Triple Elimination

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Triple Elimination

Post by ... and the chaos of Mexican modernity » Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:31 am

Say a team was to host a tournament with a round robin and then the teams go into a triple elimination bracket, is this possible?
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Re: Triple Elimination

Post by Mike Bentley » Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:38 pm

I imagine it would be easier for everyone if you just did a playoff round robin bracket than a complicated triple elimination system.
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Re: Triple Elimination

Post by Deviant Insider » Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:49 pm

This would involve a lot of matches. With two teams, triple elimination requires five matches. The relationship between matches and teams is similar to logarithmic growth (meaning that the growth slows as the number of teams increase), but there are probably too many matches for it to matter. This might be a decent way to run a tournament with a total of four teams to start the day, perhaps a little bit more, but I don't think what you are suggesting is a good idea.
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Re: Triple Elimination

Post by Deviant Insider » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:11 pm

I played around with it a little bit, and it looks like you could do eight teams in nine rounds, fewer than nine rounds if teams that lost during the round robin kept their losses so that they only needed one or two losses to be eliminated. Another problem with this system is that, no matter how many teams you have, if the top two teams consistently beat other teams but have inconsistent results against each other, then they play each other five times.
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Re: Triple Elimination

Post by NoahMinkCHS » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:09 pm

ReinsteinD wrote:I played around with it a little bit, and it looks like you could do eight teams in nine rounds
Thanks for figuring that out. Which means...
Bentley Like Beckham wrote:I imagine it would be easier for everyone if you just did a playoff round robin bracket than a complicated triple elimination system.
Since the latter option (RR) would take seven rounds, I concur with Mr. Bentley.

And if that doesn't suffice, I doubt anyone would feel shafted by double-elimination (or at least not significantly more so than with triple).
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Re: Triple Elimination

Post by Auroni » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:16 pm

again, I really don't see why you need to do this, given that other options require a less-ridiculous number of games and are less-confusing
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Re: Triple Elimination

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:02 pm

Also, triple-elim makes swiss pairing more difficult. Things I don't want to be more difficult: 1) Swiss pairing; 2) finding additional items for lists I make for rhetorical effect.
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Re: Triple Elimination

Post by Haaaaaaaarry Whiiiiiiiiiite » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:14 pm

And anyway, you'll have a lot of byes with triple-elimination, potentially.
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Re: Triple Elimination

Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:26 pm

This idea sucks.
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Re: Triple Elimination

Post by First Chairman » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:32 am

Chief Pride wrote:Say a team was to host a tournament with a round robin and then the teams go into a triple elimination bracket, is this possible?
Occam razor's rule of running tournaments: making the playoff format more complicated than your prelims is [dumb, insane, going to take forever].
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Re: Triple Elimination

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:06 am

ILoveReeses wrote:
Chief Pride wrote:Say a team was to host a tournament with a round robin and then the teams go into a triple elimination bracket, is this possible?
Occam razor's rule of running tournaments: making the playoff format more complicated than your prelims is [dumb, insane, going to take forever].
Really, you might as well run the playoffs with no-elim swiss pairing.
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Re: Triple Elimination

Post by cdcarter » Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:47 pm

everyday847 wrote:Really, you might as well run the playoffs with no-elim swiss pairing.
Somebody really likes swiss paring eh?

For most tournaments, unless you are like Brookwood with 100 teams, or you have some odd time constraints, there is no real reason not to do a (bracketed) RR followed by an advantaged final.
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Re: Triple Elimination

Post by Deviant Insider » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:02 pm

My opinion is that, unless a tournament is so small that every team can play every other team, the more you do some type of power matching/Swiss pairs the better. It's also a plus if it is impossible to be eliminated by one loss. However, as discussed above, it's generally necessary for teams to be eliminated by two losses.
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