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Come on, Jonah! Where's the liveblog [interrobang] The first matches are 45 minutes old and Scorezone has nothing... I was hoping for at least a halftime update.
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They should be appearing here: but they aren't yet? Maybe he isn't getting phone reception? He managed to last year. Maybe he was kicked out for being an NAQT spy.

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I don't have access on my laptop, so I'm "live"blogging in a text document to post later. Through 23 questions, Auburn 358, Bradley-Bourbonnais 130, and two quarts of Pepto-Bismol consumed.
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If scorezone continues to suck, you'll give us at least final scores, right?
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Auburn 431, BB 175. Stevenson over New Trier by about 150, but I don't know the exact score. I'm now watching Auburn-IMSA.
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ScoreZone still not updated. We would never permit this in New York.
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Okay, Class AA ScoreZone is updated. Nothing for Class A, if the matches are till in progress then heaven help us.
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Class A was just updated; the usual suspects, but Winnebago didn't beat Herrin by much.
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I am told that "IMSA is beating Auburn halfway through an impossible, bad packet." Maybe it is a made up packet from leftover replacements and some old answers plus rounds or something. This is not unheard of apparently.

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Don't look at me.....I voted for Kodos.
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David Riley wrote:Don't look at me.....I voted for Kodos.
I believe I'll cast my vote for a third party candidate!
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Go ahead, throw your vote away.
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Auburn 334, IMSA 227.
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Utahraptor wrote:"I'd rather be at a Jane Austen book burning meeting" - certain Auburn quizbowler
To be fair, that sounds like an interesting time.
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If Winnebago beats Lisle by 196 (or more) while scoring 373 (or more), they're in the State Championship. Figuring out these crazy hypotheticals is about the only fun thing about the IHSA's pools of 4.
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Jonah says he'll tweet the Class AA championship here. I think his tweets will also show up on facebook.
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Dan-Don wrote:Jonah says he'll tweet the Class AA championship here. I think his tweets will also show up on facebook.
They do.
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Twitter is giving me problems. Score updates will go here, but probably not more.
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Auburn vs. Stevenson, by the way.
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Two out of three tossups dead so far, both bad. 30-0 Auburn.
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Through 8, 90-46 Stevenson.
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At the half: Stevenson 165, Auburn 86.
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Through 18, Stevenson 220, Auburn 86.
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Following the second spelling bonus about French terms related to cooking, it's 224-114 Stevenson.
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jonah wrote:Following the second spelling bonus about French terms related to cooking, it's 224-114 Stevenson.
To be fair, that's very clearly set out in the distribution.
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After 23, 259-134 Stevenson.
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Looks like it's time for Auburn to start taking chances if they're not already doing so...
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They are, but are still down 273-186.
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What question are they on now?
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Just finished 28. It's over, mathematically, at 303-186.
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Well, we have five different "state champions". Final score in class AA: 358-191. Congratulations, Stevenson. I'll give the rest of the results, as soon as I find them out.
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IMSA beats Carbondale 373-229 for third place AA. Lisle over New Berlin 262-153 in class A. I don't know A third place.
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Congratulations, Stevenson! :party:
Color me unsurprised, though, as this comes 4 years after Kevin and Zach won their 1st IESA Class AA State. The intersection of that format with IHSA has been well-documented.
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jonah wrote:Lisle over New Berlin 262-153 in class A.
Well thank God!! Finally, a shred of sanity in a state series of nonsense. Congratulations, Lise--it was well deserved. And congratulations to Stevenson too.
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jonah wrote:Lisle over New Berlin 262-153 in class A.
Well thank God!! Finally, a shred of sanity in a state series of nonsense. Congratulations, Lise--it was well deserved. And congratulations to Stevenson too.
I don't think the results from these "Championships" are so insane. If you are going to have small school large school championships then you are looking at least two champions. And as noted here formats and distribution are so different in each of these competitions that different champions are very likely. In fact, I would say that all of the champions are very deserving. There is not one team among that I think isn't among the top of the their respective fields. Unfortunately, upsets happen. Truly unfortunately, tournament directors/moderators screw up what packet they are supposed to read, and the whole process is put in doubt.

Most of all congratulations to Stevenson and Lisle. Welcome to the state champions club of 2010.

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jonah wrote:IMSA beats Carbondale 373-229 for third place AA. Lisle over New Berlin 262-153 in class A. I don't know A third place.

It was 343-229. Something on your hand-writing got smudged. :)

Seriously, welcome back IMSA. Well done Dr Prince and team.
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Big Kudos to all the teams that placed today in Peoria, and congrats to those who made it to the event by winning a Sectional.

Good luck to everyone as we all make our plans for next year. (Yes, I'm already thinking about it!)
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I wrote the following questions from this set:
Round 7 tossups: string theory (physics), Bessemer process (industrial arts), waltzes (music theory)
Round 7 bonuses: stuff about inductors (physics), stuff about magnetostatics (physics)
Round 8 tossups: Ohm's law (physics), friction (physics)
Round 8 bonuses: stuff about collisions (physics), wave phenomena (physics)
Round 9 tossups: strong force (physics), Cavendish (physics)
Round 9 bonuses: instruments-piano/violin/cello/bassoon (music theory), things about precession (physics), atomic models (physics)
Round 10 tossups: key of A (music theory), photon (physics), gold foil experiment (physics)
Round 10 bonuses: diodes (physics), experimenters (physics)

Again, some of my submissions were modified from the versions submitted. If you want to see any of these questions (in the form they were submitted, as that's all I have), let me know. Comments on these questions are also welcome.
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Congrats to everyone who came out and played today, especially Stevenson and Lisle.
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Yeah, congrats to Lisle and Stevenson. I didn't see the former, but Zach (and the Stevenson team in general) played very well in the final against us.
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I agree. Congratulations to all teams who made their way to Peoria. Also, thank you for the awesome show of sportsmanship; the four teams we played (Hinsdale South, Auburn, Bradley-Bourbonnais, and Carbondale) were incredibly gracious.

For all the problems with IHSA State series, it did a pretty good job of getting the top teams to the championship game. No matter who won the Stevenson/Auburn showdown, a worthy champion was going to be crowned. Congratulations to Stevenson for pulling it off.
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Dominator wrote:I agree. Congratulations to all teams who made their way to Peoria. Also, thank you for the awesome show of sportsmanship; the four teams we played (Hinsdale South, Auburn, Bradley-Bourbonnais, and Carbondale) were incredibly gracious.

For all the problems with IHSA State series, it did a pretty good job of getting the top teams to the championship game. No matter who won the Stevenson/Auburn showdown, a worthy champion was going to be crowned. Congratulations to Stevenson for pulling it off.
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Dominator wrote:I agree. Congratulations to all teams who made their way to Peoria. Also, thank you for the awesome show of sportsmanship; the four teams we played (Hinsdale South, Auburn, Bradley-Bourbonnais, and Carbondale) were incredibly gracious.

For all the problems with IHSA State series, it did a pretty good job of getting the top teams to the championship game. No matter who won the Stevenson/Auburn showdown, a worthy champion was going to be crowned. Congratulations to Stevenson for pulling it off.
CometCoach72 wrote:Good luck to everyone as we all make our plans for next year. (Yes, I'm already thinking about it!)
When can we start?
How about April 24th? :smile:
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Dominator wrote:I agree. Congratulations to all teams who made their way to Peoria. Also, thank you for the awesome show of sportsmanship; the four teams we played (Hinsdale South, Auburn, Bradley-Bourbonnais, and Carbondale) were incredibly gracious.

For all the problems with IHSA State series, it did a pretty good job of getting the top teams to the championship game. No matter who won the Stevenson/Auburn showdown, a worthy champion was going to be crowned. Congratulations to Stevenson for pulling it off.
CometCoach72 wrote:Good luck to everyone as we all make our plans for next year. (Yes, I'm already thinking about it!)
When can we start?
I began 30 minutes after our team was excused from further play in the IHSA State Series. But, I won't start filling the schedule until our conference schedule is released and dates of 2010-2011 tournaments become available.

If you are looking for something downstate, I might recommend one of the offerings that U of I ABT will make this coming year, or the Springfield tournament (which is usually played on NAQT Questions). If you're really feeling adventurous for a road trip in late January, consider WUHSAC at Washington University in St Louis. We gave it a shot and saw some excellent teams in a four-on-four setting (so it wouldn't count against your 18-date limit), including one from Florida. There's also our tournament, the Comet Open (date will be finalized in the fall; expect it to be in mid February or early March) and we'd be about 4 1/2 hours from Aurora); with Mr. Fischer no longer writing in IHSA format, I highly doubt that the Comet Open will be in IHSA format and may not even be 5-on-5 (so I can sell it that way to teams down here that are hesitant to play in mACF...suggestions welcome, friends...I'm all ears).

I'm pretty sure we'll have most of our Saturdays booked this coming season, and that's a great thing. You can never hear enough questions.
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CometCoach72 wrote:so I can sell it that way to teams down here that are hesitant to play in mACF...suggestions welcome, friends...I'm all ears.
Bouncebacks on bonuses and long conferral times have been effective in selling mACF to new teams. If they're real sticklers, you could also consider making the base tossup value 15 so that the 1:2 tossup:bonus point ratio is conserved (I think that was done at a Kickoff or something).
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CometCoach72 wrote:so I can sell it that way to teams down here that are hesitant to play in mACF...suggestions welcome, friends...I'm all ears.
Bouncebacks on bonuses and long conferral times have been effective in selling mACF to new teams. If they're real sticklers, you could also consider making the base tossup value 15 so that the 1:2 tossup:bonus point ratio is conserved (I think that was done at a Kickoff or something).
Just use powers. Then you're normal for everyone.
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KHAAAAN please wrote:
CometCoach72 wrote:so I can sell it that way to teams down here that are hesitant to play in mACF...suggestions welcome, friends...I'm all ears.
Bouncebacks on bonuses and long conferral times have been effective in selling mACF to new teams. If they're real sticklers, you could also consider making the base tossup value 15 so that the 1:2 tossup:bonus point ratio is conserved (I think that was done at a Kickoff or something).
At Kickoff and Turnabout both, toss-ups were 10 and powers were available for 15.

I thought Mr. Adkins had it right at the 2009 Springfield Invitational when he did powers, negs, and 10 seconds per part on bonuses. I'm way ok with all of that except the negs. Mr. Adkins and I are of same mind on the subject of negs; I personally believe they don't belong in a high school setting unless you are playing a tournament that has stratospheric credentials attached to it.
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CometCoach72 wrote:I thought Mr. Adkins had it right at the 2009 Springfield Invitational when he did powers, negs, and 10 seconds per part on bonuses. I'm way ok with all of that except the negs. Mr. Adkins and I are of same mind on the subject of negs; I personally believe they don't belong in a high school setting unless you are playing a tournament that has stratospheric credentials attached to it.
In my opinion, negs only matter when they can have a material impact on the outcome of a game, i.e. a close game down to the last few tossups. One's aggressiveness should not be radically affected by the presence (or lack) of negs.

For the record, I am indifferent, both as a player and TD.

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I believe the ideal format is 15s, 10s, and -5s. Don't really have a good reason other than I like the way the powers and negs balance each other out in stats. When a player reflexes buzz on some early clue with the slim hope that they know the answer, they're gambling 5 points--this dynamic adds all sorts of interesting strategies and scenarios to the game.
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