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...'cause Lawrence is coming to ICT. My whole team has abandoned me, though... so I'm currently putting together a dream team of smartish people who have never touched a buzzer. Should be fun.


But now for the real reason for this thread: feel free to discuss the ICT field here. MIT declined their Div I bid, and Berkeley won't be playing Div II... anyone know why? And, um, whosagonnawinnit? (Div I and II)
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We're not doing Div I because three A-teamers have exams the Friday of ICT; we're sending a Div II team instead. Incidentally, though, we'll be at ACF Nationals in full force, which will be more representative of our abilities anyway.

Outside of "who's going?" gossip, I expect this to be a really competitive year--I wouldn't be at all surprised at a Chicago-Maryland-Brown circle of death at the top of the field.
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We suck at NAQT questions, and I'd be surprised if we finished in the top 3.
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Stanford, Illinois, and Vanderbilt are the other contenders for top 3 spots.
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I'd personally put more stock in Illinois making the top 3 here over Brown since they seem to have found a competent NAQT player in Greg Baboukis along with Donald and this one other guy on their team who gets a few tossups here and there. But I'm with Matt, I think this will be a really tough upper bracket far beyond just the top 3, and I think any of those 6 teams could take the title home based on the stats and what I've heard/seen.
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What teams will be undergrad-eligible? I'm pretty sure Billy said FSU would be, and we'll be... who else?
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Matt Weiner wrote:Stanford, Illinois, and Vanderbilt are the other contenders for top 3 spots.
While it would be pretty sweet if this were true, we're kind of manic depressive when it comes to NAQT. We can beat a bad team by 100 and a good team by 400 [edit: that means we can also lose to a good team by 300]. A lot will depend on who we play on the down rounds I guess.
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I'm liking Maryland to win ICT for format-related reasons (assuming a Magin/Meigs/Ray/Bentley lineup). I don't think Maryland's lack of a true science player is going to hurt them all that much, since Magin and Chris Ray can fraud enough science to keep them in close games. In addition, Charles Meigs will almost certainly be the best geography player at ICT, and a Meigs/Bentley combo gives them excellent trash coverage. This gives Maryland a distinct advantage in two categories that NAQT heavily emphasizes, while what I perceive as their biggest weakness isn't going to hurt them a lot.

Stanford is probably still wrestling with where to place Kevin Koai. If he goes on Stanford B, I think they become the favorite for D1 Undergrad. If he goes on Stanford A, that team becomes just that much more dangerous.

We're adding Brendan to our SCT lineup, so I'm optimistic that we can squeak into the top bracket and maybe make some noise.
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NoahMinkCHS wrote:What teams will be undergrad-eligible? I'm pretty sure Billy said FSU would be, and we'll be... who else?
Harvard should be, and I'm sure they'll contend for the UG title.
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cvdwightw wrote:I'm liking Maryland to win ICT for format-related reasons (assuming a Magin/Meigs/Ray/Bentley lineup). I don't think Maryland's lack of a true science player is going to hurt them all that much, since Magin and Chris Ray can fraud enough science to keep them in close games. In addition, Charles Meigs will almost certainly be the best geography player at ICT, and a Meigs/Bentley combo gives them excellent trash coverage. This gives Maryland a distinct advantage in two categories that NAQT heavily emphasizes, while what I perceive as their biggest weakness isn't going to hurt them a lot.

Stanford is probably still wrestling with where to place Kevin Koai. If he goes on Stanford B, I think they become the favorite for D1 Undergrad. If he goes on Stanford A, that team becomes just that much more dangerous.

We're adding Brendan to our SCT lineup, so I'm optimistic that we can squeak into the top bracket and maybe make some noise.
Jeremy Eaton will actually be the 4th player on our team instead of myself.
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Dartmouth will be UG as well.
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Minnesota may be UG-eligible, but our two most likely fourths are a fifth-year undergrad and a med student, so if they come we're out this year.
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Alabama will be UG, with the exact same lineup at we had at D2 last year. I look for Maryland to take the overall title, with Harvard taking UG, especially considering they return all of their team that finished 2nd to the monster UG team that was Carleton last year.
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Skate or Die wrote:Minnesota may be UG-eligible, but our two most likely fourths are a fifth-year undergrad and a med student, so if they come we're out this year.
It's now more likely that Minnesota will be Undergrad-eligible, as our fourth will likely be a fellow sophomore. This could change, however.
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In the yearly "Most People Don't Care about These Predictions" category, I'll offer that I figure that Chipola College (a CC in the Florida Panhandle that offers a limited number of bachelor's degrees and hence isn't called a CC, though it is) is the favorite to win the Community College title. My Valencia team split matches with them at FSU's Penn Bowl mirror, and I'm glad to see that they're one of the handful of CC programs that's attending four-year tourneys and reading the archive and such. Gulf Coast CC, last year's runner-up, comes back with three of its four players from last year, but I don't know if they practice on non-Florida-CC type questions enough to win it all. We're practicing hard to see if we can catch up to both of them.

I don't know enough about Faulkner or Georgia Perimeter to know if they'll be factors, but I look forward to seeing them in St. Louis.
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Not that the Stanford team will listen to me when figuring out their roster, but I just want to say that I hope Kevin Koai plays for an undergrad team.
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Any picks for the Div II top bracket? (Lawrence is going to have me, Richard, and a science guy who might in fact be very good, plus one more... I personally think we'll be right around the top bracket/second bracket split)

Other than that, though, I don't really know much about Div II-ness. The natural suspects are MIT, Carleton, Carnegie Mellon, Stanford, WUStL, and the four Ivies. I know very little about Toronto, Wake Forest, Swat, or even Truman State, though, not to mention the CCs. Anyone care to make a real prediction?
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Cornell, Dartmouth, Carleton, Lawrence, Truman State, Swarthmore, and Carnegie Mellon all had pretty good numbers at Sectionals. It's hard to predict how the difficulty jump will affect any given team, though.
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Then my question is: How severe IS the difficulty jump? I mean, I know the answer space is different, but are we talking ACF Regionals kind of answers? To me, SCT Div II seemed about the same level as HSNCT 2007... but I have very little idea what to expect.

I'm probably going to buy ICT Div II 2007, 2005, 2004, 2003, and ICT Div I 2006, though, just to see what they've been like. Hell, if I have enough time, I'll try and pull a Subash and memorize the leadins...
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I'd be willing to bet on Dartmouth in Div II. They have a beastfrosh.
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Kyle wrote:I'd be willing to bet on Dartmouth in Div II. They have a beastfrosh.
The term is "beast frosh" Kyle.
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BuzzerZen wrote:
Kyle wrote:I'd be willing to bet on Dartmouth in Div II. They have a beastfrosh.
The term is "beast frosh" Kyle.
ESPN actually used this exact term to describe Michale Beasley the other day.
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theMoMA wrote:
BuzzerZen wrote:
Kyle wrote:I'd be willing to bet on Dartmouth in Div II. They have a beastfrosh.
The term is "beast frosh" Kyle.
ESPN actually used this exact term to describe Michale Beasley the other day.
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Not that we'll be a contender, but Harding will probably be UG eligible.
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