ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:08 pm

This year’s Chicago Open History side tournament, Urgent Call for Unity, will be held on Sunday of the weekend of CO at the University of Chicago. The motivating philosophy for this tournament is to enable stiff, enjoyable competition between the many excellent history quizbowlers, active and “retired.” Packet submission is voluntary, but I hope that most if not all teams submit a packet. This is an opportunity to engage in combat on a battlefield of your own design, so please use your imagination while at the same time closely adhering to the standards of good question-writing. I would like to create an event that represents quizbowl’s collective fantasy about what a history tournament could be.

This event will be free for any team that submits a packet and $20 for a team that does not (or whose packet is essentially unusable--in which case I will let you know before the tournament and give you the chance to edit).

Format

Teams will consist of two players. The format for this tournament is tentatively going to be ten rounds of 16/16, followed by a one-game final if no team clears the field by more than two games. Any tiebreaker to enter the final will first regard teams’ records in their head-to-head matches, and if that is insufficient (or the tournament is bracketed), points per bonus.

UPDATE: July 18th, 2013

The tournament will consist of two brackets each with nine teams. There will be a complete round robin within each bracket, followed by a one-round final between the winners of each bracket. Any tie to get into the final between teams with identical records will be broken by PPB.

** As tournament director, I reserve the right to combine teams by fiat if that ends up the only way to accommodate everyone who wants play and satisfy staffing, room, and time constraints. I certainly hope that won’t be necessary.

Distribution

Submitted packets should adhere to the following 20/20 distribution, which will be paired down to 16/16 for the final packets.

5/5 American
2/2 British/Commonwealth
5/5 Continental European (post-500 AD)
4/4 World (post-500 AD)
2/2 Ancient/Classical (any geography before 500 AD)
1/1 Social or Economic History
1/1 Historiography/Science History/Unclassified/Your Choice

Sub-distributions will not be rigidly prescribed, but please vary the time period and subject matter within these headings. Military history should comprise no more than 4/4 of your submitted packet.

Packet Submission

The packet submission deadline is June 9, 2013. (Or, rather, before I arrive at my desk the morning of Monday, June 10, which will happen around 9 AM CDT.) It would be a kind gesture if you notified me in advance of that date if your team plans to submit a packet. As I wrote above, submission is greatly encouraged.

Collaboration

If you are unable to attend the tournament but wish to contribute questions, please email me to discuss. Remuneration will be a suitable percentage of the tournament’s gross revenue based on the number of your questions used. Any help staffing the tournament would be greatly appreciated, particularly from those planning to attend the trash tournament the same day but not play this.

My email address is msteinbaum at gmail if you wish to register or if you have any questions, or of course you may post in this thread.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:09 pm

Running Field

Gupta + Cheyne
Nediger + O'Rourke
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Dickinson + Madden
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Hang + Gerten
Bentley + Byrne
Hart + Adams + Coates
Hoppes + Aggarwal
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Staff

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by Cheynem » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:13 pm

Head to head is a silly way to break ties.

I'm playing this, despite the ridiculous 2/2 ancient history requirement. I hope Marshall doesn't allow any video game or myth history into this.

Edit: Playing with Mrs. Gupta.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by Important Bird Area » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:16 pm

I'll play this tournament.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by Steeve Ho You Fat » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:26 pm

I plan on playing this, and presumably will write a packet with my eventual teammate.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by Auroni » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:38 pm

Cheynem wrote:Head to head is a silly way to break ties.

I'm playing this, despite the ridiculous 2/2 ancient history requirement. I hope Marshall doesn't allow any video game or myth history into this.

I think Auroni said he wanted to partner--confirm? If not, then I am looking for teammates who know non American things.
Yes, let's do this.

(also don't use a head-to-head tiebreaker pleeeease.)
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by women, fire and dangerous things » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:09 pm

I'll play this, assuming there's someone who doesn't mind teaming up with someone who doesn't know history.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by Auks Ran Ova » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:18 pm

As this is a quizbowl tournament, I will play it; however, in lieu of a packet, I will be mailing Marshall a used copy of Dynasty Warriors 3 for Playstation 2.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by OctagonJoe » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:37 pm

I'll write a packet with someone for this, but I have no idea if I'll be at CO
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by 1992 in spaceflight » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:24 pm

women, fire and dangerous things wrote:I'll play this, assuming there's someone who doesn't mind teaming up with someone who doesn't know history.
I'm not expecting to win and want to play this. Want to team up?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by women, fire and dangerous things » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:05 pm

The Two Hearts of Kwasi Boachi wrote:
women, fire and dangerous things wrote:I'll play this, assuming there's someone who doesn't mind teaming up with someone who doesn't know history.
I'm not expecting to win and want to play this. Want to team up?
Sure!
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by No Rules Westbrook » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:11 pm

I'll play this.

p.s. Don't listen to Weiner about points per bonus. It's the bees knees. Do listen to Weiner about head to head tiebreakers - no, scratch that, listen to Cheyne who said the same thing. Head to head tiebreakers are the bees balls.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by Sima Guang Hater » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:39 pm

I will play. I know some history and would like to make a run at 3rd place.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by Lagotto Romagnolo » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:53 am

I'll play this. Marshall, I hope you enjoy my slew of tossups written by re-enacting the tactical masterstrokes of Alp Arslan with toy soldiers.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by grapesmoker » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:32 am

I'm down to play this. Also, Matt is right: h2h is a terrible tiebreaker (double-values a single game) and if you have a round-robin situation where everyone plays everyone else, you should use PPG (since the quality of opposition is the same for everyone).
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by Periplus of the Erythraean Sea » Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:12 pm

I plan on submitting a packet along with Kirk Jing from Dartmouth. Hopefully I'll also be playing this tournament with him.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by Edmund » Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:12 am

If I make it to CO - which seems likely - I'd like to play this. Whether I need to find a chum also unattached to a team (who would do well to know more history than me) depends on who of my compatriots I can persuade to join the venture. I'll have a clearer idea on that point by April/May.

I'd like to write but the 5/5 US history I generate will be terrible. Any thoughts on remedying that?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by Charbroil » Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:43 am

I'll be playing this.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:29 pm

Edmund wrote:I'd like to write but the 5/5 US history I generate will be terrible. Any thoughts on remedying that?
Well, aside from the obvious "learn some US history" (which I assure you is quite interesting and worth doing), you might be able to convince an American teammate that what they really need is a teammate who knows the Anglo Saxon Chronicle intimately. But seriously, I encourage you and anyone else to write in areas where you may not be completely comfortable.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (Summer 2013)

Post by rylltraka » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:19 am

I would like to play this. I know only what I know (which is to say, ancient history and a mishmash of other things) and can provide you only limited chance for success in this tournament.
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Post by Susan » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:48 am

Please feel free to debate the merits of various tiebreakers over here.
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Post by Steeve Ho You Fat » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:51 am

Aaron Rosenberg and I are playing this.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by Beast Mode » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:56 pm

I'll play. I know only a very modest smattering of American history, British/European history, Jewish/Israeli history, and some historiography of what I studied in college.

I'll be happy if I break 10 ppg, but I'm also hoping to get a couple of sick first line buzzes. Pick me if you have similar plans.

EDIT: Kurtis Droge is letting me ride his coattails.
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Post by gyre and gimble » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:06 pm

I'm looking for a teammate. I know European history pretty well but have spotty coverage elsewhere.
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Post by recfreq » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:48 pm

I'd like to play. Can write questions. I now know Japanese history.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by Mike Bentley » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:36 pm

So is this tournament after the trash tournament on Sunday?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by itsthatoneguy » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:06 am

Since I will be at CO Sunday for trash, I will staff this.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:40 am

Mike Bentley wrote:So is this tournament after the trash tournament on Sunday?
Yes, that is the plan. My understanding of the arrangement is that the trash tournament will be over by 2.00, immediately after which this will commence. Lunch for whoever wants it will be organized centrally so people don't disperse, and I hope to have many people cross-staff the tournament they're not playing in order to expedite matters.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:41 am

Tees-Exe Line wrote:
Mike Bentley wrote:So is this tournament after the trash tournament on Sunday?
Yes, that is the plan. My understanding of the arrangement is that the trash tournament will be over by 2.00, immediately after which this will commence. Lunch for whoever wants it will be organized centrally so people don't disperse, and I hope to have many people cross-staff the tournament they're not playing in order to expedite matters.
How many rounds is the trash tournament? 2 PM seems like a super-ambitious finish time unless we're doing like 7 rounds.
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Post by Matt Weiner » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:44 am

I will be playing this tournament with Stephen Liu.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:49 am

Mike Bentley wrote:
Tees-Exe Line wrote:
Mike Bentley wrote:So is this tournament after the trash tournament on Sunday?
Yes, that is the plan. My understanding of the arrangement is that the trash tournament will be over by 2.00, immediately after which this will commence. Lunch for whoever wants it will be organized centrally so people don't disperse, and I hope to have many people cross-staff the tournament they're not playing in order to expedite matters.
How many rounds is the trash tournament? 2 PM seems like a super-ambitious finish time unless we're doing like 7 rounds.
I am running Urgent Call as ten rounds of 16/16 plus finals, designed to be done in a brisk six hours. I had hoped the trash tournament would operate the same way.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by Cheynem » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:17 am

I...don't think the trash tournament is 16/16.

By which my point is even a speedily run tournament of 10 regular rounds (even assuming we don't eat lunch?)...I don't think we're finishing by 2. 3:00 is more likely, which means I think no matter how you slice it, this is a long day of quizbowl. PLAN TRAVEL ACCORDINGLY.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:20 am

Cheynem wrote:I...don't think the trash tournament is 16/16.
Well the alternative is obviously to run them concurrently. I applied for eighteen rooms total for CO weekend, so if that request is granted it would probably be feasible for space if not staff. Still, I'm pretty annoyed since I have conformed this tournament in every way with the ideal of two tournaments on CO Sunday. But since I am the one with the rooms....
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by Cheynem » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:29 am

Is it really that much of a pickle to start UUU a hour or so (two hours?) later than projected? If we order in food for lunch, that saves some time, and trash tournaments tend to go quickly with competent staffers. I just think 2:00 is a bit ambitious. I mean, even if we do start at 2 and your tournament is six hours, we're not getting out of here until 8 PM, so getting out at 9 or 10 PM isn't that much of a deal for people who are planning late departures anyway.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:34 am

Cheynem wrote:Is it really that much of a pickle to start UUU a hour or so (two hours?) later than projected? If we order in food for lunch, that saves some time, and trash tournaments tend to go quickly with competent staffers. I just think 2:00 is a bit ambitious. I mean, even if we do start at 2 and your tournament is six hours, we're not getting out of here until 8 PM, so getting out at 9 or 10 PM isn't that much of a deal for people who are planning late departures anyway.
Well the problem is that we have a hard end-time of around 10 PM, at which time some faux quizbowler secretly in the pay of the campus police will rat on us and we'll get thrown out. That outcome was considered calamitous two years ago, and I'm not going to declare "sure, start this thing at 4.00" now when my gestures of compromise have thus far not been reciprocated. If they aren't, then this will begin at 9.00 AM in a location of my choosing.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by Cheynem » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:41 am

I guess I don't wish to speak for David, but I know obviously his tournament is not 16/16 nor is it just 10 rounds (as he proclaimed in his initial announcement in June 2012). I'm sure whoever runs this will start it as early as possible and run it as quickly as possible, but I'm confused as to what compromises you are expecting here.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:46 am

Cheynem wrote:I guess I don't wish to speak for David, but I know obviously his tournament is not 16/16 nor is it just 10 rounds (as he proclaimed in his initial announcement in June 2012). I'm sure whoever runs this will start it as early as possible and run it as quickly as possible, but I'm confused as to what compromises you are expecting here.
Something along the lines you just named. Look--I imagine you are one of those most interested in making sure both of these tournaments happen and happen consecutively, not concurrently. So perhaps you'd be willing to broker a deal. I'm also interested in the same outcome, but I'm not going to come out now and say that this tournament can begin whenever. Everyone should already know that if they want to play the Sunday tournaments they should not fly out on Sunday. Beyond that we're looking for some accommodation that ensures both events happen in a way consistent with their guiding philosophies.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by Cheynem » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:51 am

My ideas for a compromise (and I'll let David or whoever is TD'ing the trash thing speak more) would be:

-start the trash tournament early (8:00?) with a DROP DEAD start time, i.e. none of this "oh, Eric Mukherjee [HYPOTHETICAL NAME] is late, we'll wait 20 minutes." Il Duce Mike Bentley did a good job last year in making sure the tournament started on time.

-very short/possibly coordinated lunch time. Encourage ordering in food or coordinating food orders so lunch only takes like a half hour instead of a hour. People can get their own food or bring their own meals, but lunch is still only half a hour or whenever people finish eating.

-best possible staff/readers who cut down on the jibber jabbah. The best candidates would be excellent readers interested in history but not interested in trash.

-possibly (although I would oppose this) shortening the number of rounds for the trash tournament.

As a scholar of quizbowl history you are aware that this is somewhat similar to the Ted vs. History debate of last year in which the ruling was "more quizbowl is better, just run a quick, efficient day." Again, no matter how we slice things, this is a long day, so Sunday travel must be carefully planned here.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Urgent Call for Unity (July 21, 2013)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:56 am

Your first three items have already been agreed to by all parties, and I for one am happy to staff the trash tournament and encourage others to do the same. It was on that basis that I announced this tournament for Sunday of CO weekend, with a 2.00 PM start time.

I actually thought things ended up working out reasonably well last year, as much as could be expected since the equivalent debate played out essentially the week of the tournament. I hope that we can improve on that by having the debate now, and I want Urgent Call to be less amorphous than that history tournament was while at the same time including bonuses, which is why I've agreed to tight parameters. I hope that trash does the same.
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Post by Bartleby » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:04 pm

I won't be at CO, and thus won't be running the trash tournament, but I am writing for it, so I am qualified to speak to its length, at least. We are writing ten rounds of 20/20 plus finals.

I can't speak to how those at the tournament would want it to be run, but I don't see any reason why there wouldn't be able to be a drop-dead start time, competent staff, and some sort of efficient lunch coordination.

ETA: From my own experience, I don't see why both tournaments wouldn't fit on Sunday, as long as there is coordination and efficiency, and as someone who has a vested interest in seeing CO Trash run at its full potential, and an academic interest in seeing a strong history tournament, I would urge all potential participants to, as Mike Cheyne has already done, plan their travel accordingly, and be punctual and organized on the day of the tournament.
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Post by Bartleby » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:43 pm

And I guess I'll just add that I don't think anyone writing the trash tournament has an issue with following "tight parameters". Rather, looking back at previous discussion over this, I think there's simply concern that finishing 10 rounds of 20/20 plus a possible finals between 8:00 and 2:00 may be a bit unfeasible. I do think it's prudent to have this conversation now, however.
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Post by Cheynem » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:45 pm

Oh, it's just ten rounds? I think while 2:00 is a little unfeasible, 3:00 definitely isn't provided we start early enough, have a quick lunch, and move quickly. That means we're out of there at 9:00 (unless dinner...?).
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Post by Bartleby » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:20 pm

Cheynem wrote:Oh, it's just ten rounds? I think while 2:00 is a little unfeasible, 3:00 definitely isn't provided we start early enough, have a quick lunch, and move quickly. That means we're out of there at 9:00 (unless dinner...?).
This is correct. While we had initially planned to write fifteen rounds of 20/20, when this was made into CO Trash, we scaled back to ten rounds plus finals, as this has traditionally been the format for CO Trash. So, we will be producing twelve packets of 20/20 total, with ten of those allotted for a round robin, and two intended to serve as finals packets, if necessary.
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Post by Kilroy Was Here » Mon May 06, 2013 11:22 pm

I'll play this with anyone who wants to play with a high schooler who can guarantee a ppg that isn't negative.
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Post by Tees-Exe Line » Tue May 07, 2013 10:39 am

It would be great if everyone who's planning to submit a packet for this could email me (even if you've already indicated that in this thread or elsewhere). Not doing so does not preclude you from writing a packet, of course, but it would be much appreciated. I'm at msteinbaum at gmail.

Let me say that after a somewhat distressing conversation last evening, I'm seriously considering raising the price for non-packet-submitters.
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Post by The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man » Tue May 07, 2013 5:20 pm

I'd like to play this. I suck at history, but I probably suck less than usual at Marshall history.
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Post by Great Bustard » Fri May 31, 2013 7:35 am

Question: is the packet submission deadline completely set or not? I'd like to do a packet, but my schedule is way more conducive to writing high quality questions between June 9 and June 18 than between now and June 9. Is there any leeway there?
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Post by Tees-Exe Line » Fri May 31, 2013 12:25 pm

The packet submission deadline is set, yes. If it's the difference between your team submitting a quality packet and not submitting one, please contact me privately with a date you propose to finish by.
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Post by Tees-Exe Line » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:20 pm

This is a reminder that the packet submission deadline is this Sunday, June 9th.
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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:48 pm

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