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Collegiate Preseason Poll 2020-1

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The is the announcement for the preseason poll for collegiate teams (the extent to which it is actually "pre" season is debatable since some closed collegiate events have already happened but whatever). Please do not post ballots in this thread, but email them to [email protected] by the midnight between September 25 and September 26. Ballots should have twenty-five teams on them. You may vote for B, C, etc. teams but not high school teams.

The results of the collegiate postseason poll from last year are below:
#1: University of Chicago
#2: Columbia University
#3: University of Illinois
#4: University of California, Berkeley
#5: University of Maryland
#6: University of Virginia
#7: University of Chicago B
#8: Ohio State University
#9: Harvard University
#10: University of Florida
#11: University of Texas
#12: University of Minnesota
#13: Stanford University
#14: University of Cambridge
#15: Cornell University
#16 (tied): University of Oxford
#16 (tied): Yale University
#18: Washington University in St. Louis
#19 (tied): University of Toronto
#19 (tied): Columbia University B
#21: Georgia Institute of Technology
#22: McGill University
#23 (tied): Johns Hopkins University
#23 (tied): University of North Carolina
#25: University of Delaware

To aid in analysis, I have created a spreadsheet so teams can list their likely composition along with new and graduating players; I have included the ranked teams from last year already but feel free to add your own team or previously-unranked B,C,etc. teams.
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A reminder that the deadline for voting in this poll is one week away. I know that there was some discussion about rankings in the Discord earlier this week, but if people want to share their thoughts in this thread that may both be edifying and help more people solidify their thoughts for the poll.
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In an attempt to spark conversation (and maybe adjust based on my lack of information on teams), here is the draft of my ballot. Everything beyond the 13ish range was hard for me to rank due to missing rosters, and geographical isolation down in Florida.

1 Columbia
2 Stanford
3 Maryland
4 Berkeley
5 Harvard
6 OSU
7 Illinois
8 Chicago A
9 Virginia
10 Florida
11 Texas
12 Oxford
13 Cambridge
14 Cornell (Assuming Geoff comes back)
15 Yale (Assuming Stephen plays)
16 Johns Hopkins
17 Southampton (Evan Lynch?)
18 McGill (Derek So?)
19 Chicago B (no idea on team, but always good)
20 WUSTL
21 Georgia Tech
22 Minnesota
23 Penn State
24 UC Davis
25 Brown

Honorable mentions: Duke, Princeton, Penn, Rutgers
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A good discussion was had in Discord, and it made me see that I had failed to consider the following teams (in no particular order):

Stanford B
Northwestern
UNC
UCLA
Michigan
Vanderbilt
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My ranking:

1 Columbia A
2 Chicago A
3 Illinois
4 Maryland
5 Harvard
6 Stanford
7 Texas
8 Berkeley
9 Virginia
10 Florida
11 OSU
12 Cambridge
13 Oxford
14 Yale (speculative, assumes Stephen is around)
15 Cornell
16 Johns Hopkins
18 Southampton
18 Columbia B
19 Chicago B
20 WUSTL
21 Georgia Tech
22 UCLA
23 Northwestern
24 Penn State
25 UC Davis

EDIT: ranked texas twice originally whoops
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I haven't finished my ballot yet, but I have created this tier list (order within ranks alphabetical):
S: Columbia A
S-: Chicago A, Illinois A, Maryland A, Stanford A
A+: Harvard A, Virginia A
A: Berkeley A, Florida A, Ohio State A, Texas A
A-: Cambridge A
B+: Chicago B, Johns Hopkins A, Yale A
B: Northwestern A, Oxford A, Southampton A
B-:Georgia Tech A, Stanford B WUSTL A
C+: Brown A, Columbia B, Minnesota A, MIT A, Penns State A, Princeton A, Penn A, Rutgers A
C: Chicago C, Duke A, Michigan A, North Carolina A, Purdue A, Texas B, UC Davis A, Vanderbilt A (probably other B teams)

(Cornell, McGill, and UCLA not included due to uncertainty)
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The deadline for this passed last night but I, uh, forgot about that, and I won't have a good chance to finish the calculations and post the results until tomorrow I think, so I am extending the deadline for ballots until midnight Pacific Time tonight (9/26). If you wanted to vote in this poll but didn't get your ballot in yet this will be your last chance.
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Voting has finished. Thank you to the eleven voters in this poll for making these rankings possible: Leo Law, Jonathen Settle, Ryan Humphrey, Bradley McLain, Daniel Hothem, Emmett Laurie, Ryan Rosenberg, Alston Boyd, Rudra Rangnathan, Kai Smith, and Rahul Keyal. The results are as follows:

#1: Columbia University, 272 Points, 8 First-Place Votes, Lowest #2
#2: University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, 254 Points, 1 First-Place Vote, Lowest: #7
#3: University of Chicago, 247 Points, 2 First-Place Votes, Lowest: #10
#4: Stanford University, 238 Points, Highest: #2, Lowest: #7
#5: University of Maryland, College Park, 220 Points, Highest: #3, Lowest: #11
#6: University of California, Berkeley, 215 Points, Highest: #3, Lowest: #10
#7: Harvard University, 213 Points, Highest: #4, Lowest: #10
#8: University of Virginia, 208 Points, Highest: #4, Lowest: #9
#9: The Ohio State University, 196 Points, Highest: #4, Lowest: #11
#10: University of Florida, 176 Points, Highest: #9, Lowest: #11
#11 University of Texas, Austin, 174 Points, Highest: #7, Lowest: #12
#12: Cambridge University, 130 Points, Highest: #12, Ranked in 10 Ballots
#13: Oxford University, 124 Points, Highest: #11, Lowest: #17
#14: Yale University, 119 Points, Highest: #12, Ranked in 10 Ballots
#15: Johns Hopkins University, 108 Points, Highest: #12, Lowest: #20
#16: Washington University in St. Louis, 88 Points, Highest: #14, Lowest: #21
#17: Cornell University, 78 Points, Highest: #13, Ranked in 9 Ballots
TIE #18: Georgia Institute of Technology, 69 Points, Highest: #13, Ranked in 10 Ballots
TIE #18: University of Chicago B, 69 Points, Highest: #13, Ranked in 10 Ballots
TIE #18: Southampton University, 69 Points, Highest: #15, Ranked in 10 Ballots
#21: Northwestern University, 68 Points, Highest: #13, Ranked in 9 Ballots
#22: Stanford University B, 37 Points, Highest: #16, Ranked in 7 Ballots
#23: Columbia University B, 32 Points, Highest: #17, Ranked in 7 Ballots
#24: McGill University, 31 Points, Highest: #14, Ranked in 3 Ballots
#25: University of California, Los Angeles, 26 Points, Highest: #19, Ranked in 6 Ballots



Also Receiving Votes:
#26: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities, 25 Points, Highest: #21, Ranked in 7 Ballots
#27: Michigan State University, 20 Points, Highest: #6, Ranked in 1 Ballot
#28: Pennsylvania State University, 16 Points, Highest: #19, Ranked in 5 Ballots
#29: Brown University, 12 Points, Highest: #20, Ranked in 3 Ballots
#30: Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 7 Points, Highest: #22, Ranked in 2 Ballots
TIE #31: University of Texas, Austin B, 4 Points, Highest: #22, Ranked in 1 Ballot
TIE #31: University of Pennsylvania, 4 Points, Highest: #24, Ranked in 2 Ballots
TIE #31: Princeton University, 4 Points, Highest: #22, Ranked in 1 Ballot
TIE #34: University of California, Berkeley B, 3 Points, Highest: #23, Ranked in 1 Ballot
TIE #34: University of California, Davis, 3 Point, Highest: #24, Ranked in 2 Ballots
TIE #36: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, 2 Points, Highest: #24, Ranked in 1 Ballot
TIE #36: Rutgers University, 2 Points, Highest: #25, Ranked in 2 Ballots
TIE #38: University of Chicago C, 1 Point, Highest: #25, Ranked in 1 Ballot
TIE #38: University of Michigan, 1 Point, Highest: #25, Ranked in 1 Ballot
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Out of curiosity, may I ask the voters what caused Stanford to go up 9 spots since the last postseason poll?
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Sean wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:20 am Out of curiosity, may I ask the voters what caused Stanford to go up 9 spots since the last postseason poll?
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A combination of Tim and (in my opinion) Stanford being underranked in last year's postseason poll.
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Illinois Admin wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:39 am Presumably Tim Morrison
heterodyne wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:27 pm A combination of Tim and (in my opinion) Stanford being underranked in last year's postseason poll.
Gotcha. There’s only so much i can ascertain through stats (I usually check on NAQT’s site because I don’t know any convenient alternatives—I’m open to suggestions), but from 2019 ICT to 2020 SCT Morrison had about the same PP20TUH and a considerable power percentage for each, so that speaks to a certain level of deep knowledge, though I have no way of knowing in what specific subject(s).

I’m sure this has most likely been mentioned at some point or another on the forums before, but I’m not sure how people can keep up with players/teams outside of their local circuit. There are stats to look at, but you wouldn’t be able to know what a given player specializes in. I’ve found that’s even true for some players I’ve competed against multiple times, though that’s probably an indicator that I could be more aware of other teams rather than anything else.
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Sean wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:22 pm I’m sure this has most likely been mentioned at some point or another on the forums before, but I’m not sure how people can keep up with players/teams outside of their local circuit. There are stats to look at, but you wouldn’t be able to know what a given player specializes in. I’ve found that’s even true for some players I’ve competed against multiple times, though that’s probably an indicator that I could be more aware of other teams rather than anything else.
Geography can certainly affect the quality of one's information, but I'd guess that most knowledge of "who's good at what subjects" comes from players talking to friends in other circuits. Plenty of tournaments track advanced stats as well, and you can get a decent picture someone's skill by looking at buzzpoints on individual tossups.
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Sean wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:22 pm
Illinois Admin wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:39 am Presumably Tim Morrison
heterodyne wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:27 pm A combination of Tim and (in my opinion) Stanford being underranked in last year's postseason poll.
Gotcha. There’s only so much i can ascertain through stats (I usually check on NAQT’s site because I don’t know any convenient alternatives
This is a good time to plug Harry White's excellent searchable statistics database - Database Search
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Smuttynose Island wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:51 pm This is a good time to plug Harry White's excellent searchable statistics database - Database Search
I had no idea this existed—thanks. Searching for team results through the forums is so time-consuming.
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