The Gobbledy Gooker wrote:Event: Mid-Suburban League [09-IL-A]
Host: Hoffman Estates High School, Hoffman Estates, IL
Contact: Brian Harlan
This is exciting. No more AVERY!

The Gobbledy Gooker wrote:Event: Mid-Suburban League [09-IL-A]
Host: Hoffman Estates High School, Hoffman Estates, IL
Contact: Brian Harlan
This is exciting. No more AVERY!
So did I, apparently some of my going around my coach may have paid off. Not to mention I think the NAQT set was considerably less costly than the sets Avery gave us.David Riley wrote:indeed! How did all of this go down? I thought MSL was virtually married to Avery's questions.
I think Barrington has the potential to be a great team. Jeffrey Price's middle schoolers+new, uncorrupted coach+solid A team+transfer student named Thomas Yu=winning. They might not travel a lot. And they might not break into the top-10 this season. But, this could be a program to watch out for.Jane Fairfax wrote:Nolan Winkler wanted me to revive discussion by saying
"So Season started on Saturday. Yay! Then say something that can be turned into a discussion point"
So my discussion starter: What teams/players are underrated [or overrated, if you're daring]? And how good are Barrington and Carbondale, both of whom had impressive young talent at Fall Novice [e.g. BEN CHAMETZKY].
I don't think that Ben's individual stats of 100+ ppg should really be looked at too much here. Sure, 100 ppg is awesome but the field was not. Of course, putting up 100 ppg alone on that set is pretty good but the real impression made on me here was by the bonus conversion. The barrington team who basically destroyed the field, really having only one or two close games (vs. Loyola A, 270-225 and 230-215 decided on the final question) had only 17.62 PPB. Carbondale had 24.14. A whole 6.5 Points higher than the winners at Viator! Sure, the comparison might be a bit off because UIUC apparently had different eligibility rules, as shown by Ben Chametzky playing and consequently pwining, making the Viator teams at a bit of a disadvantage. Aside from that, this bonus conversion shows their immense f/s ability. With Jeremiah playing next to Ben, they should really make some noise. I think that when we did our little poll we severely underrated C-Dale and they should be in the 3-5 range.Dan-Don wrote:I think Barrington has the potential to be a great team. Jeffrey Price's middle schoolers+new, uncorrupted coach+solid A team+transfer student named Thomas Yu=winning. They might not travel a lot. And they might not break into the top-10 this season. But, this could be a program to watch out for.Jane Fairfax wrote:Nolan Winkler wanted me to revive discussion by saying
"So Season started on Saturday. Yay! Then say something that can be turned into a discussion point"
So my discussion starter: What teams/players are underrated [or overrated, if you're daring]? And how good are Barrington and Carbondale, both of whom had impressive young talent at Fall Novice [e.g. BEN CHAMETZKY].
And, although I didn't see UIUC's mirror, I understand that Ben C. just destroyed the set. No surprises there...he showed he's a solid player at ACE camp.
This is true....like I keep saying, Viator was ranked too high. C-Dale, too low. Also, SIGN UP FOR TRASHTASTROPHE PEOPLE!MoCity02 wrote:I don't think that Ben's individual stats of 100+ ppg should really be looked at too much here. Sure, 100 ppg is awesome but the field was not. Of course, putting up 100 ppg alone on that set is pretty good but the real impression made on me here was by the bonus conversion. The barrington team who basically destroyed the field, really having only one or two close games (vs. Loyola A, 270-225 and 230-215 decided on the final question) had only 17.62 PPB. Carbondale had 24.14. A whole 6.5 Points higher than the winners at Viator! Sure, the comparison might be a bit off because UIUC apparently had different eligibility rules, as shown by Ben Chametzky playing and consequently pwining, making the Viator teams at a bit of a disadvantage. Aside from that, this bonus conversion shows their immense f/s ability. With Jeremiah playing next to Ben, they should really make some noise. I think that when we did our little poll we severely underrated C-Dale and they should be in the 3-5 range.Dan-Don wrote:I think Barrington has the potential to be a great team. Jeffrey Price's middle schoolers+new, uncorrupted coach+solid A team+transfer student named Thomas Yu=winning. They might not travel a lot. And they might not break into the top-10 this season. But, this could be a program to watch out for.Jane Fairfax wrote:Nolan Winkler wanted me to revive discussion by saying
"So Season started on Saturday. Yay! Then say something that can be turned into a discussion point"
So my discussion starter: What teams/players are underrated [or overrated, if you're daring]? And how good are Barrington and Carbondale, both of whom had impressive young talent at Fall Novice [e.g. BEN CHAMETZKY].
And, although I didn't see UIUC's mirror, I understand that Ben C. just destroyed the set. No surprises there...he showed he's a solid player at ACE camp.
We plan to send two teams to the Loyola Ultima for the first time ever. Let's see how that goes. I'd say one goal of ours is to defeat Fremd and play in the MSL championship game. Hopefully the Ultima experience (and others to be determined) will go a long ways towards that goal. Actually, my frosh/soph teams have beaten Fremd in 3 out of 7 match-ups over the past two years, so we may be closer than I realize.Dan-Don wrote:I think Barrington has the potential to be a great team. Jeffrey Price's middle schoolers+new, uncorrupted coach+solid A team+transfer student named Thomas Yu=winning. They might not travel a lot. And they might not break into the top-10 this season. But, this could be a program to watch out for.Jane Fairfax wrote:Nolan Winkler wanted me to revive discussion by saying
"So Season started on Saturday. Yay! Then say something that can be turned into a discussion point"
So my discussion starter: What teams/players are underrated [or overrated, if you're daring]? And how good are Barrington and Carbondale, both of whom had impressive young talent at Fall Novice [e.g. BEN CHAMETZKY].
And, although I didn't see UIUC's mirror, I understand that Ben C. just destroyed the set. No surprises there...he showed he's a solid player at ACE camp.
Is he a sophomore? Or a junior? I see he put up 59/PPG at the D>III, trailing only Lisle Greg and Zach Blumenfeld. Two juniors of ours that I expect to be starting varsity (and were subsequently excluded from The Septemberist), Sam and Kyle, only managed low 30's. If Ben did that as a frosh, I'm even more impressed!MoCity02 wrote: stuff about Ben Chametzky of C-Dale...
He's a current sophomore.Max Moon wrote:Is he a sophomore? Or a junior? I see he put up 59/PPG at the D>III, trailing only Lisle Greg and Zach Blumenfeld. Two juniors of ours that I expect to be starting varsity (and were subsequently excluded from The Septemberist), Sam and Kyle, only managed low 30's. If Ben did that as a frosh, I'm even more impressed!MoCity02 wrote: stuff about Ben Chametzky of C-Dale...
We used straight-up JV rules, and also used bouncebacks on bonuses, so BC as a point of comparison isn't really valid.MoCity02 wrote:I don't think that Ben's individual stats of 100+ ppg should really be looked at too much here. Sure, 100 ppg is awesome but the field was not. Of course, putting up 100 ppg alone on that set is pretty good but the real impression made on me here was by the bonus conversion. The barrington team who basically destroyed the field, really having only one or two close games (vs. Loyola A, 270-225 and 230-215 decided on the final question) had only 17.62 PPB. Carbondale had 24.14. A whole 6.5 Points higher than the winners at Viator! Sure, the comparison might be a bit off because UIUC apparently had different eligibility rules, as shown by Ben Chametzky playing and consequently pwining, making the Viator teams at a bit of a disadvantage. Aside from that, this bonus conversion shows their immense f/s ability. With Jeremiah playing next to Ben, they should really make some noise. I think that when we did our little poll we severely underrated C-Dale and they should be in the 3-5 range.Dan-Don wrote:I think Barrington has the potential to be a great team. Jeffrey Price's middle schoolers+new, uncorrupted coach+solid A team+transfer student named Thomas Yu=winning. They might not travel a lot. And they might not break into the top-10 this season. But, this could be a program to watch out for.Jane Fairfax wrote:Nolan Winkler wanted me to revive discussion by saying
"So Season started on Saturday. Yay! Then say something that can be turned into a discussion point"
So my discussion starter: What teams/players are underrated [or overrated, if you're daring]? And how good are Barrington and Carbondale, both of whom had impressive young talent at Fall Novice [e.g. BEN CHAMETZKY].
And, although I didn't see UIUC's mirror, I understand that Ben C. just destroyed the set. No surprises there...he showed he's a solid player at ACE camp.
Are there possibly stats on BC when controlling the bonus? That would equate to the normal non-bouncy BC.dtaylor4 wrote:We used straight-up JV rules, and also used bouncebacks on bonuses, so BC as a point of comparison isn't really valid.MoCity02 wrote:I don't think that Ben's individual stats of 100+ ppg should really be looked at too much here. Sure, 100 ppg is awesome but the field was not. Of course, putting up 100 ppg alone on that set is pretty good but the real impression made on me here was by the bonus conversion. The barrington team who basically destroyed the field, really having only one or two close games (vs. Loyola A, 270-225 and 230-215 decided on the final question) had only 17.62 PPB. Carbondale had 24.14. A whole 6.5 Points higher than the winners at Viator! Sure, the comparison might be a bit off because UIUC apparently had different eligibility rules, as shown by Ben Chametzky playing and consequently pwining, making the Viator teams at a bit of a disadvantage. Aside from that, this bonus conversion shows their immense f/s ability. With Jeremiah playing next to Ben, they should really make some noise. I think that when we did our little poll we severely underrated C-Dale and they should be in the 3-5 range.Dan-Don wrote:I think Barrington has the potential to be a great team. Jeffrey Price's middle schoolers+new, uncorrupted coach+solid A team+transfer student named Thomas Yu=winning. They might not travel a lot. And they might not break into the top-10 this season. But, this could be a program to watch out for.Jane Fairfax wrote:Nolan Winkler wanted me to revive discussion by saying
"So Season started on Saturday. Yay! Then say something that can be turned into a discussion point"
So my discussion starter: What teams/players are underrated [or overrated, if you're daring]? And how good are Barrington and Carbondale, both of whom had impressive young talent at Fall Novice [e.g. BEN CHAMETZKY].
And, although I didn't see UIUC's mirror, I understand that Ben C. just destroyed the set. No surprises there...he showed he's a solid player at ACE camp.
Because of issues related to my attempt to utilize the Excel scoresheet, no.Cowboy Bob Orton wrote:Are there possibly stats on BC when controlling the bonus? That would equate to the normal non-bouncy BC.
That might be possible to compute using the Excel score sheets that (I assume) Donald has, but it doesn't exist now. I'd like to add, also, that against teams with lower BC, the effect of bounceback on a team's BC is even more pronounced. I frequently saw Carbondale take more points on a team's bonus than the team itself got. I expect that their true BC would be closer to 15 than to 25.Cowboy Bob Orton wrote:Are there possibly stats on BC when controlling the bonus? That would equate to the normal non-bouncy BC.
15 is still a solid BC considering that Ben, who isn't yet strong in all the areas of the canon (I believe he's a History specialist) is going to be assisted by Jeremiah (who, if I remember correctly, is a very good generalist) during the regular Varsity seasonCaptain Sinico wrote:That might be possible to compute using the Excel score sheets that (I assume) Donald has, but it doesn't exist now. I'd like to add, also, that against teams with lower BC, the effect of bounceback on a team's BC is even more pronounced. I frequently saw Carbondale take more points on a team's bonus than the team itself got. I expect that their true BC would be closer to 15 than to 25.Cowboy Bob Orton wrote:Are there possibly stats on BC when controlling the bonus? That would equate to the normal non-bouncy BC.
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I've done my best to point the coach towards good quizbowl and good sources for studying. Depending on how long I remain in the C-U area, I may become more involved with this team.David Riley wrote:Champaign Centennial (coach is a former player, ditto for what I said at Barrington, plus decent numbers at U of I Novice and Early Bird for a beginning team)
They haven't had a team for as long as I've been around. I have heard rumblings of them possibly starting a team, but nothing is concrete yet.David Riley wrote:Yeah, if any of you guys have the time, this would be a good outreach....speaking of which, what's up with Urbana HS? You never see them anywhere! Anyone know if they even do league play?
Lloyd won't even be at Kickoff, so I don't think we'll be at 100% until... Decembrist?dtaylor4 wrote:Carbondale will tear up over the next three years. Even without Jeremiah, they still made a damn good showing for themselves at Earlybird.
Loyola is very strong. I expect them to finally get some hardware in Peoria.
New Trier has potential, but they need to learn stuff. For this year, I'd probably say the same for Carbondale.
Auburn is still a mystery. We'll see what kind of numbers they can put up at Kickoff.
Yeah, Carbondale continues to impress as with the addition of Jeremiah (they were without him at earlybird) they completely turned the tables on us. Also, I was incredibly impressed by Kevin from Stevenson. Congrats on whatever you did over summer to come out of relatively nowhere (I only saw you in like 3 tournament stats of last year through a brief check) and improve yourself so much into a great player, dude.adeveau wrote:So yeah. Carbondale, among Jeremiah, Ben, and occasionally Sofia, are very good. As are Loyola, who are still really solid on literature and the like. I'm sure their depth and bredth will only get better as the year goes on. Stevenson was good even without Blumenfeld. I imagine he overlaps quite a bit with the rest of his team, but still, they'll be exceptional with him. Who knows about Auburn until they start playing.
Edit: Literacy
Laird has limited internet access due to, I am sure, searching assiduously for a job, so I will respond.Chametz wrote:Hey folks, a little bit of a change of subject here: My team has a few questions about writing for the turnabout. From what I understand, the questions should be 4-6 liners, and the distro is standard IHSA. In that Aegis guide Matt Laird posted it said we should avoid 3 part bonuses and saying FTP, but that's contrary to some other things I've heard. Could you clear this up for me? We've got a few questions but we're worried about writing to many if we'll have to go back and change them later.
What Jonah said. You probably are confused re: 3 and 4 part bonuses due to there being two different types of bonuses that you have been hearing. The turnabouts are running normal IHSA format (like what your conference does, but with better quesitons) as opposed to the superior ACF format, which is what you've been playing at tournaments like Ultima, Earlybird and UIUC Novice. If you have any problems or want to run some questions by any of us, feel free to send an email.jonah wrote:Laird has limited internet access due to, I am sure, searching assiduously for a job, so I will respond.Chametz wrote:Hey folks, a little bit of a change of subject here: My team has a few questions about writing for the turnabout. From what I understand, the questions should be 4-6 liners, and the distro is standard IHSA. In that Aegis guide Matt Laird posted it said we should avoid 3 part bonuses and saying FTP, but that's contrary to some other things I've heard. Could you clear this up for me? We've got a few questions but we're worried about writing to many if we'll have to go back and change them later.
Tossups should be 4-6 lines. Less important than a particular length, though, is that they be very pyramidal and accessible. It doesn't really matter whether you say "For 10 points" or not; we might edit it out if you put it in or put it in if you leave it out, but don't worry about it.
The bonuses are IHSA style. (Sorry.) They should be all four-part, though, because the scoring of three- and five-part bonuses is inherently unfair. You can say "For 5 points each:" after the intro, if you like; I did in all my IHSA questions this year.
Feel free to post again or email me (or Laird, Brad, or Kristin) if you have any more questions.
I'm pretty sure Mr. Laird or Jonah would be able to answer this a bit better, but Lloyd and I contributed to writing for the Turnabout set. We were told to refer to the Aegis guide:Monk wrote:Can you mention what sort of question distribution we should aim for?
A guide specific for Turnabout is here. The distribution is basically the IHSA distribution scaled down to 20/20, and can be found on page 2 of that document. (I would like to make it clear that this distribution was not our choice and is against the preferences of all four editors, but it was either that or the same thing but with nonpyramidal questions from a lousy vendor.)Monk wrote:Can you mention what sort of question distribution we should aim for?
Lloyd and I have had our questions done for quite a while now, but a lack of communication on our part with Jeff/Dan-Don (we're collaborating with them in creating two packets. We split up some categories) as well as Jeff being understandably busy with school and Trashtastrophe has been the reason that we haven't submitted the questions to Laird. I'll try to contact Jeff ASAP in order to get stuff together.Shcool wrote:If anybody has written anything for Turnabout that has not already been sent to Laird, send it to him now. If you have solid plans of writing questions in the near future, contact Laird now. We are in danger of not getting enough questions and having to look for alternatives.
Quick, let's do this while Lloyd's in Paris.Dan-Don wrote:small literature singles event
Oooo...how angry do you think he'd be? Especially if I guaranteed a Jane Austen work in every round.MoCity02 wrote:Quick, let's do this while Lloyd's in Paris.Dan-Don wrote:small literature singles event
MoCity02 wrote:Quick, let's do this while Lloyd's in Paris.Dan-Don wrote:small literature singles event