
Oakton 230, Chantilly 175
Fairfax 255 , Westfield 130
J. W. Robinson — bye

Final results:
1. J. W. Robinson (6-0) — Concorde District champion*
2. Fairfax (5-1) — Concorde District runner-up*
3. Oakton (4-2)
4. Chantilly (3-3)
5. Herndon (2-4)
6. Westfield (1-5)
7. Centreville (0-6)

*advanced to the Northern Region (AAA) Championship playoffs

Robbie Ram · Post by **Robbie Ram** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:27 pm

Here are the Northern Region (AAA) Liberty District tournament results from 1/31/09 at Edison HS in Alexandria, VA:

Round 1:
Thomas Jefferson 290, W. T. Woodson 110
Langley 225, Stonebridge 145
South Lakes 265, Marshall 115
McLean — bye

Round 2:
W. T. Woodson 255, South Lakes 155
Thomas Jefferson 240, McLean 215
Stonebridge 285, Marshall 100
Langley — bye

Round 3:
Thomas Jefferson 215, Langley 210
South Lakes 125, Stonebridge 180
McLean 220, W. T. Woodson 175
Marshall — bye

Round 4:
McLean 210, South Lakes 185
W. T. Woodson 215, Langley 190
Thomas Jefferson 275, Marshall 165
Stonebridge — bye

Round 5:
Thomas Jefferson 205, Stonebridge 170
W. T. Woodson 200, Marshall 145
Langley 210, McLean 190
South Lakes — bye

Round 6:
Langley 285, South Lakes 165
McLean 230, Marshall 140
W. T. Woodson 265, Stonebridge 145
Thomas Jefferson — bye

Round 7:
Thomas Jefferson 250, South Lakes 160
Langley 235, Marshall 135
McLean 260, Stonebridge 180
W. T. Woodson — bye

Final results:
1. Thomas Jefferson (6-0) — Liberty District champion*
2. Langley (4-2) — Liberty District runner-up*
3. W. T. Woodson (4-2)
4. McLean (4-2)
5. Stonebridge (2-4)
6. South Lakes (1-5)
7. Marshall (0-6)

*advanced to the Northern Region (AAA) Championship playoffs

Golran · Post by **Golran** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:38 pm

Just curious, what was the tiebreaker for Woodson and Langley?

Whiter Hydra · Post by **Whiter Hydra** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:47 pm

For those that were wondering: That was our B-team at VHSL Regionals.

Robbie Ram · Post by **Robbie Ram** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:03 pm

Here are the Northern Region (AAA) National District tournament results from 1/31/09 at Edison HS in Alexandria, VA:

Round 1:
Washington-Lee 210, J.E.B. Stuart 120
Mount Vernon 300, Falls Church 125
Edison 205, Wakefield 120
Yorktown — bye

Round 2:
Edison 165, Falls Church 160
Yorktown 200, J.E.B. Stuart 170
Washington-Lee 185, Wakefield 130
Mount Vernon — bye

Round 3:
Falls Church 290, Wakefield 30
Yorktown 190, Edison 160
Mount Vernon 230, Washington-Lee 195
J.E.B. Stuart — bye

Round 4:
Washington-Lee 190, Edison 185
Mount Vernon 270, Yorktown 140
Falls Church 205, J.E.B. Stuart 185
Wakefield — bye

Round 5:
Yorktown 310, Wakefield 75
Mount Vernon 220, J.E.B. Stuart 150
Washington-Lee 195, Falls Church 165
Edison — bye

Round 6:
Mount Vernon 205, Edison 160
Wakefield 140, J.E.B. Stuart 115
Yorktown 225, Washington-Lee 185
Falls Church — bye

Round 7:
Falls Church 70, Yorktown 50
Edison 200, J.E.B. Stuart 190
Mount Vernon 90, Wakefield 30
Washington-Lee — bye

Final results:
1. Mount Vernon (6-0) — National District champion*
2. Washington-Lee (4-2) — National District runner-up*
3. Yorktown (4-2)
4. Edison (3-3)
5. Falls Church (3-3)
6. Wakefield (1-5)
7. J.E.B. Stuart (0-6)

*advanced to the Northern Region (AAA) Championship playoffs

Robbie Ram · Post by **Robbie Ram** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:04 pm

dinoian wrote:Just curious, what was the tiebreaker for Woodson and Langley?

Total points scored

Robbie Ram · Post by **Robbie Ram** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:07 pm

hwhite wrote:For those that were wondering: That was our B-team at VHSL Regionals.

Yep... TJ's "A" team was doing Model UN stuff at UPenn... the "B" team had some close calls but still came out undefeated. Pretty impressive (if not terribly surprising). Bodes well for TJ for next year I guess!

BTW, Langley's team was also mostly their "B" team— their seniors were doing the "It's Academic" TV show.

Robbie Ram · Post by **Robbie Ram** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:22 pm

Northern Region (AAA) Patriot District tournament results TBA... I am still missing a couple of scores from their round 7. However, West Springfield went 7-0 and was the Patriot District champion, and South County was 2nd in the district.

Robbie Ram · Post by **Robbie Ram** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:29 am

Here are the [not yet complete] Northern Region (AAA) Patriot District tournament results from 1/31/09 at Edison HS in Alexandria, VA:

Round 1:
West Springfield 305, Lee 45
Lake Braddock 210, TC Williams 155
Hayfield 210, West Potomac 160
Annandale 125, South County 250

Round 2:
West Springfield 305, West Potomac 105
Hayfield 300, TC Williams 75
South County 300, Lee 85
Lake Braddock 295, Annandale 115

Round 3:
Hayfield 215, Annandale 115
Lake Braddock 225, Lee 105
West Potomac 145, TC Williams 185
West Springfield 240, South County 165

Round 4:
West Springfield 265, TC Williams 165
West Potomac 215, Annandale 115
Lake Braddock 190, South County 220
Hayfield 190, Lee 140

Round 5:
TC Williams 215, Annandale 165
West Springfield 250, Lake Braddock 190
West Potomac 210, Lee 95
Hayfield 145, South County 230

Round 6:
West Potomac 145, South County 225
West Springfield 315, Annandale 50
Hayfield 230, Lake Braddock 180
TC Williams 195, Lee 105

Round 7:
West Potomac 60, Lake Braddock 55
South County W, TC Williams L (score unknown... sorry!)
West Springfield 250, Hayfield 140
Annandale W, Lee L (score unknown... sorry!)

Final results:
1. West Springfield (7-0) — Patriot District champion*
2. South County (6-1) — Patriot District runner-up*
3. Hayfield (5-2)
T6.** TC Williams (3-4)
T6.** Lake Braddock (3-4)
T6.** West Potomac (3-4)
7. Annandale (1-6)
8 Lee (0-7)

*Advanced to the Northern Region (AAA) Championship playoffs
[edit:] ** Exact final ranking unknown due to missing round 7 scores. Can anyone help "fill in the blanks" with the missing round 7 scores?

Robbie Ram · Post by **Robbie Ram** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:51 am

Below are the VHSL Northern Region (AAA) Championship results. (This was an 8-team seeded double-elimination tournament.)

NOTE: I don't yet have scores for any matches except those in which my team was involved (sorry)... [edit:] I'm hoping Mr. Pickrell can fill in the missing info for me, and then I'll update it here ASAP.

Round 1:
West Springfield W, Washington-Lee L
Langley 255, J.W. Robinson 135
Thomas Jefferson W, Fairfax L
Mount Vernon W, South County L

Round 2:
Langley W, West Springfield L
Thomas Jefferson W, Mount Vernon L
J.W. Robinson 260, Washington-Lee 150 [eliminated]
Fairfax W, South County L [eliminated]

Round 3:
Thomas Jefferson W, Langley L
J.W. Robinson 245, Mount Vernon 165 [eliminated]
Fairfax W, West Springfield L [eliminated]

4th place match:
J.W. Robinson 225, Fairfax 155 [eliminated]

3rd place match:
J.W. Robinson 200, Langley 145 [eliminated]

Championship match (advantaged):
Thomas Jefferson 190, J.W. Robinson 170

Final standings:
1. Thomas Jefferson (4-0) — Northern Region Champion*
2. J.W. Robinson (4-2) — Northern Region Runner-up*
3. Langley (2-2)
4. Fairfax (2-2)
T6. Mount Vernon (1-2)
T6. West Springfield (1-2)
T8. South County (0-2)
T8. Washington-Lee (0-2)

*advanced to the AAA state championship tournament

pretzeldude92 · Post by **pretzeldude92** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:53 am

Taken from Heritage High - Lynchburg's website:

"Congratulations to the ACE (Academic Competition for Excellence) team! They defeated Rockbridge, Allegheny and Spotswood (twice) to win the Region III championship. They go on to William & Mary on February 28th to compete in the state competition."

So Heritage won Region III and Spotswood was the runnerup, I guess.

bvkaraus · Post by **bvkaraus** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:05 pm

pretzeldude92 wrote:So Heritage won Region III and Spotswood was the runnerup, I guess.

That is correct.

intothenegs · Post by **intothenegs** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:33 am

The AA Region I Tournament was today. I don't have scores or even results for many of the matches, but the top 3 teams were:

1. James Monroe
2. York
3. Grafton

James Monroe and York will both advance to AA States. I'll try and update this as soon as I can get my hands on those scores from today. Question quality wasn't really that great for the most part; would it be possible for there to be some sort of VHSL set discussion thread at the end of the season, or are these questions being reused after that?

What I have so far (incomplete):

Round 1
James Monroe 295 Grafton 130
New Kent defeats Nottoway
King George defeats Park View
York defeats Powhatan

Round 2
James Monroe 310 New Kent 140
York defeats King George

Round 3
James Monroe 345 York 125
Grafton defeats King George

Round 4
Grafton defeats New Kent

Round 5
York defeats Grafton

Round 6
James Monroe 210 York 170

STPickrell · Post by **STPickrell** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:52 am

No, I do not plan on re-using them. On the other hand, if HSAPQ gets to write the questions, criticism of my writing will become moot.

Robbie Ram · Post by **Robbie Ram** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:59 pm

Robbie Ram wrote:Here are the [not yet complete] Northern Region (AAA) Patriot District tournament results from 1/31/09 at Edison HS in Alexandria, VA:

[...clipped for brevity...]

Round 7:
West Potomac 60, Lake Braddock 55
TC Williams ???, South County ??? (result & score TBA)
West Springfield 250, Hayfield 140
Annandale ???, Lee ??? (result & score TBA)

Final results:
1. West Springfield (7-0) — Patriot District champion*
2. South County (5-1 through round 6) — Patriot District runner-up*
3. Hayfield (5-2)
** TC Williams (3-3 through round 6)
** Lake Braddock (3-4)
** West Potomac (3-4)
** Annandale (0-6 through round 6)
** Lee (0-6 through round 6)

*Advanced to the Northern Region (AAA) Championship playoffs
** Final ranking unknown due to missing round 6 scores. [edit:] I expected to have these results this week, but no luck so far. Can anyone help "fill in the blanks"?

Mr. Pickrell, do you have those round 7 Patriot District AAA scores (and/or the missing Northern region playoff scores) so I can update / correct / complete my above post(s)? Thanks!

Madoc · Post by **Madoc** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:02 pm

I also have a comment about the question quality. I thought, for the most part, that the questions were good, but there's been an increase in trash, which seemed to be our cause of loss in the first match against Lebanon. All that extra trash doesn't prove the better quizbowl team, it actually seems to show which team is composed of people who watch television constantly. That, and there was a ridiculous 30 second computation question involving the mode of a series of numbers.

Blackboard Monitor Vimes · Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:29 pm

I don't have full results for the Central Region, but the top three were:

1. Maggie Walker
2. Henrico
3. Freeman

Maggie Walker and Henrico will advance to States.

jbarnes112358 · Post by **jbarnes112358** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:03 pm

VHSL Central Region Scholastic Bowl (unofficial results)

Round Robin Tournament

Round 1

Douglas Freeman 210 – James River 135
Maggie Walker 295 - Clover Hill 125
Henrico 240 - Colonial Heights 190
Hanover 130 – Thomas Dale 120

Round 2

Maggie Walker 240 – Henrico 185
James River 120 – Thomas Dale 155
Clover Hill 250 – Hanover 100
Colonial Heights 125 – Douglas Freeman 260

Round 3

Thomas Dale 175 – Colonial Heights 155
Clover Hill 235 – James River 115
Douglas Freeman 170 – Maggie Walker 255
Henrico 270 – Hanover 105

Round 4

James River 150 – Hanover 205
Henrico 205 – Douglas Freeman 180
Maggie Walker 305 – Thomas Dale 110
Colonial Heights 165 – Clover Hill 195

Round 5

Douglas Freeman 205 – Clover Hill 140
Hanover 195 – Colonial Heights 140
Henrico 175 – Thomas Dale 135
James River 75 – Maggie Walker 330

Round 6

Clover Hill 175 – Thomas Dale 125
Maggie Walker 315 – Colonial Heights 100
Douglas Freeman 265 – Hanover 60
Henrico 275 – James River 120

Round 7

Maggie Walker 400 – Hanover 70
Clover Hill 160 – Henrico 250
Colonial Heights 215 – James River 125
Douglas Freeman 325 – Thomas Dale 75

STPickrell · Post by **STPickrell** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:52 am

complete brackets (region champ is listed first)

Group A
Nandua vs. Lebanon
Rappahannock County vs. Auburn
Radford vs. West Point
Honaker vs. George Mason

Group AA
James Monroe vs. Cave Spring
Charlottesville vs. Spotswood
Heritage-Lynchburg vs. York
Salem-Salem vs. Western Albemarle

Group AAA
Maggie Walker vs. E. C. Glass
Ocean Lakes vs. James Robinson
Thomas Jefferson S & T vs. Henrico
Fauquier vs. Hickory

AKKOLADE · Post by **AKKOLADE** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:59 am

Are those the state brackets?

Frater Taciturnus · Post by **Frater Taciturnus** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:22 pm

FredMorlan wrote:Are those the state brackets?

yes

Blackboard Monitor Vimes · Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:54 pm

What's the format of States this year? Since matches have been posted, I assume it's double-elim again (

), but I figured I'd ask to be sure.

mithokie · Post by **mithokie** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:19 pm

Yes, this year is double-elim again. There is a good chance that we move to round-robin at state next year (pending final approval by all of the folks that need to approve it).

Blackboard Monitor Vimes · Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:34 pm

AHS Eagles wrote:Yes, this year is double-elim again. There is a good chance that we move to round-robin at state next year (pending final approval by all of the folks that need to approve it).

I hope that gets approved. I always feel bad for teams who drive from really far away and then go home after two or three games...they have the staff and the space (and would have more staff if they realized that it takes 1-2 people to run a room, not 4-5), so I really don't understand why they wouldn't just let people play.

Matt Weiner · Post by **Matt Weiner** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:27 pm

AHS Eagles wrote:Yes, this year is double-elim again. There is a good chance that we move to round-robin at state next year (pending final approval by all of the folks that need to approve it).

I brought this up privately with Shawn, but I heard that there was some confusion within VHSL over what round-robin entails and why it is better, that I hope you and other coaches can help alleviate.

Moving to a format in which everyone plays 7 games, and then the tournament ends no matter what, is not particularly better than the current double-elimination system. While it will give everyone outside of the top 2 teams a more fair ranking within the state field, and let everyone play more games, it may make the determination of the champion less fair. This is an important concern in any tournament, and in a state championship tournament it is perhaps the overriding concern. The problem is that you need to play off ties. As has been established beyond all reasonable doubt on this board, head-to-head is the most unfair tiebreaker possible and should never be used. While PPG is superior, determining the state champion on a paper tiebreaker when two or more teams have the same record is exceedingly anticlimactic and may lead to undesirable incentives (such as a contending team running up the score on the #8 team in the field after their victory is clinched, because that matters as much as their score against team #2; or, more generally, rewarding something other than the basic goal of quizbowl games, which is to win games). You must have, at a minimum, 2 additional rounds produced and scheduled in order to play off ties for the #1 spot.

It is also increasingly becoming the standard practice to do weighted best-of-three finals when someone is only 1 game ahead of the rest of the standings. I do not view this as an absolute requirement for tournament fairness, but it would be nice. Since this means the final can take up to an additional 2 games on top of a tiebreaker that may last as long as 2 games in some mathematical possibilities, changing both things will add a total of 4 rounds to the tournament.

In summary: moving to a round-robin means that you must make sure the state tournament question set has at least 9 (and preferrably 11) rounds, and that the state tournament itself is prepared to run at least 9 (and preferrably 11) rounds. It cannot be done as a turnkey change with the current 7-round setup, so make sure people are voting for the right thing when this change is proposed. A round-robin followed by tiebreakers and, if possible, weighted finals is markedly superior to the current format and should be adopted if at all possible, but a round robin that must, by rule, end after round 7 regardless of what has happened in the games is not better and may in fact be worse.

Patriotic Spore · Post by **Patriotic Spore** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:52 pm

Just want to say good luck to everyone who'll be at States tomorrow!

(And we play TJ first? Great...)