Now that I'm not running off to eat, I will detail more fully the complete failures inherent in this post.
EricCohen wrote:Everyone who is criticizing Kunle's directing of the tournament clearly does not understand what goes into running these tournaments. Trust me - as someone who has run this before, there's a reason why no one has ever dared run the tournament more than once. You fail to realize how much work went into this tournament, as well as the effect of so many uncontrollable factors.
First of all, this is poisoning the well. You can't tell people who haven't run tournaments not to criticize them. Second of all, as has been mentioned, yeah, these people have run tournaments, and they do know what goes into it.
First of all, we started late because MANY SCHOOLS WERE LATE. That was the number one reason. The next most important thing was that we were severely understaffed, which was completely unpredictable. In high school, you have a set team. When someone doesn't show up to something, you have a teacher yelling at them.
Not necessarily. As has been mentioned before, about half of the top teams on the east coast these days are largely or entirely student-run.
In college, we're basically sending out desperate pleas every single day on a mysterious mailing list of 100 people, to beg them to wake up on a saturday, something that no one except a person with a large amount of dedication is likely to do.
Is there a reason this is your only way of recruiting staff? Because it's really not how things ought to be done. Mysterious anonymous people on a mailing list do not make good moderators. Seriously, don't let random untrained walk-ons moderate. Train your moderators, or at least have some confidence that they know what they are doing. If you can't manage this, don't run a tournament.
Secondly, all of the decisions made were done to move things along. I do not understand how people can possibly complain about a tournament that is done by about 6.
Nobody would complain about a tournament that ended by about 6, but the indication is that this tournament ended closer to 9. For a high school tournament, people have every right to complain about that. This is ignoring the fact that Princeton has, in the past, hosted tournaments that ended closer to 11pm.
I don't know the norm these days, but back when I was in high school, when a tournament finished before 7:30, it was an achievement, let alone at a tournament that has to be run simultaneously in 2 buildings due to its size.
From what I can recall, every competently-run
high school quiz bowl tournament I attended from 2003-2007 ended well before 7:30.
As Kunle has said, there was simply no time to compile individual stats, and there was never a demand for it that outweighed the demand for finishing the tournament promptly. We're not in a political campaign here - we can't please everyone by doing basically nothing. We have to conform to the demands of a 90% majority that want to get home ASAP as opposed to a 10% minority that would rather stay 2 extra hours but have individual stats.
This is a straw man. If the tournament had followed the long-accepted best-practice of using SQBS (or Taft, heh) for stats, this two-hour delay that you are inventing wouldn't exist. But people have addressed this point already.
For everyone complaining about our single elimination playoff format, we are running a tournament here. We are measuring a specific performance as well as ability. How about next time we run each match 30 times using 30 different packets, as that will certainly determine which team is better, and result in an unquestionable victor. I'm sure that would satisfy everyone.
Yeah, nobody is asking for this. We know it's a game. And hey, I will differ from many people on this board by saying there are valid reasons for doing single-elimination playoffs, like staffing issues and lack of interest in a more comprehensive playoff on the part of the teams involved. But you sort of lose whatever shred of credibility you have left when you trot out an argument like this.
The fact is, if you don't want to come to the tournament, don't come. We do the best we can with what and who we have, and any implications that we were being lazy or incompetent are just plain wrong. Every decision made was done so for a justifiable reason. Whether or not you might agree with it is your own business
I'm not about to accuse anyone of laziness, because I'm sure everyone worked very hard. But incompetence is kind of objective.
And one last thing. The personal attacks on Kunle are completely uncalled for, and simply reflect the level of immaturity that has been present in several of these posts. He has been working every spare moment (and this is not an easy school, so there aren't too many) on this tournament. If any of you are planning to continue doing quiz bowl in high school and college, I suggest you stop complaining and grow up.
Yes, quiet complacency and a love for the status quo is a sign of maturity.
Seriously, this entire post is an affront to me and everyone else in quiz bowl who has devoted countless hours running well-organized tournaments. Listen, "Eric Cohen", if that's your real name, I ran four tournaments in two years during high school, with the same number of teams or more as attended this Princeton tournament. All four of them finished before 6pm. All four of them had competent moderators. All four of them made me want to frickin' kill myself
the week before because of how much work I put into them. So don't go around telling me that incompetently run tournaments with no individual stats and terrible moderators are AOK and to be expected and part of quiz bowl, because seriously, they're not. I went to one Princeton tournament during my high school career, and it was easily the biggest "charlie foxtrot", as mystery NAQT member Frank Thomas would say, that I ever was involved in prior to the Weekend of Quizbowl. You had 64 teams at your tournament. You had them all play 11-game bracketed round robins. This took hours and hours, thanks to the tournament taking place in multiple buildings with decidedly incompetent moderators. You then held a single-elimination playoff that lasted until, seriously, 11pm. So yeah, 9pm is an improvement. This post is getting poorly organized and rageful, so I'll stop, but really, Eric Cohen, if there is someone who doesn't know how to run a quiz bowl tournament, it is you. You do not know what you are talking about.