NAQT distributions posted
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:53 pm
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High school distribution
High school distribution
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Do you mean balance between packets within a tournament set?Anti-Climacus wrote:I personally think that lit and myth should be split to 4/4 lit and 1/1 myth, which garuantees a reasonable balance between lit and myth.
HSNCT uses the same weights as the posted distribution. I've asked R. to add this clarification.Matt Weiner wrote:Thanks for doing this.
I noticed that the high school distribution says it's for IS and IS-A sets; is there a reason HSNCT is not mentioned on that page?
The extra questions could go into lit, which is grossly underrepresented compared to history and science given that religion and myth are shoved into that distribution currently.Shcool wrote:Thank you very much for posting this and engaging in this discussion--there is a good discussion going on in the college section.
My biggest complaint about the distribution is the PC_Sport 1.7/1.7. Getting that down to 1/1 would be an improvement, and the extra questions could go into any category.
This. Moreover, I can even understand not giving world lit 1/1 per packet at this level, but I can't understand giving it 2/2 per tournament. Unless 4/4 of misc lit is shadow world lit, I think that can stand to be increased a bit.cvdwightw wrote:I understand the rationale for having relatively low numbers of philosophy, social science, and even perhaps arts (low conversion rates), but I don't understand why academic literature has less than 4/4 a packet. Are people really not converting literature questions?
At least some of it is shadow world lit; but it is also a long-standing trend in our feedback that people are not, in fact, converting literature questions at the same rate as history and science. Continental European and non-Western literature have been particular problem areas (yes, this includes those A-series Stendhal tossups we were talking about a while back).everyday847 wrote:This. Moreover, I can even understand not giving world lit 1/1 per packet at this level, but I can't understand giving it 2/2 per tournament. Unless 4/4 of misc lit is shadow world lit, I think that can stand to be increased a bit.cvdwightw wrote:I understand the rationale for having relatively low numbers of philosophy, social science, and even perhaps arts (low conversion rates), but I don't understand why academic literature has less than 4/4 a packet. Are people really not converting literature questions?
R. informs me that while the weights for HSNCT are in fact very similar to the IS distribution, the HSNCT distribution shares certain features with our college distribution (notably the split of philosophy questions to ensure balance among eras).bt_green_warbler wrote:HSNCT uses the same weights as the posted distribution. I've asked R. to add this clarification.Matt Weiner wrote:I noticed that the high school distribution says it's for IS and IS-A sets; is there a reason HSNCT is not mentioned on that page?
Especially at HSNCT, the field is strong enough that there is convertable world lit that there should be at the very least .5/.5 world lit per round. Really, I think at HSNCT American, English, Continental and World could be roughly equal without hurting conversion too much.everyday847 wrote:This. Moreover, I can even understand not giving world lit 1/1 per packet at this level, but I can't understand giving it 2/2 per tournament. Unless 4/4 of misc lit is shadow world lit, I think that can stand to be increased a bit.cvdwightw wrote:I understand the rationale for having relatively low numbers of philosophy, social science, and even perhaps arts (low conversion rates), but I don't understand why academic literature has less than 4/4 a packet. Are people really not converting literature questions?
If it hasn't been said enough (and it should be said more), thank you.bt_green_warbler wrote:NAQT is pleased to announce that our distribution is now available on naqt.com.
High school distribution
That's more than even collegiate distributions do--world lit is 1/1 in ACF and ACF-like distros, but that's out of 5/5 including the extra 1/1 lit for tiebreakers. I'm not sure I would want to write 18/18 world lit for HSNCT or NSC; I think there are some problems with conversion when you get to that much. With that said, yeah, only 2/2 per tournament is far too little.The Laughing Man wrote: Really, I think at HSNCT American, English, Continental and World could be roughly equal without hurting conversion too much.
You forget that State College gets fed up when 62: A Model Kit appears in the leadin to that oh-so-easy Cortazar tossup. (I mean, hasn't every high school team read Around the Day in Eighty Worlds?)Matt Weiner wrote:That's more than even collegiate distributions do--world lit is 1/1 in ACF and ACF-like distros, but that's out of 5/5 including the extra 1/1 lit for tiebreakers. I'm not sure I would want to write 18/18 world lit for HSNCT or NSC; I think there are some problems with conversion when you get to that much. With that said, yeah, only 2/2 per tournament is far too little.The Laughing Man wrote: Really, I think at HSNCT American, English, Continental and World could be roughly equal without hurting conversion too much.
Glad to finally be able to see these, but why on earth is there more current events than fine arts, especially at HSNCT?bt_green_warbler wrote:R. informs me that while the weights for HSNCT are in fact very similar to the IS distribution, the HSNCT distribution shares certain features with our college distribution (notably the split of philosophy questions to ensure balance among eras).bt_green_warbler wrote:HSNCT uses the same weights as the posted distribution. I've asked R. to add this clarification.Matt Weiner wrote:I noticed that the high school distribution says it's for IS and IS-A sets; is there a reason HSNCT is not mentioned on that page?
Therefore we've posted a third page with the complete HSNCT distribution.
Some of the contributing factors here:MLWGS-Gir wrote:why on earth is there more current events than fine arts, especially at HSNCT?
I'll split this off to a new thread if you think it's too far afield a topic, but I disagree with this reasoning. It seems that, in reality, any team that consistently misses out on a qualification spot by a one-question swing in a single game will either qualify anyway at a different tournament*, or be accepted for a wild-card bid. Thus, I do not think the above hypothetical is a convincing argument against bifurcating the IS and HSNCT distributions.bt_green_warbler wrote:Consider here the case of a marginal HSNCT team that is strong in fine arts: if the HSNCT were significantly shifted, they could justifiably claim that they would perform better at HSNCT than a team that qualified ahead of them by answering that extra current events tossup that would go by the wayside at the more difficult tounament.
Matt's hypothetical scenario is not the only condition when this would hold true (consider the case of three teams in a circle of death for less than three top bracket spots; a strong fine arts team would be disadvantaged compared to a strong current events team if the tiebreaker used was points per game, or less strongly, bonus conversion). In the case of a small circuit with few qualifying tournaments and many quality teams, these scenarios could plausibly (though improbably) exist.Matt Weiner wrote:I'll split this off to a new thread if you think it's too far afield a topic, but I disagree with this reasoning. It seems that, in reality, any team that consistently misses out on a qualification spot by a one-question swing in a single game will either qualify anyway at a different tournament*, or be accepted for a wild-card bid. Thus, I do not think the above hypothetical is a convincing argument against bifurcating the IS and HSNCT distributions.bt_green_warbler wrote:Consider here the case of a marginal HSNCT team that is strong in fine arts: if the HSNCT were significantly shifted, they could justifiably claim that they would perform better at HSNCT than a team that qualified ahead of them by answering that extra current events tossup that would go by the wayside at the more difficult tounament.
*Since, under your scenario, this team must finish in exactly N+1th place at a tournament qualifying N teams, one loss behind the team in Nth place, and must lose one of their games by 90 or fewer points, and their opponent in that game must have gotten a current events tossup right, otherwise the scenario doesn't make sense. Also, this team must not qualify by any other tournnament, and thus not attend the HSNCT as a result. Is there any example of such a team actually existing?