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RESULTS: Duke Celeb Shoot on NOVEMBER 10

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:07 pm
by chelseahe
Duke University College Bowl is pleased to announce that we will host High School Celebrity Shoot on November 10, 2007. Please note the date change from November 17 due to a conflict with Richmond Co's Raider Academic Challenge.

Celebrity Shoot is a tournament where all the questions are written - i.e. no buzzers. All the answers are names of real, famous people. There is an individual test, which determines the rankings for the shoot-out, a team round, a category relay, and the signature NCAA-style "shootout" where the top 64 students from the individual test are narrowed down to just 1 winner via several rounds of questions. Prizes will be awarded for top individuals, teams, and underclassmen (freshmen & sophomores).

Registration is $55 for the first team of four students ($35 if registered before 11/1/07), and $5 for each additional student. If there are extra students not belonging to a team of 4, they may be combined into teams with extras from other schools. Coaches and chaperones are encouraged to compete as well; they will also be grouped into teams of 4. There is no charge for any coach(es) wishing to participate. Registration fee can be paid by cash or check (made out to Duke University College Bowl), and can be brought on the day of the tournament. To register, please email [email protected] and confirm how many students you will be bringing.

This year's tournament will be held in Biological Sciences 111 on Duke's West Campus. The address is 125 Science Drive, Durham, NC 27708. A map can be found at:
Parking will be available for $5 (game day fee) in the Bryan Center Parking Garage IV (click on Parking/Directions in the link above).

Registration will take place from 9:00am-9:30am in BioSci 111. The preliminary test and the team rounds will take place before lunch (approx. 12:30pm), and the category relays, bracket playoffs, and awards will be after lunch. The expected end time is 5:00pm.

Please email me with any questions or to register. Thanks.

Chelsea He
Duke University College Bowl

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:59 pm
by rchschem
For anyone else reading this, Richmond County normally holds their tournament this weekend, as it's (been) a Brookwood mirror (sort of). They're kind of locked into the date, and still planning to hold it then. Duke is looking at changing the date, bless them.


Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:41 pm
by First Chairman
Well, the original weekend was an away football game in which Duke travels to Notre Dame. In other words, we may actually have a chance to win (even if it still is less than a snowball's chance in Miami). :cool:

The other dates we're looking at are home football games.

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:44 pm
by rchschem
E.T. Chuck wrote:The other dates we're looking at are home football games.
Then there should be plenty of parking! :lol:


Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:34 pm
by First Chairman
That would be hoping that all the visiting fans take a single school bus to WW stadium... hee hee...

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:52 am
by DrakeRQB
Do we have any kind of field update?

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:29 pm
by rchschem
Just don't water the field.


Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:51 pm
by chelseahe
Field update:

Robinson High School
Harnett Central High School
Clayton High School
Arendell Parrott Academy
West Montgomery High School
Cardinal Gibbons High School (2 teams)
Jordan-Matthews High School (4 teams)
Pender High School (1 team)
NCSSM (4 teams)
Raleigh Charter High School (4+ teams)
Chapel Hill High School (2 teams)
Northwood High School (2 teams)

Please let me know how many students you plan to bring ASAP if you have not already done so. Thanks!

[email protected]


Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:52 am
by First Chairman
Final results

Official written test statistics (all zeros removed; all empty entries removed from stats posted on the board )
n = 144
avg 50.6
std 32.2

Among 113 students
avg 43.1
stdev 26.2
cutoff 34

Freshmen Sophomores n=47
avg 34.0
stdev 25.4

Paul Harvey Freshmen/Sophomore
Peter Schultz (10), Raleigh Charter A
Jihoon Baek (10), Robinson B
Andy Wertz (10), Clayton
Gautam Sanka (10), Raleigh Charter A

Top 4 seeds
Peter Schultz (120), Raleigh Charter A*
Gray Cannon (118), Robinson A
Will Cauley (98), Pender
Jonathon Vandezande (95), Raleigh Charter B
* This is the first time I remember that a sophomore has finished with the #1 overall seed.

Final individual placements
Note: the #3 bracket had an adjustment in format. We had to do a rapid reduction of students to get to a final four qualifier.
1) Peter Schultz, Raleigh Charter
2) Kevin Munger, Raleigh Charter
3) John Mace, Robinson
4) Sarah Stroud, Raleigh Charter

Student Team Totals
Somehow I'm missing the team sheets for all the coaches teams even though we calculated them on the computer in the room. Sorry. :(

Team Team # Prelims Team Foursomes Relay Team Total Team Rank Among Students
Raleigh Charter High School A 31 371 650 420 1441 2 1
Robinson High School A 11 337 470 290 1097 6 2
Raleigh Charter High School B 32 266 400 270 936 11 3
NCSSM A 27 280 430 220 930 12 4
Robinson High School B 12 228 420 280 928 13 5
Chapel Hill High School 36 242 420 230 892 14 6
Arendell Parrott Academy A 17 234 420 230 884 15 7
Cardinal Gibbons High School A 20 198 330 310 838 16 8
Clayton High School 16 214 330 260 804 17 9
NCSSM B 28 212 420 170 802 18 10
NCSSM C 29 220 380 200 800 19 11
Chapel Hill High School (mixed) 41 158 410 160 728 20 12
Raleigh Charter High School C 33 213 370 140 723 21 13
Harnett Central High School A 14 195 380 130 705 22 14
Raleigh Charter High School D 34 195 300 210 705 22 14
Pender High School 26 134 420 140 694 24 15
Cardinal Gibbons High School B 21 127 280 150 557 25 17
Robinson High School C 13 82 330 100 512 26 18
Jordan-Matthews High School A 22 114 330 60 504 27 19
Harnett Central High School (mixed) 40 85 270 110 465 28 20
Raleigh Charter High School E 35 107 260 90 457 29 21
Richmond Senior High School 39 85 210 160 455 30 22
Northwood High School A 38 124 210 110 444 31 23
Jordan-Matthews High School C 24 98 220 60 378 32 24
West Montgomery High School 19 118 190 60 368 33 25
NCSSM (mixed) 42 88 160 110 358 34 26
Jordan-Matthews High School B 23 69 190 60 319 35 27
Arendell Parrott Academy B 18 47 160 100 307 36 28
Northwood High School (mixed) 43 25 25 37 29

Case HSCS results

Re: Results

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:19 pm
by DrakeRQB
Will Run PACE for Reese's wrote: Top 4 seeds
Peter Schultz (120), Raleigh Charter A*
Gray Cannon (118), Robinson A
Will Cauley (98), Pender
Jonathon Vandezande (95), Raleigh Charter B
* This is the first time I remember that a sophomore has finished with the #1 overall seed.
Betsy said she was pretty sure Will Schultz was #1 overall as a sophomore in 2003-04.

We had fun yesterday.

Re: Results

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:36 pm
by rchschem
DrakeRQB wrote: Betsy said she was pretty sure Will Schultz was #1 overall as a sophomore in 2003-04.
True, according to the official stats. Incidentally, he was #1 as a freshman (though he lost to his brother in the finals) and again as a junior, winning both as a sophomore and a junior. His senior year he didn't compete.


Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:00 pm
by First Chairman
Ah... thanks for clarification.

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:09 pm
by pakman044
I will be shortly posting the full stats on the web (I'm waiting to get one piece of the stats that I'm missing). Meanwhile, while I'm waiting, I did engage in a little graph-making. These are the scores on the preliminary test for students for the six years HSCS has been held at Duke (2002-2007). The maximum score is 200.


Granted, these years aren't truly comparable (the question difficulty changes from year to year as I can attest), but it's interesting to look at it.

Here is the source data for this graph.
*2005: ... s/hscs.htm

Patrick King

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:08 am
by pakman044
Okay, here are the final web stats for the 2007 edition of the HSCS:

This is my fifth HSCS in the six years at Duke (one as a student, and four as a volunteer). As a relative "outsider" (the good folks down the road in Raleigh were my higher education providers), it impresses me that the Duke club runs a top-notch competition consistently each year, and especially this year. And to add to that, this feat was accomplished with the largest number of student competitors since the first year in 2002.

Patrick King

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:34 pm
by First Chairman
That graph is freakin' cool... I wish I had kept all my data over the years at Case to do this too. :)

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:24 pm
by pakman044
Will Run PACE for Reese's wrote:That graph is freakin' cool... I wish I had kept all my data over the years at Case to do this too. :)
You're lucky I had them all too, between the number of AFS restores I've had to do (each time I've done an AFS restore, it's reset the AFS permissions). The 02 stats were back when I was playing, and so they'd been sitting on my UNC AFS account since then (they still haven't taken away my access even though it's been over 3 years since my summer 04 classes there!).

The graph actually isn't a good portrayal because HSCS at Duke has varied from about 85 students (2004) to 113 (2002 & 2007). Generally speaking, the absolute bottom fluctuates due to question difficulty, the top fluctuates due to personnel and question difficulty, and the middle seems to be influenced most by the number of students. Maybe I can come up with a better graph than that.

These were the relative cut lines. The cuts were actually a little lower than #64 most years because some people opted out, but I'm too lazy to actually go look that data up (plus the shootout bracket in 2002 is lost to the mist of time):

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Rank   2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
n      113  85   100  106  95   113
 1     147  129  147  116  145  120
16      96   66   66   58   89   77
32      75   47   47   43   67   56
48      62   33   35   32   54   46
64      55   21   30   25   39   34 
Different places in the field are doing different things as the years have progressed, and I'm not really certain why this is happening. It seems like the top piece of the field is responding better to changes in difficulty than the bottom, which is interesting. Part of that I think has to do with the nature of quiz bowl in North Carolina.

One thing I can say for sure is that there's no way I'd score the 94 that got me a #17 back in 2002 today!

Patrick King

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:18 pm
by rchschem
What's up with the odd/even year fluctuation?

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:58 pm
by pakman044
Here's another graph I made. This is a 4 panel chart, but if you click the link (the image), you'll get a chart that's actually viewable (the full chart is roughly 1800x1200, which will certainly break the CSS for the bulletin board!). The four panels left to right, top to bottom are total team preliminary score, team foursomes (team conferral round), category relay (team round with one person at a time), and total score. The first three are 800 point rounds; the last is a 2400 point total. (EDIT: Note, like the other graph, these are STUDENT teams only, but include student teams mixed from different schools).


Generally the dark blue is 2002, and it is usually higher (much higher for Foursomes!) than other years. The exception is category relay, which I think is because teams didn't know how to strategize for it (it was the first year of HSCS).

On Eric's point about odd/even fluctuation: I'm not really sure it's an odd/even year thing but more of a variation in question difficulty, number of individuals, and personnel. Much of the fluctuation I think is in variation of question difficulty, but it also has to do with how many individuals there are (fewer individuals pull more individuals from the middle of the distribution, which means the descent in the middle is more steeper).

The telling trend I think is the difference between 2002 and 2003-7. Especially for individuals and in foursomes, 2002 was a much more significantly higher scoring year than any other year after (the cut for the individual shootout was a 55 in 2002; in subsequent years, that would get you a pretty good seed. 2006 came closer to 2002 in some aspects, but there's still a significant gap, especially for the middle part of the field.

The good news is that the teams finally seem to be getting better about handling the Category Relay. Given the high scoring nature of 2002 in almost every aspect, it's kind of shocking how poorly teams did with respect to later years. This first year blip is what distorts the trend in total team score (out of 2400) for 2002 versus later years because the category relay performance in 2002 was that bad!

Patrick King

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:56 am
by First Chairman
I'm hoping some of the Ohio people could see this thread too. Anthony???

Yeah, Cat Relay is hard to figure out the first time you're ever confronted wit it. Admittedly, it's pretty sadistic, but it does put an emphasis of knowing your team well and adjusting. But yes, as soon as one gets used to it, it's not a bad format. :)

The other factor in question variability is certainly the authors. I admit there are times when even I have to step back and edit questions the right way. :) Of course, I never claim this to be a standardized test, so it's hard to be consistent, especially knowing that many people have copies of the past questions.

Which reminds me... I will be sending that out at some point. :)

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:11 pm
by rchschem
The "funny answer" recognition was lame. Col. Mustard for George Custer doesn't compare to my "Capt. Joe Hazelwood" for the author of The Drunken Boat.