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Re: Minnesota Open Discussion

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:10 pm
by Mike Bentley
grapesmoker wrote:
Cheynem wrote:I guess that's fair...but I didn't. I mean, was this like confusing to someone? Did someone think this was like a specific series of Bourke White photographs or like some weird-ass tossup on "Twentieth Century Photographs"? Unless this question was drastically confusing (which I maintain, if you know what's going on, I'm not sure why it would be), then this is really coming down to just an aesthetic difference in answer lines, which is understandable if fruitless to discuss. I used "Photos of Bourke-White" as an answer-line, you wouldn't, and that's great.
I thought it was perfectly clear what was being asked for.
Eh, I was a little confused. Maybe it was some series by Bourke-White or something? I ultimately figured it out, but just asking about Bourke-White would have probably been clearer.

For what it's worth, like Auroni, I buzzed in on Porter after determining it was "the protagonist of Look Back in Anger" and couldn't remember his name. But I can probably see the argument that this guy is famous enough to be tossed up in his own right.

Re: Minnesota Open Discussion

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:45 pm
by Pilgrim
grapesmoker wrote:Again, I felt like the "he changed his super-Jewish name" anecdote was not terrible helpful
For what it's worth, I think this is where Bruce buzzed, so I guess it was helpful to at least one person.

Re: Minnesota Open Discussion

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:39 pm
by Auks Ran Ova
Here are the things I wrote from scratch:

Tossups: ee cummings, tam o'shanter, invention of morel, ben shahn, bruckner's fourth, bogatyrs, b traven, battle of nagashino, mark helprin, botchan, thomas blood, alan hovhaness, sobek, cave story, corinna's going a-maying, bertolt brecht, mathis der maler, hermes, pastoral symphonies, sept 1, 1939, zadig, gta: vice city, gigantes, once were warriors, iguanodon, beethoven's string quartets, deianeira, superman, annibale carracci, burns family, jean rhys, donald barthelme, ballad of reading gaol, penderecki, oliver wendell holmes sr., first duino elegy, confessions of a mask, german requiem, joseph knecht, giovanni verga, chalchiuhtlicue, metamorphosis of narcissus, aum shinrikyo

Bonuses: bloom/fiedler/cahan, fowles/magus/manticore, max frisch bonus, travel lit bonus, context-free grammars bonus, kol nidre/alkan/schelomo, hadid/fluxus/hermitage, dumezil/indra/ashvins, 1958 nfl championship bonus, kaufman collaborations bonus, generation of 27 bonus, bulgars bonus, ockeghem/josquin/l'homme arme, grand opera bonus, great chain of being bonus, children of pallas bonus, shaolin soccer etc. bonus, ts eliot bonus, industrial chem processes bonus, trombones in classical music bonus, tyrfing/berserkers/wayland, massive attack/bittersweet symphony/hirst, tsvetaeva/petersburg/the idiot, mao dun/ha jin/akutagawa, brillouin zones etc. bonus, french academic painters bonus, musicologists bonus, further adventures of heracles bonus, transcendentalism bonus, urban sociologists bonus, conrad aiken etc. bonus, australian lit bonus, mozart family bonus, finnish myth bonus, golden age roman lit bonus, third man/wyler/touch of evil, classical era classical music bonus, ryujin/alpheus/phorcys, justine/durrell and de sade/pasolini, pre-shakespearean english lit bonus, joyce characters bonus, south african lit bonus, mahler bonus, herzog and de meuron bonus, emanations in myth bonus, calvin and hobbes bonus, faulkner bonus, brontes bonus, frank lloyd wright bonus, ullikummi/ea/anu

Any criticisms/complaints/suggestions/etc.?

Re: Minnesota Open Discussion

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:45 pm
by Important Bird Area
Ukonvasara wrote:iguanodon
This was pretty great. I was fully expecting to buzz on Bernissart-coal-mine clues for Iguanodon at some point over the weekend; I just expected it to be lurking in Bruce's side event, not the main tournament.

Re: Minnesota Open Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:03 am
by Skepticism and Animal Feed
Pilgrim wrote:
grapesmoker wrote:Again, I felt like the "he changed his super-Jewish name" anecdote was not terrible helpful
For what it's worth, I think this is where Bruce buzzed, so I guess it was helpful to at least one person.
Yes. I knew that clue because I read it while researching the tossup on him for Wild Kingdom.

Re: Minnesota Open Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:06 pm
by Cheynem
The Philippians tossup unfortunately contained a hose for 2 Timothy, as both books have the verse where Paul says he is being "poured out like a drink offering." I understand this hosed Columbia, and I apologize. The 2 Timothy usage is actually the more famous one, too. I think what happened was that I read over Philippians again for the tossup, saw the verse, recognized it as memorable, and thought this was where it was used, not realizing it was used in another place. As far as I know, all the other clues are unique to Philippians.

Re: Minnesota Open Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:24 pm
by Maxwell Sniffingwell
Cheynem wrote:The Philippians tossup unfortunately contained a hose for 2 Timothy, as both books have the verse where Paul says he is being "poured out like a drink offering." I understand this hosed Columbia, and I apologize. The 2 Timothy usage is actually the more famous one, too. I think what happened was that I read over Philippians again for the tossup, saw the verse, recognized it as memorable, and thought this was where it was used, not realizing it was used in another place. As far as I know, all the other clues are unique to Philippians.
There's something like that in one of the Psalms, too...

OK, found it in Psalm 22: "I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels."

Re: Minnesota Open Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:40 pm
by Cheynem
Eh, that doesn't seem as similar as the other two verses, although I guess translations may play a role. The context of the first two clues would also seem to rule out Psalms, in my opinion.

Re: Minnesota Open Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:27 pm
by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
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