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Player movement/retirement thread

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:50 pm
by suds1000
Now that the national tournaments are over, I'm curious to hear which graduating/transferring players are moving where next year. Here are some of the rumors I've heard (please confirm or deny any of these you know about):

Sudheer Potru --> fifth year at UIUC
Mike Sorice --> grad school at UIUC until forever, at which point he will become sterile from various forms of nuclear radiation
Dom Ricci --> Ph.D. thesis defense in October/November

Matt Lafer --> actual gainful employment, at least temporarily
Leo Wolpert --> CS graduate school at UCSD (i.e. effective retirement)?
Zeke Berdichevsky --> retirement, supposedly
Ryan Westbrook --> law school at UIUC?

Chris Frankel --> effective fifth year at Princeton

Jerry Vinokurov --> ?

Subash Maddipoti --> retirement?

Matt Weiner --> ?

Micha Elsner --> grad school, Fred may have mentioned?

Yogesh Raut --> ?

Dan Suzman --> medical school of some kind?

That's all the people I can think of for now...feel free to chime in if you're graduating or moving somewhere, or if you know what's going on with any of these people.

Re: Player movement/retirement thread

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:00 pm
by Leo Wolpert
Here's some reality:

Leo Wolpert --> University of Virginia for CS Graduate School.

Ryan Westbrook --> Wayne State University or University of Michigan for Law School.

Jerry Vinokurov --> Brown for Graduate studies of some sort.

Micha Elsner --> Brown for Graduate studies of some sort.

Matt Weiner --> At least one more semester at VCU.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:36 pm
by Skepticism and Animal Feed
I'd be curious as to the fate of Jason Mueller.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:51 pm
by PRStoetzer
Kevin Roth is heading to Eastern Europe with the Peace Corps and then will likely attend graduate school, but has pretty much indicated his retirement from quiz bowl.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:16 pm
by AuguryMarch
not sure if I'm playing or what, but I'm probably going to be starting a phd program at Carnegie Mellon. (might defer, in which case I'd be starting at CMU in fall of 2006 instead).

Re: Player movement/retirement thread

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:21 pm
by grapesmoker
Leo Wolpert wrote: Jerry Vinokurov --> Brown for Graduate studies of some sort.
Physics, actually. Brown was the only bunch of suckers I managed to fool into accepting me, so I'll be seeing many of you guys next year. Hopefully Micah will want to continue playing and we can get a team started there.

Jerry

EDIT: Ray Luo, who was on our ACF Nationals team this year, is going to UCLA for graduate school.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:02 pm
by QuizBowlRonin
Good luck in Providence, Yuri.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:12 pm
by Trey
1. I think I speak for most pedestrians when I say I'm glad to hear of Sorice's impending sterilization.
2. Brown could be a scary, scary team next year.
3. Allegedly Vik Vaz will be doing clinical rotations in Austin and may become part of the UT team.
4. Will Frankel be back for fall and spring, or just fall?
5. Is Fred returning?
6. Are the rumors of the Second Retirement of Subash based on fact, or is this just rampant ass-speculation? If genuine, will Yaphe replace him with the remainder of the Chicago configuration unchanged?

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:43 pm
by Theory Of The Leisure Flask
Fred indicated to me that he would certainly (but probably only) retire if Rochester won CBI Nationals, which means you may be seeing more of him next year. Maybe.

As mentioned before, I'm going out into the real world, where I will most likely be a homeless bum for a year or two and run back to the "comfort" of grad school at the first possible opportunity.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:57 pm
by Chris Frankel
Actually I'll be back in Princeton only for the spring semester, since they only allow people to take full years off at a time so they can standardize graduation for the spring.

As for after that, I may reapply to UT law since I got accepted this past cycle and would want to live in Texas after graduation, but chances are mostly that next spring will be my last semester of college qb, as I'm quite sick of school and want to get out into the real world.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:22 pm
by mps4a_mps4a
i'm worse than i think everyone in this thread, but i'm doing teach for america in DC and will be taking classes at American. If they have a team (they went to one tournament last year), there's a 50% chance I'll play.

Side-note: If I'm getting my Teacher Certification but not getting a Master's (not sure which I'm doing yet), can I play? If I can't, that would help make that decision much easier.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:41 pm
by Matt Weiner
[quote="mps4a_mps4a]Side-note: If I'm getting my Teacher Certification but not getting a Master's (not sure which I'm doing yet), can I play? If I can't, that would help make that decision much easier.[/quote]

My reading of the NAQT and ACF eligibility rules say yes, since you are taking classes for credit towards something. You may want to mail NAQT to be sure but I doubt anyone else will have a problem.

I'd also like to remind everyone that this much-discussed beast known as "retirement" has never actually been spotted in the wild, and as long as the people mentioned here are still enrolled somewhere you can expect them all to show up at one or more tournaments next year with 100% certainty.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:45 pm
by Dan Greenstein
Trey wrote:1. I think I speak for most pedestrians when I say I'm glad to hear of Sorice's impending sterilization.
You did mean to say pediatricians, right?
mps4a_mps4a wrote:i'm worse than i think everyone in this thread, but i'm doing teach for america in DC and will be taking classes at American. If they have a team (they went to one tournament last year), there's a 50% chance I'll play.

Side-note: If I'm getting my Teacher Certification but not getting a Master's (not sure which I'm doing yet), can I play? If I can't, that would help make that decision much easier.
I have seen American at a few events in the past few years.

Although I am not completely sure, I believe taking classes in a certificate program makes you eligible for ACF and NAQT, and by extension other circuit tournaments, since circuit tournaments also tend to use the criterion of taking classes toward the fulfillment of an academic "piece of paper," whereas just taking adult education or random film classes a la John Nam might not cut it. For example, a few years ago, Mike Starsinic played for Maryland while taking classes toward some kind of statistics certification. He talked to NAQT and he was allowed to play in SCT and ICT. You may want to contact NAQT to determine your eligibility.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:03 pm
by mps4a_mps4a
thanks, matt and dan.

and john kenney is perhaps the exception that proves the rule. To my knowledge, he's not played in a single tournament since graduating UVA and going to Penn for his PhD. He showed up to Penn Bowl whatever two years to say hi to our team, but he didn't play and I don't think he even moderated.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:10 pm
by STPickrell
Matt Weiner wrote:I'd also like to remind everyone that this much-discussed beast known as "retirement" has never actually been spotted in the wild, and as long as the people mentioned here are still enrolled somewhere you can expect them all to show up at one or more tournaments next year with 100% certainty.
Now, now, I actually retired back in 2000 after getting married.

And yes, Morgan, since you're working towards a degree in something or other, or a certification in something or other, you can play. Ditto if your work makes you take classes (I think that was the case for Mike S. those many years ago.)

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:29 pm
by No Rules Westbrook
My reading of NAQT eligibility is that you must take classes toward some degree. ACF eligibility from everything I can see merely requires that you take a class, somehow maintaining an "affiliation" with a university. Is this not true?

If this is the case, I'll play ACF for Michigan no matter whether I go to law school there or not, as I'll still be "affiliated" with them through certain classes. I'm fully prepared to suffer the consequences of playing NAQT as wayne state if need be.

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:51 pm
by creed_of_hubris
Trey wrote: 5. Is Fred returning?
Although I'll still be working on the PhD, I will not be living in Rochester next year so the likelihood of me playing is quite low.

I was gonna officially retire if we won a "national title" and may still.