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ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:49 pm
by CarletonQB
Carleton College is pleased to announce that it will host the ACF Winter North tournament in Northfield, Minnesota on January 18th, 2009. **Please note that due to the scheduling of a very large high school tournament in our area on Saturday January 17, for which lots and lots of moderators and buzzers are needed, ACF Winter North will take place on SUNDAY the 18th, a day after most of the other ACF Winter events.**

This is a packet-submission event and the difficulty is advertised as being similar to that of a regular-season event; harder than ACF Fall, but similar to the 07 and 08 iterations of Penn Bowl. For the full announcement of ACF Winter, please see viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6634

PACKET REQUIREMENT (quoted from the ACF website): "Any team with at least one person on it who played a regular, collegiate, academic quizbowl tournament prior to September 1, 2007 is required to submit a packet in order to participate in an ACF tournament in 2008-2009. All ACF tournaments, NAQT Division I or Division II SCT, NAQT ICT, and typical academic invitationals count as regular collegiate academic tournaments for this purpose, but trash or "hybrid" tournaments, College Bowl/HCASC, and tournaments played on NAQT "invitational series" questions do not. This test is applied to each individual team, not to your school's contingent as a whole."

Note: The no-penalty deadline for required packets is Dec. 13th, so we highly recommend teams begin getting together a packet if they are required to submit.

FEES (per ACF):
Base fee: $120
Buzzer systems: -$5 each
Staffers: -$10 each
Laptop: -$5 each (max 1 per team)
Travel: -$10 for every 200 miles traveled
International: -$20
Teams new to ACF: -$25
Teams new to quizbowl: -$75
High school teams: -$50

LOCATION/TIME: Unless altered by a subsequent announcement and email to registered teams, teams should expect to gather in the large auditorium of Olin Hall (Olin 149) for registration from 8:45 to 9:15, with play expected to begin as close as possible to 9:30.

LODGING: Teams needing to stay overnight may wish to reserve lodging at one of the following Northfield motels:
Country Inn Motel: (507) 645-2286 or (800) 456-4000 (closest to Carleton - not that anything's far in Northfield)
Super 8 Motel: (507) 663-0371 or (800) 800-8000
AmericInn: (507) 645-7761 or (800) 634-3444
College City Motel: (507) 645-4426 or (800) 775-0455

CONTACT: If you have any other questions or would like to register for this tournament, please send email to ehillema at carleton dot edu. Please be advised that I will be out of the country with at best occasional email access between Dec. 27 and Jan. 5; if your question during that time requires a prompt reply, send email also to ryang at carleton dot edu.

Eric Hillemann
Carleton Academic Quiz Team

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:56 pm
by Cheynem
Another possible hit to my Sabbath-observing regimen. :neutral:

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:49 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
Damn... this is on Sunday and Michigan is really far away.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:49 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
Well, Lawrence will be sending a team.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:34 pm
by Captain Sinico
cornfused wrote:Damn... this is on Sunday...
Oh no! How inconvenient for attendees!

MaS

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:42 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
Captain Scipio wrote:
cornfused wrote:Damn... this is on Sunday...
Oh no! How inconvenient for attendees!
MaS
Touché.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:43 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
cornfused wrote:
Captain Scipio wrote:
cornfused wrote:Damn... this is on Sunday...
Oh no! How inconvenient for attendees!
MaS
Touché.
Though, admittedly, half or possibly 2/3 of the T-Party mirror's field wouldn't have been able to make it on Saturday.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:39 pm
by Gautam
We should be there with a few teams.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:09 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
Field update?

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:07 pm
by gaurav.kandlikar
Eden Prairie hs should be there with 1 team.

Gaurav Kandlikar

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:40 am
by CarletonQB
The field at present (updated 1/12):

Carleton - 3
Eden Prairie H.S. - 1
Iowa - 1
Lawrence - 1
Minnesota - 2

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:23 pm
by Gautam
No St. Olaf when this is right in their back yard....

Disappointing.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:09 pm
by theMoMA
Count on Minnesota for two teams. I don't think we have enough interest for three, but I will let you know as soon as possible if a third team materializes.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:54 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
Okay, so that's an eight-team field with three teams (Iowa, Lawrence and Minnesota) having submitted. Will we be doing a full RR followed by the...

Partial Submission Round Robin (8 rounds, 4 rooms, 7 g.p.t.)
Rd. Room 1 Room 2 Room 3 Room 4 Bye
1 1-8 2-7 3-6 4-5 ---
2 7-8 1-6 2-5 3-4 ---
3 6-7 5-8 1-4 2-3 ---
4 5-6 4-7 3-8 1-2 ---
5 3-5 2-6 1-7 --- 4,8
6 2-4 1-5 6-8 --- 3,7
7 1-3 4-8 5-7 --- 2,6
8 2-8 3-7 4-6 --- 1,5

...that Seth mentioned in another thread, or will the format be something else?

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:31 pm
by dtaylor4
Or, based on the fact that there are 14 blind packets:

8-team RR
4/4 rebracket (submissions may be used to play off, depending on teams involved)
2 for finals.
This uses the 14 blind packets, and gets you more quizbowl.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:52 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
dtaylor4 wrote:Or, based on the fact that there are 14 blind packets:

8-team RR
4/4 rebracket (submissions may be used to play off, depending on teams involved)
2 for finals.
8-team RR: 7 rounds, no byes, 7 games per team
4/4 rebracket: 6 rounds, no byes, 6 games per team
2 for finals: 2 rounds, no one can be guaranteed a bye, 2 games per team
dtaylor4 wrote: This uses the 14 blind packets, and gets you more quizbowl.
Your schedule is 15 packets long - 13 plus two for finals. That means it gets each team 13 guaranteed rounds instead of the 14 that I proposed - less quizbowl. But if Carleton doesn't decide which packets are the finals packets until the finals actually happen, your way would work, too.

But why run a schedule that guarantees one fewer round while leaving one more packets unused? Are byes that awful?

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:04 pm
by naturalistic phallacy
Byes are only good when yours occurs after lunch.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:47 am
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
Personally, I'd rather play one packet over two rounds than none over none.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:16 pm
by CarletonQB
The format for our 8-team tournament with 3 teams having submitted packets will indeed be full round robin (7 rounds), followed by partial submission round robin (8 rounds, 7 games per team), with 2 packets remaining for finals as needed.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:16 pm
by sam.peterson
So, I know this is very late, but could Michael Wright and I enter as the ninth team at the tournament?

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:49 pm
by CarletonQB
Eeee. That IS late! Within the last hour I finished drawing up our match schedule for eight teams, printed it, etc. But yes, Sam, since it doesn't add to the number of readers I lined up, you and Michael can still get in; I'll make a new schedule for nine teams. Full RR, followed by a 5/4 break, I guess. See you Sunday.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:00 pm
by sam.peterson
Oh, shoot. So sorry to do that to you -- the team didn't materialize until late last night. Thanks so much for accommodating us. Again, I'm really sorry to mess things up. See you there.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:56 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
Eric - what do you mean by a 5/4 break? A 5-team RR takes 5 rounds to complete and a 4-team RR takes 3...

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:52 pm
by CarletonQB
What I meant by a 5/4 break was breaking after the initial full round robin into an upper bracket of 5 and a lower bracket of 4 for secondary round robins. So yes, 5 more rounds (4 more games per team and a bye) for the top 5; 3 more rounds (no byes) for the bottom 4. 14 rounds read, with 2 more packets reserved for finals, and 1 for any tiebreaks to play-in to the upper bracket.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:16 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
CarletonQB wrote:What I meant by a 5/4 break was breaking after the initial full round robin into an upper bracket of 5 and a lower bracket of 4 for secondary round robins. So yes, 5 more rounds (4 more games per team and a bye) for the top 5; 3 more rounds (no byes) for the bottom 4. 14 rounds read, with 2 more packets reserved for finals, and 1 for any tiebreaks to play-in to the upper bracket.
Okay, I completely understood what you meant, then. I was surprised by the two-game disparity, but I guess the lesson is to finish in the top 5.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:10 pm
by Cheynem
A
B
W

Always Be Winning.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:50 am
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
Indeed. Should be a great tournament, though, especially for 2nd-7th or so.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:57 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
Roads were bad, but Lawrence is safely in Northfield.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:05 pm
by OctagonJoe
Results for prelims and playoffs.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:12 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
OctagonJoe wrote:playoffs.
Just so you know, these are a) missing Lawrence-Iowa and b) awkward. Is an overall stats available?

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:13 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
cornfused wrote:Is an overall stats available?
That's even more awkward. But you know what I mean.

Thanks to Carleton for a reasonably well-run tournament.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:13 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
Also, who won the final?

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:21 pm
by OctagonJoe
I don't have the stats sheets, but I'll try to figure out what's up with the missing game. As for the "final", Iowa and Minnesota agreed to simply have their last game be the final instead of playing and then having an advantaged final. Minnesota won, which should be in the playoff stats.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:49 pm
by CarletonQB
Final overall standings:

1. Minnesota A (11-1)
2. Iowa (10-2)
3. Carleton A (7-5)
4. tie Peterson/Wright (6-6)
4. tie Lawrence (6-6)
6. Minnesota B (5-6)
7. tie Carleton C (3-8)
7. tie Eden Prairie High School (3-8)
9. Carleton B (2-9)

The second meeting between Minnesota and Iowa, in the final scheduled playoff round, with both teams then having a 10-1 record, became by mutual agreement the deciding "finals" match; Minnesota won that game 410-155. Minnesota's earlier loss was to Iowa; Iowa's earlier loss was to Lawrence.

Congratulations to Andrew, Brendan, Gautam and Rob for an impressive win of both the overall and undergraduate titles, and to Paul and Quentin for their strong second. And special thanks to the moderators besides myself -- Emily Pike, Mike Olson, Samantha Ross -- and statistician -- Emily Kawaler -- who gave us their entire Sunday to help the tournament play out smoothly.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:59 pm
by Gautam
Yeah,

Many thanks to Carleton for hosting this tournament. It ran very well.

Also, many thanks to the moderators for reading yesterday.

Gautam

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:22 pm
by theMoMA
It was great to have Carleton host this tournament. Thanks for doing an excellent job; everything ran smoothly. I'm really glad to see the recent trend of teams in the Minnesota-Iowa region hosting tournaments.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:48 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
OctagonJoe wrote:I don't have the stats sheets, but I'll try to figure out what's up with the missing game.
Iowa 200, Lawrence 215
Iowa: Paul 8 2, Quentin 1 0, either Paul or Quentin 0 1 (the Queen Mary tossup)
Lawrence: Greg 5 0, Michael 2 0, Emily 1 1, James 0 0
Bonuses: Iowa 9 125 13.89, Lawrence 8 140 17.50

Technically, Lawrence was D2, too.

Also, would a combined prelims-playoffs file be possible?

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:58 pm
by theMoMA
cornfused wrote:Also, would a combined prelims-playoffs file be possible?
Seconding this.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:05 pm
by OctagonJoe
If those stats aren't going to be disputed, I can enter them in. I was planning on combining the playoffs and prelims once I had those stats available as per another's request.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:52 am
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
OctagonJoe wrote:If those stats aren't going to be disputed, I can enter them in. I was planning on combining the playoffs and prelims once I had those stats available as per another's request.
Actually, I counted again and I was 6 0, so it should read "Greg 6 0" and "Lawrence 9 130 14.44". Also, I'm
But yeah, I'm pretty sure of those stats, just I don't have a definite answer on who got what for Iowa. However, I'm pretty sure that Quentin did, in fact, get the Van Allen belts question, so that means that Iowa is Paul 7 2, Quentin 2 0, plus the Elizabeth for Mary neg that I think was Paul's. But Iowa certainly totals 9 3.

Definitely Paul: neg on Snow Country, neg on 15th Amendment, Aurangzeb, Burial of Count Orgaz, Idea of Order at Key West, Pistons-Pacers, Zimbardo, Upanishads, Far from the Madding Crowd.

Definitely Quentin: Hall effect

Not sure: Van Allen belts, neg on Mary I


Lawrence is me 6 0, Em 1 1, and Michael 2 0 for sure, and two tossups (the first two, actually) definitely went dead.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:50 pm
by OctagonJoe
Alright the combined stats are up, and hopefully everything looks good.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:42 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
OctagonJoe wrote:Alright the combined stats are up, and hopefully everything looks good.
Yep, except that Peterson/Wright against Lawrence, episode 1, is still listed as round 0 and not round 3.

Thanks for putting in the extra effort, Carsten.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:52 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
Wow - against Carleton A the second time, Minnesota A got fourteen tossups and negged the other six - twenty buzzes against a quality team.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:55 pm
by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
If I neg 18 tossups against Brown and get 2 tossups, that means I've made 20 buzzes against a quality team too.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:58 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
I'm aware of that. It makes a difference that 14 of them were right. I'm mostly commenting on "Wow, aggressive" and not "Wow, amazing," though.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:43 pm
by OctagonJoe
Fixed that round error so round reports would have a more complete meaning. I think the prelims and the new combined stats should be good now. The playoff stats have some errors, but I think you can figure out what you need from the combined stats.

Re: ACF Winter North @ Carleton College (1/18/09)

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:23 pm
by theMoMA
OctagonJoe wrote:Fixed that round error so round reports would have a more complete meaning. I think the prelims and the new combined stats should be good now. The playoff stats have some errors, but I think you can figure out what you need from the combined stats.
Thanks for doing this, Carsten.