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Postseason Poll

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:23 am
by Cheynem
(Player poll coming soon)

This is the announcement for the postseason poll for collegiate teams.

Please do not post ballots in the thread. Do not vote for high school teams. You can vote for B teams. Ballots must contain 25 teams. E-mail them to me at chey0004 AT umn DOT edu by May 12.

Last poll results, plus finishes at the nationals (ICT ranking, followed by Nats ranking)

1. Maryland (4th, 1st)
2. Michigan (1st, 2nd)
3. Chicago A (tied for 5th, 5th)
4. Yale (tied for 5th, 3rd)
5. Stanford (3rd, 6th)
6. Berkeley A (7th, 9th)
7. Penn (DNP, 7th)
8. Northwestern (2nd, tied for 11th)
9. Columbia (9th, 4th)
10. Oxford (DNP, 8th)
11. Ohio State (3rd in DII, DNP)
12. Louisville (tied for 27th--not full roster, DNP)
13. Oklahoma (16th, DNP)
14. Minnesota (10th, tied for 14th)
15. Chicago B (tied for 14th, 13th)
16. Harvard (9th in DII, tied for 21st)
17. MIT (tied for 19th, tied for 23rd)
18. Princeton (DNP, tied for 16th)
19. Brown (DNP, DNP)
20. Virginia (tied for 14th, tied for 21st)
21. Duke (25th, tied for 16th [did lose tiebreaker to Princeton])
22. Missouri (tied for 11th, DNP)
23. Toronto (tied for 11th, tied for 14th)
24. Berkeley B (18th, 10th)
25. WUSTL (tied for 11th, tied for 11th)

Teams That Finished in the Top at a Nationals But Not Ranked:

McGill (8th, DNP)
Florida (17th, tied for 26th)
NYU (tied for 19th, 29th)
Michigan B (tied for 19th, DNP)
Kenyon (22nd, DNP)
Amherst (23rd, 30th)
UCSD (24th, DNP)
Oxford B (DNP, tied for 16th)
Chicago C (7th at DII, 19th)
Rutgers (8th at DII, 20th)
Cambridge (DNP, 25th)
Johns Hopkins (DNP, tied for 23rd)

Re: Postseason Poll

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:25 am
by Gen. Winfield Scott Hancock
Would people like to do another postseason roundtable to discuss the teams this year?

Re: Postseason Poll

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:41 am
by Red Panda Cub
We came 8th at Nats and Berkeley A came 9th, not the other way around.

Re: Postseason Poll

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:17 am
by Cheynem
You're right, I was looking at the wrong stats. I'll correct the rankings.

Re: Postseason Poll

Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 6:31 pm
by Cheynem
I've got five ballots in, but would obviously like more.

Re: Postseason Poll

Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 7:18 pm
by naan/steak-holding toll
I feel this thread shouldn't go without discussion, hence I shall present some theses.

1) Columbia should be ranked very highly. As much as Columbia wasn't really a super cohesive team this year, they put up really good numbers at both nationals. They managed to get fourth place at ACF Nationals while missing a member of their A-team (beating Chicago and Michigan along the way) and took 9th at ICT after an upset to McGill. Looking towards next year, it's worth noting that this team stays together and Kevin Koai is still around if they can fish him out - I think they'll be looking to build on their finish.

2) Missouri and WUSTL about as good as, or better than, several teams they got ranked below mid-season. These teams are both led by well-rounded good players with specialty areas in which they scale up very well (history for Charles, myth/lit/visual art for Itamar) and ability to scale breadth-wise as well. I also think it's worth factoring in that Itamar only got to play ICT, which is a weaker distribution for him than mACF.

3) The Canadians proved themselves. This goes beyond McGill sneaking into the top bracket - Toronto getting 11th and 14th at Nationals shouldn't be overlooked, especially in light of the fact that they were ranked 24th beforehand. Their stats weren't stunning or anything, but it's getting the W that counts.

Re: Postseason Poll

Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 10:54 pm
by singlet oxygen
I'd like to point out that Oklahoma didn't have our full lineup at ICT as our second-best player Maia was studying abroad this semester

Re: Postseason Poll

Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 11:50 pm
by Lighthouse Expert Elinor DeWire
Periplus of the Erythraean Sea wrote: 3) The Canadians proved themselves. This goes beyond McGill sneaking into the top bracket - Toronto getting 11th and 14th at Nationals shouldn't be overlooked, especially in light of the fact that they were ranked 24th beforehand. Their stats weren't stunning or anything, but it's getting the W that counts.
McGill - honestly I have no idea how good we are, I don't even know which three of us would make the best support for Derek. We made the top bracket because of some untimely negs from the opponents and because Louisville was missing Kurtis. Simulate a hundred ICTs with the same field but different prelims and I think we're top 3rd bracket most of the time?

More concretely, Derek outperformed Charles in the morning with twice the powers with the same other opponents and more contribution from teammates.

Toronto - Toronto is probably better than the numbers suggest, they incredibly prone to self-destruction if things don't go their way or are suffering from a lack of food/sleep. They could have easily come 2-5 at Nats prelims but instead recovered. With their shits together, even without learning more things, they could do a lot better.

Re: Postseason Poll

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 1:11 am
by armitage
I can't imagine a team that doesn't do better or worse depending on their mood and how much sleep they got.

Berkeley B's top bracket run looks very compelling - knocking off Northwestern after their cinderella run and Penn for good measure, wish I had a chance to do that at my first Nats. Seems like a substantially different team from the one that placed 18th at ICT as well.

Re: Postseason Poll

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 12:37 pm
by Banana Stand
armitage wrote:I can't imagine a team that doesn't do better or worse depending on their mood and how much sleep they got.

Berkeley B's top bracket run looks very compelling - knocking off Northwestern after their cinderella run and Penn for good measure, wish I had a chance to do that at my first Nats. Seems like a substantially different team from the one that placed 18th at ICT as well.
I think it's at least worth mentioning the difference in roster, with a veteran Michael Coates playing down on B at Nats. Actually, the only player on Berkeley B at both nationals was Eric Chen, so yeah, definitely a substantially different team than the one seen at ICT.

Re: Postseason Poll

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 6:34 pm
by Nabonidus
Aaron Manby (ironmaster) wrote:McGill - honestly I have no idea how good we are, I don't even know which three of us would make the best support for Derek.
Not you, with that attitude

Re: Postseason Poll

Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 10:44 pm
by Cheynem
Here are the results. I decided to do the results now, as opposed to tomorrow morning.

Voters: Will Alston, Bruce Arthur, Charles Hang, Andrew Hart, Ryan Humphrey, Jasper Lee, Stephen Liu, Evan Lynch, Jack Mehr, Jacob Reed, Adam Sperber, Conor Thompson, Eric Xu, and Richard Yu

1. Michigan A (348, highest #1, lowest #2, 12 1st place votes), +1
2. Maryland (338, highest #1, lowest #2, 2 1st place votes), -1
3. Yale (317, highest #3, lowest #5), +1
4. Stanford (301, highest #3, lowest #6), +1
5. Chicago A (299, highest #3, lowest #7), -2
6. Columbia (283, highest #4, lowest #8), +3
7. Northwestern (261, highest #5, lowest #9), +1
8. Penn (249, highest #6, lowest #11), -1
9. Berkeley A (236, highest #7, lowest #11), -3
10. Oxford A (233, highest #8, lowest #11), same
11. Minnesota (196, highest #10, lowest #14), +3
12. Ohio State (167, highest #8), -1
13. Chicago B (166, highest #11, lowest #18), +2
14. WUSTL (149, highest #11, lowest #25), +11
15. McGill (134, highest #12, lowest #22), new
16. Toronto (131, highest #14, lowest #23), +7
17. Berkeley B (124, highest #11), +7
18. Princeton (98, highest #14, lowest #22), same
19. Louisville (95, highest #13), -7
20. Oklahoma (91, highest #13), -7
21. Missouri (86, highest #13), +1
22. Virginia (69, highest #17), -2
23. Harvard (56, highest #17), -7
24. Duke (45, highest #19), -3
25. MIT (40, highest #18), -8

Dropping Out: Brown

Also Receiving Votes: Cambridge (13), Chicago C (6), Florida (5), Michigan B (3), Oxford B (3), Brown (2), Kenyon (2), and Rutgers (2)

Thanks for voting, everyone.