Better Stats
Better Stats
Does anyone have a better bunch of stats then PPTH, P/N, and bonus conversion to rank teams and players?
These statistics breakdown because of failing to account for field difficulty and because bonus conversion can potentially be on the basis of one bonus, which would give an unrealistic idea of how well a team can do. (Okay, so we did slaughter them 640-40, but they converted bonuses better!). Also, teams do not always have the same composition at each event. Any ideas?
These statistics breakdown because of failing to account for field difficulty and because bonus conversion can potentially be on the basis of one bonus, which would give an unrealistic idea of how well a team can do. (Okay, so we did slaughter them 640-40, but they converted bonuses better!). Also, teams do not always have the same composition at each event. Any ideas?
Watson Ladd
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Re: Better Stats
1. Presumably the new S-value, once released, will be better than anything currently available.
2. Don't knock bonus conversion. It's opponent-independent, and thus makes comparisons easy without accounting for field strength. As long as your sample size isn't so ridiculously small that you're actually trying to compare the team that 30'd Duck Hunt/Super Mario Bros./Punch Out with the team that got the other 19 bonuses, or trying to compare the team that got five ass-hard EuroFest bonuses in a row with a team that had a more even distribution (i.e. you're doing it over the course of a tournament, when presumably bonus variability averages out), it's a pretty good indicator of relative team strength.
3. We're waiting for BeES to show up, so we can compute fun stuff like words per buzz and the derived Player Subject Ratings.
2. Don't knock bonus conversion. It's opponent-independent, and thus makes comparisons easy without accounting for field strength. As long as your sample size isn't so ridiculously small that you're actually trying to compare the team that 30'd Duck Hunt/Super Mario Bros./Punch Out with the team that got the other 19 bonuses, or trying to compare the team that got five ass-hard EuroFest bonuses in a row with a team that had a more even distribution (i.e. you're doing it over the course of a tournament, when presumably bonus variability averages out), it's a pretty good indicator of relative team strength.
3. We're waiting for BeES to show up, so we can compute fun stuff like words per buzz and the derived Player Subject Ratings.
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Re: Better Stats
Quizbowler Created Stats
Most of them are for individual stats, and seem difficult to calculate by hand though.
Most of them are for individual stats, and seem difficult to calculate by hand though.
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Re: Better Stats
cvdwightw wrote: 3. We're waiting forBeESGodot to show up
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BuzzerZen wrote:cvdwightw wrote: 3. We're waiting forBeESGodot to show up with Duke Nukem Forever
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Yeah, seriously, when is BeES coming out? It sounds really cool, and I'd love to see it in action.BuzzerZen wrote:cvdwightw wrote: 3. We're waiting forBeESGodot to show up
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Re: Better Stats
Quite possibly, when nationals is decided on a question on The Sot-Weed Factor.Yeah, seriously, when is BeES coming out? It sounds really cool, and I'd love to see it in action.
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Re: Better Stats
An alternative name for marijuana is pot. For the championship and a pack of chocolate cigarettes, an alternative name for tobacco appears in the name of what John Barth work?Anti-Climacus wrote: Quite possibly, when nationals is decided on a question on The Sot-Weed Factor.
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Re: Better Stats
To get first dibs on an audio bonus on household appliances manufactured in Texas (hey, look! A Texas team on the panel! These questions were written months in advance, folks!), answer this pyramidal tossup: anagram "Theta screwed foot" into a Barth title.Anti-Climacus wrote:Quite possibly, when nationals is decided on a question on The Sot-Weed Factor.
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Re: Better Stats
Might as well announce it here, and not as a competitor to BeES, but I have been developing a question-reading program called JAGUARS ("[insert programmer whose first name starts with "J"] and Greg's User-friendly Automated Reading System). As soon as I can get a handle on doing a platform-independent GUI, I'll give it my best shot.
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I'm a programmer whose name starts with J!rjaguar3 wrote:Might as well announce it here, and not as a competitor to BeES, but I have been developing a question-reading program called JAGUARS ("[insert programmer whose first name starts with "J"] and Greg's User-friendly Automated Reading System). As soon as I can get a handle on doing a platform-independent GUI, I'll give it my best shot.
I'm also working on a scorekeeping system; it uses Python bindings for Qt, which is platform independent. Right now, I'm at the stage where one can successfully enter teams, players, and keep track of scores, as well as export the information in an XML file. I've contemplated adding question-reading as a feature, but for various reasons relating to having to parse Word files, this is a nontrivial thing to do.
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Re: Better Stats
Actually, I'm starting work with QBML files (I have a sample one based on Aegis kickoffs that I am trying to work with). The idea is to modify the files as games are played by inserting buzz tags into the file at the appropriate points, creating a modified file that a different module will be able to read to keep score, compile stats, and generate matches.grapesmoker wrote:I'm a programmer whose name starts with J!rjaguar3 wrote:Might as well announce it here, and not as a competitor to BeES, but I have been developing a question-reading program called JAGUARS ("[insert programmer whose first name starts with "J"] and Greg's User-friendly Automated Reading System). As soon as I can get a handle on doing a platform-independent GUI, I'll give it my best shot.
I'm also working on a scorekeeping system; it uses Python bindings for Qt, which is platform independent. Right now, I'm at the stage where one can successfully enter teams, players, and keep track of scores, as well as export the information in an XML file. I've contemplated adding question-reading as a feature, but for various reasons relating to having to parse Word files, this is a nontrivial thing to do.
Other modules I'm working on include a program to directly enter and manipulate questions and convert questions from QBML to OpenOffice, and from OpenOffice to QBML.
When this is all completed, I plan to release it for free under cc-by-sa.
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Re: Better Stats
That's a great plan. As someone who has explored the various options for how to achieve this, my advice is to keep in mind that whatever you do, you have to make it so that people can essentially plug and chug from Word; this is quite difficult to do and I've yet to find an elegant solution for it, so if you figure it out, let me know.rjaguar3 wrote:Actually, I'm starting work with QBML files (I have a sample one based on Aegis kickoffs that I am trying to work with). The idea is to modify the files as games are played by inserting buzz tags into the file at the appropriate points, creating a modified file that a different module will be able to read to keep score, compile stats, and generate matches.
Other modules I'm working on include a program to directly enter and manipulate questions and convert questions from QBML to OpenOffice, and from OpenOffice to QBML.
When this is all completed, I plan to release it for free under cc-by-sa.
Jerry Vinokurov
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Re: Better Stats
Jerry, just demand plain-text submissions for your next event. People will deal. This would be my plan if I were ever foolhardy enough to edit a tournament.grapesmoker wrote:That's a great plan. As someone who has explored the various options for how to achieve this, my advice is to keep in mind that whatever you do, you have to make it so that people can essentially plug and chug from Word; this is quite difficult to do and I've yet to find an elegant solution for it, so if you figure it out, let me know.
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Re: Better Stats
If I thought that would work I would have done it already.BuzzerZen wrote:Jerry, just demand plain-text submissions for your next event. People will deal. This would be my plan if I were ever foolhardy enough to edit a tournament.
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Re: Better Stats
the world should conform to the needs of my computer program instead of the other way around because ______
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Matt Weiner wrote:the world should conform to the needs of my computer program instead of the other way around because the world of reasonably intelligent quizbowlers doesn't need Word and my computer program sure as hell does not
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word is easy and I am lazy. convince me otherwise.everyday847 wrote:Matt Weiner wrote:the world should conform to the needs of my computer program instead of the other way around because the world of reasonably intelligent quizbowlers doesn't need Word and my computer program sure as hell does not
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When I copy/paste from Wikipedia into my questions, Notepad automatically removes links so my plagiarism is never cau--ohshitUkonvasara wrote:word is easy and I am lazy. convince me otherwise.everyday847 wrote:Matt Weiner wrote:the world should conform to the needs of my computer program instead of the other way around because the world of reasonably intelligent quizbowlers doesn't need Word and my computer program sure as hell does not
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soldeveryday847 wrote:When I copy/paste from Wikipedia into my questions, Notepad automatically removes links so my plagiarism is never cau--ohshitUkonvasara wrote:word is easy and I am lazy. convince me otherwise.everyday847 wrote:Matt Weiner wrote:the world should conform to the needs of my computer program instead of the other way around because the world of reasonably intelligent quizbowlers doesn't need Word and my computer program sure as hell does not
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Re: Better Stats
Because wants you to fight the man, Rob Carson!Ukonvasara wrote:word is easy and I am lazy. convince me otherwise.everyday847 wrote:Matt Weiner wrote:the world should conform to the needs of my computer program instead of the other way around because the world of reasonably intelligent quizbowlers doesn't need Word and my computer program sure as hell does not
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