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RESULTS: 2010 Late Season Poll

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With the completion of ACF Regionals and NAQT Sectionals, it is now time for the 2010 Late Season Collegiate* Poll.

* "Collegiate" refers to the level of play and difficulty of tournaments to consider, not that the poll is exclusive to teams from colleges. If you believe a high school team is good enough to be ranked here, rank them.

Send to me your top 25 in order, 1 to 25. Teams will get 25 points for a 1st place vote, 24 for 2nd, and so on.

Email them to me at [email protected], and please include "hsquizbowl Top 25" in the subject line of your email. I have started to accept ballots and will accept ballots until 24 hours after I receive the 15th ballot which will hopefully be by Friday the 12th. I will post notification of receipt of the 15th ballot, and that will be the point 24 hours after which the poll will close.

Ballots that are bad will be reviewed and possibly rejected; if I have enough time, I'll prompt you for reasoning and what not.

Remember that the poll is intended for a general ranking of how good teams are. You should consider the team's best possible performance, as if all players who have shown up this year were available for play. B teams are eligible to be ranked.

I will be posting collected stat links for Winter, T-Party, Penn Bowl, SCT, and Regionals as I collect them, likely in the next two days. If your tournament has not posted stats, post them or email the files to me so that I can.
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Re: 2010 Late Season Poll

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ACF Winter
http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... etail#p1_2
http://bit.ly/6mw5z7
http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings
http://texasquizbowl.org/d/10winter/ACF ... dings.html
http://sites.google.com/site/ysacyale/a ... heast-2010
http://cchiego.myweb.uga.edu/Winter10_standings.html
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/winter-wesley ... dings.html
http://quizbowl.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/qb ... winter2010 prelims
http://quizbowl.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/qb ... inter2010p playoffs

Penn Bowl
http://results.scobo.net/Penn/pbprelims Playoffs allegedly coming I hear
http://ullquizbowl.tripod.com/DC_standings.html
http://groups.northwestern.edu/quizbowl ... dings.html Prelims
http://groups.northwestern.edu/quizbowl ... dings.html Playoffs

T-Party

http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings prelims
http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings playoffs
http://collegiate.quizbowlpackets.com/s ... dings.html
http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings
http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~kand0028/quiz_bo ... ounds.html

SCT
http://www.naqt.com/sct/hosts.jsp

Regionals
http://andysthoughts.com/ACFRegs2010/AC ... dings.html
http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings
http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/cbowl/acfreg ... dings.html
http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings
http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings
http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings
http://www.texasquizbowl.org/d/10ACFRegs/
http://128.252.199.22/~wuat/regionals/

If there are mirrors I have missed please let me know!
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I'm compiling this data at: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... utput=html

If someone wants to lend a hand and do T-Party, Penn Bowl, Winter, or SCT, let me know.

EDIT: Everything except T-Party and Penn Bowl are up, we're waiting on those stats
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Re: 2010 Late Season Poll

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The Quest for the Historical Mukherjesus wrote:I'm compiling this data at: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... utput=html

If someone wants to lend a hand and do T-Party, Penn Bowl, Winter, or SCT, let me know.

EDIT: Everything except T-Party and Penn Bowl are up, we're waiting on those stats
Out of curiosity, will you be including the CCCT in the SCT statistics?
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International Community Radio Taipei wrote:
The Quest for the Historical Mukherjesus wrote:I'm compiling this data at: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... utput=html

If someone wants to lend a hand and do T-Party, Penn Bowl, Winter, or SCT, let me know.

EDIT: Everything except T-Party and Penn Bowl are up, we're waiting on those stats
Out of curiosity, will you be including the CCCT in the SCT statistics?
I wasn't planning to, but I could get someone on that. If you wouldn't mind creating a CCSCT sheet let me know
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Re: 2010 Late Season Poll

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So, I've gotten 7 ballots for this. Timeframe for the poll has been extended as per the first post. Vote!
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Frater Taciturnus wrote:So, I've gotten 7 ballots for this. Timeframe for the poll has been extended as per the first post. Vote!
Not to make life hard for you, but: why? This has been a relatively anomalous year. We haven't seen a lot of the good teams play a full tournament with their A team, and not that much has changed since last year. I mean, people can run polls and vote in them to their heart's content, but I'm not seeing much utility in a poll for which there is relatively little data to go on.
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http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... detail#t12

30.67 PPB is quite the stat line for Illinois.
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jdeliverer wrote:http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... detail#t12

30.67 PPB is quite the stat line for Illinois.
They must be using some of the voting machines to record statistics.
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So I have only nine votes but its pretty clear people dont want to vote. I'll leave this open another 24 hours and then post something after this art homework is done.
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Having drawn this out as long as possible, Congratulations to the University of Minnesota for taking first place in the 2010 Late Season Collegiate Poll. A full write up is at http://hsquizbowl.org/blog/?p=158.

Ballots may be found at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... fc3c&hl=en
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Frater Taciturnus wrote:Having drawn this out as long as possible, Congratulations to the University of Minnesota for taking first place in the 2010 Late Season Collegiate Poll. A full write up is at http://hsquizbowl.org/blog/?p=158.

Ballots may be found at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... fc3c&hl=en
Quizbowl is a game where a bunch of people push buzzers for half an hour and in the end Chicago wins. Stop fooling yourselves.

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grapesmoker wrote:Quizbowl is a game where a bunch of people bush buzzers for half an hour and in the end Chicago wins. Stop fooling yourselves.
how u bush buzzer?
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The Gambler, the Nun, and the Radio wrote:
grapesmoker wrote:Quizbowl is a game where a bunch of people bush buzzers for half an hour and in the end Chicago wins. Stop fooling yourselves.
how u bush buzzer?
Chicago knows, that's why they win all the time.
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grapesmoker wrote:
The Gambler, the Nun, and the Radio wrote:
grapesmoker wrote:Quizbowl is a game where a bunch of people bush buzzers for half an hour and in the end Chicago wins. Stop fooling yourselves.
how u bush buzzer?
Chicago knows, that's why they win all the time.
Clearly, Jerry, you must now learn this mysterious art so that you might win ICT and ACF Nationals.
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I'm taking bets on which will happen first: the release of these polls or ACF Nationals.
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Whig's Boson wrote:I'm taking bets on which will happen first: the release of these polls or ACF Nationals.
http://hsquizbowl.org/blog/?p=158
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Kwang the Ninja wrote:
Whig's Boson wrote:I'm taking bets on which will happen first: the release of these polls or ACF Nationals.
http://hsquizbowl.org/blog/?p=158
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you didn't read the last three or four posts in this thread, Bruce.
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I think this poll was meant more to mirror ACF Nationals performances, but after ICT, it's interesting to review it:

#1 Minnesota A (tied for 4th)--took a modest hit on NAQT style, probably
#2 Chicago A (2nd)
#3 Brown A (7th)--took a big hit on NAQT style
#4 Illinois A (tied for 4th)
#5 Stanford (tied for 20th)--the poll, I assume, was predicting a different lineup for ACF Nats
#6 Penn (3rd)--Penn could be a legit title contender after seeing this performance
#7 Harvard (1st)--a big surprise here...very interesting to see if Penn and Harvard replicate their success at Nats and add even more contenders to what should be an exciting field
#8 Maryland (9th)
#9 UCSD--did not play
#10 Yale (tied for 11th)
#11 VCU (tied for 11th)
#12 Toronto (6th)--another modest surprise here
#13 Irvine (tied for 11th)
#14 Carnegie Mellon--did not play
#15 State College--did not play
#16 South Carolina--did not play
#17 Michigan (tied for 9th)--this team was a little underrated in the polls in my opinion, although the tournament showed relatively little differentiation between the teams from #8 in the polls down, Toronto the exception
#18 Florida State (tied for 17th)
#19 Missouri (tied for 17th)
#20 Florida (8th)--difficult to get a bead on this team which seems to do well on NAQT, I'd imagine this is what resulted in its ranking, although they did play very well at ICT
#21 Chicago B (15th)--not sure what lineup this was predicting
#22 Carleton (tied for 11th)--this team at full strength probably deserved a higher ranking, I think they get a slight NAQT boost
#23 UCLA (29th)--did not play with its best lineup
#24 Rice (3rd in DII)
#25 Brown B (1st in DII)--although not sure what roster this was predicted to have

Teams that finished in the Top 25 at ICT that were not ranked: Minnesota B, Lawrence, Dartmouth, RPI, WUSTL, Oxford, Arizona State--can't really comment on any of these teams other than my own, which definitely received a NAQT boost

Obviously, the fact that not every team was there and the DI/DII separate fields skew things quite a bit.
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I think Hunter College is better than at least one of the top 25 teams, but I can't prove it since iirc they've never played
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Cheynem wrote: #3 Brown A (7th)--took a big hit on NAQT style
I'm looking at their margins of defeat and is it just me or does Brown win D1 ICT outright (13-0) if they combine their D1 and D2 teams? I think their hit was having a split line-up.
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fourplustwo wrote:
Cheynem wrote: #3 Brown A (7th)--took a big hit on NAQT style
I'm looking at their margins of defeat and is it just me or does Brown win D1 ICT outright (13-0) if they combine their D1 and D2 teams? I think their hit was having a split line-up.
Playing six people at once would be a bit of an unfair advantage.
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vcuEvan wrote:
fourplustwo wrote:
Cheynem wrote: #3 Brown A (7th)--took a big hit on NAQT style
I'm looking at their margins of defeat and is it just me or does Brown win D1 ICT outright (13-0) if they combine their D1 and D2 teams? I think their hit was having a split line-up.
Playing six people at once would be a bit of an unfair advantage.
Only if you a wuss.

But yeah, in practically every game they lost at ICT, it was by the maximum margin on a tossup-bonus cycle.
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