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I will say this: I saw it with my own two eyes and twenty years from now will still not believe I saw what I saw. I know they are a really good team, and this performance does not change that.DumbJaques wrote:WhatMaryland 79
First off, congrats to team Illinois for the championship, and to all 6 teams for making the finals. It's hard enough at CAC (as a player my teams were 4th and 2nd in D1), so I'm sure it's crazy at PAC.CoachJET wrote:Good job Team Florida! 4th, 2nd, and 3rd place over the last three years of PAC...perhaps next year will be the year we bring the title back home!
And congrats to Illinois and Missouri!
My great honor to make your and the rest of Big Mo's acquaintance .... besides showing a lot of class, you guys got the two biggest laughs of the weekend:charlieDfromNKC wrote:I must say, Illinois's PAC title has been a long time coming. Congratulations!
Ruh Roh!Hello, this is Emily from Florida. I am trying to find Charlie Dees from Missouri to ask him a question.
There's a Charlie Dees on this board?embily718 wrote:Hello, this is Emily from Florida. I am trying to find Charlie Dees from Missouri to ask him a question. So, Charlie Dees, if you read this, please send me an email at [email protected] . Thanks!
charlieDfromNKC *might* be the person you're looking for. Or he could be a /b/tard imposter posing as him, we'll never know.embily718 wrote:Hello, this is Emily from Florida. I am trying to find Charlie Dees from Missouri to ask him a question. So, Charlie Dees, if you read this, please send me an email at [email protected] . Thanks!
re: #1, I think Dave puts it best when he says that this is not quizbowl. If you expect quizbowl, you'll be disappointed. If you expect a competition and fun and Disney, you won't be (unless you're losing).BobGHHS wrote: (1) The trip was awesome, the format was whack. As much as I, or anyone else want to diss the format, the trip to the Disney Parks, and all the other goodies that came with the tournament were definitely worth it. If we only had a few more days to visit.
(4) California's coach was by far the most attractive, followed closely by Dave Bykowski.
No, you're right. I'm not sure why...maybe teams that know about outside tournaments don't go because they're not used to a different format and then continue to be unfamiliar and not go, and the cycle continues? A lot of them don't seem to know what's out there. We tried to get more Florida teams to come to the PACE national championship when we had it in Orlando in 2005, but they just didn't seem interested for the most part.MrSchnippert wrote: Now, from everything I see on this board, it seems like we (Florida) are generally absent from the world of quizbowl outside of PAC. Am I seeing things wrong? If I'm not, why is that?
Here are a couple of small observations:Kechara wrote:No, you're right. I'm not sure why...maybe teams that know about outside tournaments don't go because they're not used to a different format and then continue to be unfamiliar and not go, and the cycle continues? A lot of them don't seem to know what's out there. We tried to get more Florida teams to come to the PACE national championship when we had it in Orlando in 2005, but they just didn't seem interested for the most part.MrSchnippert wrote: Now, from everything I see on this board, it seems like we (Florida) are generally absent from the world of quizbowl outside of PAC. Am I seeing things wrong? If I'm not, why is that?
That's the key here is the insular-ness. I can see a team from Miami not wanting to go to a tournament in South Carolina, but the northern Florida teams can fairly easily go outside FL, GA, and AL and still keep it to the same kind of distance that non-FL teams regularly travel. They just don't seem to care about doing so.CoachJET wrote: I guess most FL high schools just don't feel inclined to travel far during the season. I've always felt that FL quiz bowl is very insular; most FL teams go to nearby FL tournaments, or maybe to events in Georgia or Alabama. I don't really know why that is.
To be honest though, I feel that ultimately quiz bowl in FL just isn't as big as it is in the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic states. I hope that changes.
None shall ever know.ecks wrote:charlieDfromNKC *might* be the person you're looking for. Or he could be a /b/tard imposter posing as him, we'll never know.embily718 wrote:Hello, this is Emily from Florida. I am trying to find Charlie Dees from Missouri to ask him a question. So, Charlie Dees, if you read this, please send me an email at [email protected] . Thanks!
My coaches just didn't care. They never mentioned anything to us, so we didn't know of anything. I actually would have gotten a third year at CAC if my coaches had just mentioned the tryouts to me my sophomore year. The format thing is the kicker. Other than the I-4 corridor teams (Daytona, Orlando, Lakeland, Tampa), no one else plays on their crappy format the rest of the year. Most districts are on much more traditional formats.Kechara wrote:No, you're right. I'm not sure why...maybe teams that know about outside tournaments don't go because they're not used to a different format and then continue to be unfamiliar and not go, and the cycle continues? A lot of them don't seem to know what's out there. We tried to get more Florida teams to come to the PACE national championship when we had it in Orlando in 2005, but they just didn't seem interested for the most part.MrSchnippert wrote: Now, from everything I see on this board, it seems like we (Florida) are generally absent from the world of quizbowl outside of PAC. Am I seeing things wrong? If I'm not, why is that?
While Team FL's trip is paid for, every district that pays for CAC shells out a TON of money. Our group had 5 rooms for 4 nights at 229 a night, plus 9 registrations at 375. That's $7955 before transportation and other meals. Not exactly chump change. Most of the D3 schools are single school teams, and a good number of other districts seem to be too (I know Broward has been all 4 years I was there, as one example). CAC has both the Disney factor and the fact that it is the 'official' event.CoachJET wrote:Here are a couple of small observations:Kechara wrote:No, you're right. I'm not sure why...maybe teams that know about outside tournaments don't go because they're not used to a different format and then continue to be unfamiliar and not go, and the cycle continues? A lot of them don't seem to know what's out there. We tried to get more Florida teams to come to the PACE national championship when we had it in Orlando in 2005, but they just didn't seem interested for the most part.MrSchnippert wrote: Now, from everything I see on this board, it seems like we (Florida) are generally absent from the world of quizbowl outside of PAC. Am I seeing things wrong? If I'm not, why is that?
1. Team Florida's PAC trip is totally paid for by private sponsors. It was State Farm for the five years before this year, and this year they had a new sponsor(s). So that's a big incentive for Florida to go to PAC (aside from the fact that we host the darn thing). And we typically do well there because we are so used to the format and very prepared for it.
2. Team Florida is an all-star team, selected at the CAC state tournament. But unlike PAC, most other tournaments--state and national--are for individual high schools. I guess most FL high schools just don't feel inclined to travel far during the season. I've always felt that FL quiz bowl is very insular; most FL teams go to nearby FL tournaments, or maybe to events in Georgia or Alabama. I don't really know why that is.
To be honest though, I feel that ultimately quiz bowl in FL just isn't as big as it is in the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic states. I hope that changes.
This is a big factor. A team in Chicago that can travel 6 hours can get to 7 states and Ontario. A team in Miami can probably get to the GA border, if they don't hit a lot of traffic. From Jax, even 6 hours doesn't get to NC or to much of AL. We probably just need to do more to develop quiz bowl in Florida, so that teams can tune-up for national events on tournaments they can reach.Kechara wrote:That's the key here is the insular-ness. I can see a team from Miami not wanting to go to a tournament in South Carolina, but the northern Florida teams can fairly easily go outside FL, GA, and AL and still keep it to the same kind of distance that non-FL teams regularly travel. They just don't seem to care about doing so.CoachJET wrote: I guess most FL high schools just don't feel inclined to travel far during the season. I've always felt that FL quiz bowl is very insular; most FL teams go to nearby FL tournaments, or maybe to events in Georgia or Alabama. I don't really know why that is.
To be honest though, I feel that ultimately quiz bowl in FL just isn't as big as it is in the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic states. I hope that changes.
charlieDfromNKC wrote:None shall ever know.ecks wrote:charlieDfromNKC *might* be the person you're looking for. Or he could be a /b/tard imposter posing as him, we'll never know.embily718 wrote:Hello, this is Emily from Florida. I am trying to find Charlie Dees from Missouri to ask him a question. So, Charlie Dees, if you read this, please send me an email at [email protected] . Thanks!
And why would I want to give out my email? It's infinitely more amusing when people say what they have to on the board.
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Last I heard, DumbJaques still had space on his team.embily718 wrote: Ok, what I'm trying to find out is if there is any way I can possibly latch onto a team for the Fun'N'Sun tournament. I tried to put my own team together, but nobody from my area wanted to drive 8 hours to go to a tournament, so I wasn't able to. I guess what I'm trying to ask is if you ahve an available space on your team because I noticed on the message board for that that you planned on attending. I could contribute financially to the registration and all that stuff. Thank you for your speedy reply!
Academic Initiative would gladly provide questions for tournaments in FL, including a very inexpensive set in the PACE format. http://www.aiquizbowl.com </plug>MrSchnippert wrote: We probably just need to do more to develop quiz bowl in Florida, so that teams can tune-up for national events on tournaments they can reach.
Well, I know that quite a few teams in the Panhandle go to the FSU and UF tournaments, but the problem is that they really don't go outside of Florida. Maybe to Brookwood in GA, but that's about it.David Riley wrote:Fllorida people: If I'm not mistaken, there are several Florida universities that host tournaments. Bug your coaches to check these out!
But budgets might be a factor; this is why many Illinois tams don't travel.
This is at least partially due to IHSA restrictions though, isn't it?ReinsteinD wrote:Over 99% of matches played by Illinois teams each year are inside the state of Illinois. I know of only four teams that left the state this year, and that includes one team that had a total round trip driving time under an hour and another team that rode with us in our van.
It was roughly analogous to falling out of a tree and hitting every branch on the way down.Quote:
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I think the format difference is overemphasized and it's much more a matter of time and money.ReinsteinD wrote:Florida is not unusual in playing its matches in-state. Over 99% of matches played by Illinois teams each year are inside the state of Illinois. I know of only four teams that left the state this year, and that includes one team that had a total round trip driving time under an hour and another team that rode with us in our van.
What makes Florida unusual is that it has a format that is very different than the rest of the country, so it is difficult for its teams to adjust to regular quizbowl, and it is difficult for teams from other states to adjust to its format.
Pics?!aestheteboy wrote:Some observations:
1. That girl from Indiana was by FAR the most beautiful quizbowl (or should I say academic challenge) player I've ever seen.
Yeah, the schools here in the Panhandle do not use the CAC/PAC format in their own tournaments. It's mostly schools in central Florida (Polk County, etc.) that use it locally. We only practice with it to get ready for state.F Hooper wrote:Many of the students are on academic teams that play other formats, I'm not even certain most FL high school "quiz bowl type" teams use the PAC format (CoachJet could address that question for schools in our area).
There aren't really any besides nationals (although there will be a set produced for this coming year).but I don't know of any PACE events.
If only more Missouri coaches would catch on to this observation.F Hooper wrote: My point being that these kids are flexible and have little or no difficulty switching formats - they're bright kids, they can handle it, and it's probably good for them.
PACE as an organization only does the national championship set, and most teams are not familiar enough with the PACE format to write a tournament in it, even if they've played it and enjoyed it.CoachJET wrote: I know that several tournaments in north Florida use NAQT, but I don't know of any PACE events.
What all is going on at the middle school llevel in FL, and how widespread is it?F Hooper wrote: my middle schooler was on the MathCounts team, Mu Alpha Theta, KnowledgeMasters, a middle school academic team, and the FL Jr Beta Club academic team
Well if all else fails... we know now that Papa could have a successful career as a boxer... he all kinds of decked his teammate during the semifinals in our room -- after his teammate shouted an answer when they weren't the team recognized.Although I still haven't figured out how we (Kentucky) managed to suck so badly in the finals, I wish to congratulate everyone who thrash our pathetic, floundering selves. Props, particularly to Illinois. To answer someone's question, I don't remember who's, we got in late on Friday and did not get a chance to play the practice rounds. Lame. But not nearly as lame as our final round.
I believe the proper response from me is "thank you." Regardless, that's a little frightening to think about, so I went through every team and every coach I could think of, and then I was truly scared.BobGHHS wrote:(4) California's coach was by far the most attractive, followed closely by Dave Bykowski.
Now I know the real reason why you guys wanted to scrimmage with Indiana!aestheteboy wrote:1. That girl from Indiana was by FAR the most beautiful quizbowl (or should I say academic challenge) player I've ever seen.