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Hey, we're trying to figure out the number of D1 UG teams that will be at the UIC SCT. I assume Rom will be with UIC, but am I correct in my guess that IIT and Lawrence will both be UG-eligible? Is anyone else planning on registering for the UIC SCT?
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UIC has Rom. IIT is undergrad-eligible. Lawrence is probably undergrad-eligible?

As for more teams: we expect some number of UIUC teams, plus whatever you decide to register from Chicago, and an unknown number of potential less-experienced teams (that probably will be playing DII).
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Last thing I heard was that UIUC will have one D1 team most likely consisting of Donald and Mike.
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I had been wondering when teams from the University of Chicago and the University of Illinois would register for this region. Are those schools considering sending some teams to Minnesota and/or Ball State? Last year, Chicago sent teams to the University of Michigan and Washington University. Jeff Hoppes posted that this Friday (January 29) is the deadline to apply for exceptions to register for a more distant regional. Next Monday (February 1) is the deadline to register for SCT period.

While UIC would automatically be Division I on account of me, my teammates are two graduate students and a December graduate (who joined me at ACF Fall 2006). Lawrence University would probably be Division 1 due to Greg Peterson. Notre Dame recently entered three teams in Division 2. I do not know if Bryce Durgin would be on any of those teams, nor am I sure of his level. I would also love to compete against Northwestern and other locals. Would Michigan travel to Ball State?

I should post future replies on this thread about parking around UIC's east campus, CTA directions, food options, and whatever else would interest our challengers. Has anybody heard rumblings about where NAQT ICT would take place?

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We're coming to with 2 D2 teams.

Any word yet on staff discounts, or is UIC finding some secret source of readers who can read 24 question rounds?
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nalin wrote:Any word yet on staff discounts, or is UIC finding some secret source of readers who can read 24 question rounds?
I would say: plan to bring staff along, and we'll work with the host to get you a discount.
EncyclopediaCDRom wrote:Would Michigan travel to Ball State?
Michigan is sending three teams to McMaster (which is the same distance from Ann Arbor as Chicago).
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EncyclopediaCDRom wrote:I should post future replies on this thread about parking around UIC's east campus, CTA directions, food options, and whatever else would interest our challengers. Has anybody heard rumblings about where NAQT ICT would take place?
I'm sure everyone would appreciate the local advice, Rom.

Yes, I've heard about ICT... but I can't say any more at the present time.
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EncyclopediaCDRom wrote: While UIC would automatically be Division I on account of me, my teammates are two graduate students and a December graduate (who joined me at ACF Fall 2006). Lawrence University would probably be Division 1 due to Greg Peterson. Notre Dame recently entered three teams in Division 2. I do not know if Bryce Durgin would be on any of those teams, nor am I sure of his level. I would also love to compete against Northwestern and other locals. Would Michigan travel to Ball State?
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I am still DII eligible, so I will play on one of those three DII teams.
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I expect all rounds to occur in Student Center East (formerly called Chicago Circle Center). For those relying on CTA, you would exit the Blue Line at Halsted/UIC and walk one block south on Halsted Street, with the union on your right (west). You should check CTA for any weekend Blue Line interruptions. I will see if the UIC Flames play that Saturday. The last I heard, our men's basketball team is 5-14 in the Horizon League, and the UIC Pavilion is not near the union building anyway.

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As for our volunteer moderators, I recall a final line from TEA AND SYMPATHY when the teacher suggests being kind.
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Illinois is sorting everything out still but there should be a D1 Team there. (And a DII)

Edit: Not UG eligible; I seem to be unable to read

Edit 2: 0 Illinois teams
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bt_green_warbler wrote:
nalin wrote:Any word yet on staff discounts, or is UIC finding some secret source of readers who can read 24 question rounds?
I would say: plan to bring staff along, and we'll work with the host to get you a discount.
EncyclopediaCDRom wrote:As for our volunteer moderators, I recall a final line from TEA AND SYMPATHY when the teacher suggests being kind.
I hope I'm not alone in finding this an unacceptably cavalier attitude. Let's even lay to one side for now that we don't know where and when this tournament is. Let's even lay to one side the fact that all the information we've got about it is second-hand vagaries and pre-emptive staff damage control from Rom. What I can't write off here is that you've got a tournament that is extremely sensitive to staff quality with no apparent source of quality staff and that is doing nothing apparent about it, even the easiest possible things that literally every tournament has always done. What's up with this? Where are the staffers for this coming from?

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We're going to do something about that. Not sure what, yet, but I just wrote to R. with some suggestions.
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bt_green_warbler wrote:We're going to do something about that. Not sure what, yet, but I just wrote to R. with some suggestions.
If you want some suggestions for local people to contact about staffing, I can help with that; presumably local teams have ideas as well.
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At the Penn Bowl mirror, I had wanted to invite Northwestern to UIC the following week. After this evening's practice, I consider it more appropriate to talk to locals about the aforementioned issues/questions this Saturday during convenient breaks.

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Am I correct in assuming that the Northwestern team is UG? If they are, we're just going to bring the 3 D1 teams, but if they aren't we'll drum together a fourth D1 team to get the quorum necessary for an UG bid. Is there some good way to set up registrations to explain this contingency? Register four and then drop one at the last second or just the three and try to shoehorn in at the last second?

Also, can I recommend that the status of a team as UG eligible or not be made visible on the registrations in future years?
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marnold wrote:Am I correct in assuming that the Northwestern team is UG?
You'll have to ask someone from Northwestern, since they haven't (yet) provided us with a roster. Meanwhile: probably best to register the maximal number of teams and then drop if you decide to combine them.
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Lawrence is a four-year university that doesn't offer degrees past a bachelor's, so yeah, we'll be UG. Also, there's a 50-50 chance it'll be just me and a 50-50 chance it'll be me and one other person.
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The sketchiness of this tournament bothers me.
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Yes. This IS gonna happen, right?
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I emailed the coordinator today, this is a particularly interesting excerpt of her reply:

"As for the format, we were hoping to do double elimination brackets, but numbers are low so now we are considering round robin to get fair play for all. We will finalize the details tomorrow and I will let you know."


Yeah... I am seriously worried about this one, as with everything (gas, hotel, etc.) included this one is going to cost us $350-400. I wanted :kenj: , but it looks like we're getting :chip:
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nalin wrote: double elimination brackets
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To add to the feeling of impending doom, Rom informed me this past weekend that one of this upcoming weekend's readers had been stumbling over words like emeritus at UIC's fall intramural.
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Also, what happened to minimum 10 guaranteed games, as per this link?
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In the extremely unlikely chance that someone either wants to give me a ride or help pay for my train ticket to Chicago and provide me a place to crash, I'd be willing to lend my help with staffing. It's probably not feasible at this point, but I guess it's worth putting out there.
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Habitat_Against_Humanity wrote:In the extremely unlikely chance that someone either wants to give me a ride or help pay for my train ticket to Chicago and provide me a place to crash, I'd be willing to lend my help with staffing. It's probably not feasible at this point, but I guess it's worth putting out there.
I'm assuming you are coming from Michigan. There should (crossing fingers) be an open spot in one of our cars..
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nalin wrote:"As for the format, we were hoping to do double elimination brackets, but numbers are low so now we are considering round robin to get fair play for all. We will finalize the details tomorrow and I will let you know."
I've just been in touch with the coordinator over email and am pleased to report that UIC is on board with our standard hosting policies, notably the ten-game minimum, so we will have some form of round-robin (depending a bit on how many teams the final field turns out to be).

Furthermore: there will be a staff discount, so teams should feel free to bring moderators along; please either note this in your team's registration on naqt.com or email me directly.

(Full announcement with schedule coming soon.)
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nalin wrote:I'm assuming you are coming from Michigan. There should (crossing fingers) be an open spot in one of our cars..
Yeah, I'd most likely be able to meet you in East Lansing. I'd be happy to give you guys a staffing discount. Should I contact someone about showing up as staff?
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Habitat_Against_Humanity wrote:I'd be happy to give you guys a staffing discount. Should I contact someone about showing up as staff?
Terrific. I'll go ahead and contact the host.
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I'm planning to be a reader, but got no reply from the contact I was given at UIC.

Could someone pass this along to the relevant person, or have them email me at sendhil at gmail dot com?

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I had absolutely nothing to do with UIC submitting its bid (claimed in October!) for this ICT.
I do not know Ruby Vega, who has been listed as the contact person on http://www.naqt.com
I know Joey Hampton, who has been coordinating fall campus tourneys for several seasons.

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With 7 teams in D1 & 8 teams in D2, we could have 15 rounds (7 game rooms, 14 matches, & 1 bye). Teams during byes could also help moderate. Would there be enough packets for 15 round-robin rounds + 1-2 playoffs? With the sizes of the fields for D1 & D2 so close, can D1 play D2 anyway? Should one more D1 squad register, we could have double round-robin (14 matches against the other 7 teams); however, teams traveling farther, like Notre Dame, might want more variety in their opponents.

What other concerns should I relay to Joey at our weekly Thursday late afternoon practice? UIC has just two fully functioning lockout systems but only two bulky darkroom timer clocks.

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EncyclopediaCDRom wrote:With 7 teams in D1 & 8 teams in D2, we could have 15 rounds (7 game rooms, 14 matches, & 1 bye). Teams during byes could also help moderate. Would there be enough packets for 15 round-robin rounds + 1-2 playoffs? With the sizes of the fields for D1 & D2 so close, can D1 play D2 anyway? Should one more D1 squad register, we could have double round-robin (14 matches against the other 7 teams); however, teams traveling farther, like Notre Dame, might want more variety in their opponents.
It is certainly not permitted to combine D1 and D2. Rules specifically state that with 4+ teams in each division, you must use separate fields because there are different questions for each division.

I believe there are 16 packets provided.
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Jon has it right: there are 16 packets, and the field size means that DI and DII will be separate.
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Hello,

My name is Joey Hampton and I am the advisor for the Academic Quiz Tournament at UIC.

We are looking forward to hosting the tournament this weekend. If anyone has any questions or concerns, my e-mail is [email protected], please contact me directly.

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I think, given everything, everyone would appreciate if you'd post a format in advance. A list of readers and staff would be useful, too.

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I echo Sorice's request. Also, we're planning on bringing approx. 4 staffers, including Sendhil above. When Sendhil signed up staff, he was asked whether he had experience moderating before - as it happened he did, but some of the people we're bringing haven't had much experience, but are competent readers and definitely competent scorekeepers. They won't be turned away if we bring them, will they?
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No, of course we won't turn away competent staffers.
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Captain Sinico wrote:I think, given everything, everyone would appreciate if you'd post a format in advance.
This SCT (like the others) will follow our format instructions found here.
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If you are coming to the event on Saturday and you are bringing staffers that could moderate or score keep please make a post and list them or email me directly. I will then be able to game plan volunteer wise. I will post this information on Friday when I have the most accurate count. Also does anyone need further information about parking or other transportation needs.

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Re: UIC SCT question

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My present count is this:

Chicago (approximately 4 staff)
Michigan State (1 staff)
UIC (some number of staff, depending on how many people decide to play on the house team instead of reading)

I note we also have seven teams in Division I, which means it will be possible to have some people scorekeep (or perhaps moderate, depending on experience) on their byes.
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Re: UIC SCT question

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bt_green_warbler wrote:
Captain Sinico wrote:I think, given everything, everyone would appreciate if you'd post a format in advance.
This SCT (like the others) will follow our format instructions found here.
I would like to see UIC post an actual format, as their previous communication has not indicated they're applying the information located there.

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I'd like to see a guarantee of DRR as well.
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I will have a clock - is there someone who I should tell that?
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cornfused wrote:I will have a clock - is there someone who I should tell that?
the page where you registered for this tournament
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Re: UIC SCT question

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The format for the UIC SCT will be DOUBLE ROUND ROBIN.

Thank you to all registered in the Region 8 NAQT Challenge on February 6th. Please note that registration starts as early as 8:00 a.m. We hope to begin the first matches of the day at 9:00 a.m. but no later than 9:30 a.m. Breakfast, lunch and snack will be provided.

The event will take place at UIC Student Center East, 750 S. Halsted Street, Chicago, Illinois, 60607. The parking structure is located directly across the street (Halsted and Taylor are cross streets). There is a meter lot where every 10 minutes is $.30. Adjacent to it is a ticket lot with hourly rates. On the weekends, however, it is $7.00 flat rate.

Please register at the table located in the lobby of Student Center East. From there you will be directed to the match locations. If you have any questions or concerns please feel free to email [email protected] or [email protected]. We look forward to seeing you this weekend. Good luck to all!

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Awesome--snack.
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Re: UIC SCT question

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Crazy Andy Watkins wrote:
cornfused wrote:I will have a clock - is there someone who I should tell that?
the page where you registered for this tournament
...was closed. Sent Ruby V. an email, it's all worked out.
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What was the over/under on "number of horribly disfigured sandwiches delivered to UChicago players"? David Seal's storied relationship with ham may never be the same (damning pictorial evidence attached).
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As long as he doesn't swear off hamshakes as a result of this.
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Perhaps David should be grateful for the fact that his cheese was missing. After all, A Maniacal Curd Shocks.

It's a good thing no one believes that ACF is impossible anymore. That was always A Canard's Comical Husk.

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