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The Bergen County Academies quizbowl team is pleased to announce its second annual Bergen Open Academic Tournament, scheduled for May 8th, 2010, which will use questions written by Solon for their Spring Tournament that they are unable to run. As such, BOAT II will be a PACE NSC-style event, which is relatively rare in the area. I, Jay Srinivasan, will serve as tournament director, and any questions, comments, or team registrations can and should be emailed to amudan (dot) srinivasan (at) gmail (dot) com.

We're looking to make this an inexpensive tournament, and so, while prices have not been decided as of yet, I am relatively confident that they will stay within the range of $20-$40. Buzzers and moderators are also appreciated, and we plan to offer a $5 discount for them. Due to room constraints, we will have to cap the field at 24 teams.

The tournament will probably get underway around 8:30am on that Saturday, following a 7:30-8:15 registration period, and we'll have a complimentary breakfast (nothing extravagant, though) set up during registration. We're hoping to guarantee somewhere in the range of 7-10 rounds, and we'll update you on this as the date gets closer. As such, this setup would have us ending around 5-6pm, latest.

You can register by sending me an email (amudan <dot> srinivasan <at> gmail <dot> com) with the number of teams, buzzers, and experienced moderators you will be bringing to the tournament. Also, if you would like a formal invoice, feel free to ask for that in the registration email. I would also appreciate if you could give me a phone number at which I can contact your team on the morning of the tournament. No post on this thread will be considered anything more than an expression of interest.

A final note, a disclaimer of sorts - any cancellations made after you have registered teams must be made before 24 hours of the start time of the tournament, or you risk forfeiting your registration fee. Cancellations must be done by email or by phone (I will send my number to you when I confirm your registrations). A POST ON THIS THREAD WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED A CANCELLATION, as there was a major problem with this when we ran the Dunbar mirror in December (that ended up delaying the tournament start by about an hour).

I think that's about it. Questions/comments are welcome.

Edit: Link to Solon post, changed "within" to "before" to avoid confusion
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Livingston is interested, as I mentioned yesterday. I'll poll students at practice this week.
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narwhal wrote:As such, BOAT II will be a PACE NSC-style event, which is relatively rare in the area.
What does that even mean? The old PACE format that even PACE Nationals isn't using this year, or ever again?
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The PACE format of 20/20 with 20 pt powers, no negs, but bounceback bonuses I'd assume.
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East Brunswick is also interested. We'd be taking two teams. I just have to double check with my advisors.
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Golran wrote:The PACE format of 20/20 with 20 pt powers, no negs, but bounceback bonuses I'd assume.
But that doesn't mean, like, the 3-part games with the category quiz rounds and stretch phase and stuff?
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No. See viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7923 third paragraph.
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Golran wrote:No. See viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7923 third paragraph.
Oh, okay, thanks Ian. Makes sense now.
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Kellenberg would very much be interested in being on a boat. Probably 2 teams, 3 buzzers and 1 moderator. When we have formal confirmation of our ability to go, Bro. Nigel will send you an email.
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Mr. Chrzanowski - Ian's right. Here are the details that Jasper from Solon posted on format and distribution:
Judy Sucks a Lemon for Breakfast wrote: Questions: The Solon Academic Challenge Team will be writing the questions, with hopefully around 10-12 rounds. There will be powers, no negs, and bouncebacks on bonuses, which means we are mirroring the PACE NSC format. Tossups should be no more than 6 lines long in Times New Roman 10pt. excluding pronunciation guides where needed. Difficulty should be a little higher than regular, because of all of the Regionals/States stuff happening in the weeks after.

Distribution: I'm going to ignore my teammates because they don't have good justification for anything otherwise, but this is what I proposed early in the school year:

4/4 Literature
4/4 History
4/4 Science (includes math, but no calculation tossups)
2/2 Fine Arts
2/2 Religion, Mythology, Philosophy
1/1 Social Science
1/1 Geography
1/1 Current Events
1/1 Pop Culture/General Knowledge/Other
Thanks for all the rapid displays of interest.

Registered (Teams, Buzzers, Moderators)
St. Joe's (1-2,2,1)

Interested (Teams, Buzzers, Moderators):
Livingston (?,?,?)
East Brunswick (2,?,?)
Kellenberg (2,3,1)
Hunter (1,?,?)
State College (?,?,?)
HHHW (?,?,?)

And yes, if you attend our tournament, you will be on a boat! No guarantee that nautical-themed pashmina afghans will be prizes, though.
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OK, some breaking news, of sorts...we need some semblance of a field by Sunday, April 18 if we're going to have any hope of running this. There are many things that still have to be taken care of for this tourney, and there's really no point going forward with it if we don't have a serious field.

I apologize for never actually stating the fees - we're going to say $40 for the first team, $30 for subsequent teams, with $5 discounts for buzzers and moderators. Yes, it's cheap. Register with a quick, easy email to amudan (dot) srinivasan (at) gmail (dot) com, stating the number of teams, mods, buzzers, and whether you'd like an invoice or not. You can also contact me at that email address with questions, or post them on this thread.

I understand this tournament falls in the middle of AP test season. Believe me, I wish there was a different day that we could hold this. However, due to restrictions from our administration, we can't hold the tourney on either the 1st or the 15th, and CAT IV is on the 22nd. If it's any help, we're willing to work with you if your students have to get home early to study for the tests.

So, as I stated above, there will be no tournament unless I can see a field developing by next SUNDAY, APRIL 18. I hope we will not have to cancel - I'm looking forward to running this tournament and I hope you're looking forward to a late-season chance to play NSC-style games.
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State College is quite possibly interested
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Hunter will probably send at least one team to this.
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A quick update:

Registered (Teams, Buzzers, Moderators)
St. Joe's (1-2,2,1)
Kellenberg (2,3,1)
Total: (3-4,5,2)

Interested (Teams, Buzzers, Moderators):
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East Brunswick (2,?,?)
Hunter (1,?,?)
State College (?,?,?)
HHHW (?,?,?)

If I assumed that each interested school will be sending one team (or the number they indicated as likely), we end up with a total of 9-10 teams.

While this is technically enough to run a tournament with, it would really be great if we had more. I just need to know by Sunday night (4/18/10), since I'd need to submit attendance info and room requests on Monday. You can register with a simple email.
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Jay,

Saint Joe's will bring ONE team to BOAT. I can still bring TWO buzzers if you wish. Let me know.
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Registered (Teams, Buzzers, Moderators)
St. Joe's (1,2,1)
Kellenberg (2,3,1)
Hunter (2,2,1)
Total: (5,7,3)

Interested (Teams, Buzzers, Moderators):


We're currently looking at a field of 5 teams, and a decent amount of interest, so I'll continue to organize this tournament. Please continue to submit registrations if you have not already - while I will run the tournament, I'd really love to not have to do it with only 5 teams.

Mr. Powers - Currently, we don't need both buzzers - but, if more teams register, there's a good chance we will. If it's not too much of a problem, could you bring both buzzer sets? Thanks.

Edit: HHHW, Livingston, East Brunswick will not be sending teams. Neither will State College.
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No problem---I'll be sure to bring both sets of buzzers.

EDIT: And if I can work out transportation problems, I might still be able to bring a B team, but for now I'll leave it at one & change it later if I can and, of course, if you will allow it later.
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Mr. Powers: Yeah, another team certainly wouldn't be a problem.

Also, if anyone needs an invoice, either tell me with your registration, or (if you've already registered) send me another email requesting one.
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Due to the inability of the interested schools to field teams, this tournament is once again circling the drain.

If a true field doesn't really materialize by this Friday, April 30, then we're probably going to have to call off the tournament.

(If this does end up happening, but the already-registered teams are still interested in playing this set, I have one or two other options in mind. But that's really the worst-case scenario.)
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Registration has concluded, and the tournament is still running, in a way. Details have been explained to all registered parties.
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Field update? You told me there were going to be 7 teams in attendance plus a house team.
Just curious. I already sent the questions, so that's not a reason I'm posting. :lol:
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Judy Sucks a Lemon for Breakfast wrote:Field update? You told me there were going to be 7 teams in attendance plus a house team.
Just curious. I already sent the questions, so that's not a reason I'm posting. :lol:
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1st Place: Hunter A
2nd Place: St. Joe's A
3rd Place: Kellenberg A
4th place: Hunter C
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Congratulations to Hunter on defending their BOAT championship, defeating St. Joseph 420-70 in a final between two teams who were probably closer matched through the day than that score suggests.

Quick Results

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Team Rec Finals
HC-A 7-0 420
SJ-A 6-1  70

Kell 5-2 350
HC-C 4-3 280

HC-B 2-5 230 260
Berg 3-4 100 200

SJ-B 1-6  80
Mix  0-7  60
Bergen house team wound up being essentially their B team. Hybrid was a mix of Kellenberg-B and extra Bergen players.

Top individual players: Lily (Hunter-A) and Zihan (Hunter-C) each had 102/gm. I believe Lily's 21 were the most powers. Stats will either be up this weekend or Monday. A quick spreadsheet suggests that Hunter-A had 21.25/b and 51% stealing while SJ-A had 20.94/b and 55% stealing.
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Full stats can now be found at http://results.scobo.net/BergenCountyAcademies , as can stats for the other tournaments we've hosted (BOAT '09, NJ '09, DAFT mirror '09). And the stats for the ACF Fall @ Mizzou I ran. Just because this way, I can get them posted and off of ad-sponsored space.

Any corrections should be sent to me, as I've got all the scoresheets to check your corrections against.
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Any comments on the question set would be gladly appreciated. Question-specific comments should go to [email protected].

Edited to remove comments that were due to a misread of stats.
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Here's the scoresheet from the final.

[EDIT] Corrected to add no-penalty wrong answers. Also to put onto my auto-formatting scoresheet.
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The final was the worst match my team played all year, bar none. We negged 6 times ourselves ( the scoresheet does not show where), and I believe Hunter, who played well but not up to its highest standards, also missed 5 or 6 questions itself---so in theory we had 11 or 12 opportunities to score, yet only hit one tossup. Prior to this match, we had been averaging 13 or 14 toss ups and 450+ points per match, and had earlier lost a great match to Hunter on the last question---Hunter led 360-330 going into toss-up 20, so in theory it was still anyone's match. To Hunter's credit, it powered the final question and hit 2 of 3 bonuses, while we stole the 3rd, for a final score of 400-340. So, the 420-70 was a real letdown---not only for us, but I think for Hunter as well, who probably was hoping for a greater challenge. Still, we are happy to have it out of our system before nationals. Further, everyone who knows Hunter knows they can embarrass you in any match they play. My guess is had they been more in form themselves, they could have matched our worst shellacking of the year, to State College, which was something like 620-70. I am sure most reading this post have suffered games similar to this---but one toss-up? And on the last question???? Ughhhhhhh.........

Anyway, it is what it is, and we congratulate Hunter for another excellent tournament run.
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EDIT: Cut due to a duplication of the above message.
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Edward Powers wrote:The final was the worst match my team played all year, bar none. We negged 6 times ourselves ( the scoresheet does not show where), and I believe Hunter, who played well but not up to its highest standards, also missed 5 or 6 questions itself---so in theory we had 11 or 12 opportunities to score, yet only hit one tossup.
Don't worry too much about not being able to answer some of the tossups; some of them were on questionable answer choices that would be nearly incredible for any high school-er to even answer.
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Coach Powers:

At the 2010 ICT, I played on a pretty solid Minnesota B team that finished 16th at the tournament. In our final game of the day, we played Chicago B. Prior to this game, we had scored 100 points in every match, even against Brown and Toronto. Chicago B had an identical record to us in the playoffs. During the game, they absolutely destroyed us, winning 465-10--I managed to answer the last tossup and prevent the shutout, and then we 0'ed the bonus. Chicago B is obviously a fine team, but that score is probably a little bit wacky. Things like this sadly happen every once in a while.
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Mike & Jasper,

Thanks for your friendly words. Knowing that others have survived a similar experience places such a deflating experience in perspective, and I am sure my students will appreciate the insights and the kindnesses you have displayed here. I certainly do. And the upside always is that tomorrow IS another day, and my kids are pretty resilient, as all in quizbowl must be.
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Has the set peen publicly released yet? If not, I would like to acquire the rights to mirror this tournament.
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Morraine Man wrote:Has the set peen publicly released yet? If not, I would like to acquire the rights to mirror this tournament.
In the mirroring/collaborating for tournaments thread in the discussion section, it appears that this set is still open for mirroring.
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quantumfootball wrote:
Morraine Man wrote:Has the set peen publicly released yet? If not, I would like to acquire the rights to mirror this tournament.
In the mirroring/collaborating for tournaments thread in the discussion section, it appears that this set is still open for mirroring.
Yes, that is correct. Jasper is still looking for teams to mirror this tournament, and he is also going to have someone running it next year in Ohio.
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