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The old thread is past its prime, and it's time to move on to a new thread. School will be here in a few weeks, and shortly thereafter, the Scholastic Bowl season will be as well. And, as all pre-season's go, it's time for some speculation!

My top 10:

10. Decatur MacArthur. They may have lost Donald, but the rest of them are quite good. Watch out, northern teams.

9. Winnetka New Trier. They lost their Big Three to graduation. Will the returning juniors and the sophomores stepping up from Frosh/Soph be enough? It will be an interesting season, for sure.

8. Buffalo Grove. A solid team from the hardest sectional of them all.

7. Hoffman Estates. A touch better than Buffalo Grove.

6. Maine South. They graduated some seniors, but the underclassmen will be bringing it.

5. Lincolnshire Stevenson. They may have lost...well, pretty much everybody, but they are Stevenson. They have always been a good team, and they will always be a good team.

4. Loyola. They went to sectionals last year on a team with 4/5 underclassmen, and they return their captain. Definitely a team to watch out for.

3. Wheaton North. Probably a little higher than they deserve, but after the #1 team, it's not that clear cut. However, they always have boatloads of talent and skill, and are experienced. Losing Jim and Devin will hurt, though.

2. Palatine Fremd. They lost 4/5 starters, but also return First Team All Stater Alex Beata, and infuse some good talent from the underclassmen. With Stevenson graduating their team, this should be the year they take the bloodbath regional.

1. Rockford Auburn. They return Colleen Powers and Tyler Kerr, essentially a team within itself. In my opinion, they are far and away the best team in Illinois. They were the favorites to take state last year; can they accomplish it this year?

You could probably interchange any team from 5-10, by the way.

Before everyone (specifically styxman) throws rocks at me, I left out Class A teams on purpose, because I know very little about them. However, I think Latin and Winnebago could both make this top 10.

Also, I'm sure the coaches can do a much better top 10 than I can.
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Looks like a respectable list to me. I'm flattered that you ranked Fremd so high. Now that we have that kind of recognition, let's just hope we can live up to it. I, for one, can't wait to face some of the teams on this list.

Just a general question... does anyone know who else is on Auburn's starting five? I'm just curious who they have for math/science people, unless Tyler and Colleen have that covered that too...
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Tyler is science, he does very well in Bio and Chem at WYSE team, and isn't bad at math, either. John Brown will be a sophomore, and Ross Makulec and another senior will also start, I believe. Colleen, fill in the holes.


Latin probably deserves to be in the top 10, but not Bago, not until we actually beat one of the teams in the top 10 to deserve it. Personally, the fact that no Latin kids made all-state last year is a travesty that will get solved...their big hitter was a sophomore, which probably lost him some votes.

The Class AA ranks, from me:

1: Auburn. Tyler could own 95% of the teams in Illinois singlehandedly. Add Colleen, it jumps to 99%. Add the rest, and they should win State.

(This is now how many years in a row this has been said?)

2: Fremd. The only Junior not named Tyler or Colleen to make All State for Class AA is Alex Beata. First Team, no less, and a proven Junior leading a Senior-filled team takes precedence over no known names. 1-2 should be set for every top 10 list, simply because of this.

3-5 Wheaton North, Stevenson, and Loyola, all tied: Because their underclassmen haven't seperated themselves from the pack.

The rest is too muddled to make out in preseason, especially for someone who doesn't get to see Class AA, especially the Chicago tournaments, that often.

Class A:

1. Latin. Haven't been taken down yet by a team...Tourdot's the only one to do it in 5 years, and she had AJ as well.

2. Byron. Because it will be a cold day in hell when a team outside of the Big Northern Conference or Latin loses at state series this year. I saw how weak all the teams were downstate last year in Class A. 2 200 point games out of non-Latin teams! Both in Round 1. Big Northern/Latin will own State Series next year.

So why did I put Byron 2nd, and Bago 3rd? Bago was 1-2 vs. Byron last year. They graduated 1 senior, we graduated 6. I could write an essay on why we are going to win this year, but I'll spare everyone the time. Sum it up: Byron gets their props now for their victory last year, and Bago gets the props next March.

3: Bago. Hi.

4: Peoria Heights. Dylan Troxel is rather good at Social Studies, placed at SEMO, and made 1st team as a Junior. Beware, whatever sectional that is.

5: Fairfield. A 2nd team all-stater, plus tradition, plus a potentially easy sectional.

Apart from that, everything needs tournaments to get sorted out. Good luck to everyone for 05-06, and see you at the Solo!

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1: Auburn (obviously). The big reason they have a better shot this time is b/c their core has not graduated.

2-5: Stevenson, WN, Fremd, and Loyola. Graduation hit these teams hard, but it will be interesting to see how these teams make up. If I had to pick one, it'd have to be Fremd b/c Beata's not done yet.

As for Class A, styxman, it's usually a big surprise when someone besides Latin or another Big Northern team wins, and don't expect that to change.

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Ok, well, all prognostication aside, what's up with Moderator Certification? Anything happening on that front for next year?

(Ok, ok, I can't resist:
1. Auburn - Kerr. Powers. Wham. Bam. Thank you Ma'am.
2. Fremd - Beata+a good frosh/soph team moving up= State Title?
3. Wheaton North - While perennial favourites, we might see WN slide in the rankings a bit once the season starts.
4. Maine South - Mr. Egan recieves quite a bit of talent from Mr. Biondo in 05-06.
5. St. Ignatius - They're frosh/soph was playing Varsity last year, and they were a threat then, and this is next year, so...
[I just couldn't rate my own team without feeling guilty. And also the only Class A team we really face all year is Latin, and we didn't face them at all last year, since they didn't play a whole lot])

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I'm not sure exactly who will be starting for Auburn (besides Tyler, of course, and I, the token lit girl), but Siva Sundaram '09 will almost certainly be up there. He captained the West Middle School team for his last two years of junior high, winning state both times. He's basically Tyler, Jr. The other three are up for grabs between sophomore John Brown (who may fall from grace now that there's a new little whiz kid) and the other four or five seniors.

My top five pretty much mirrors Trevkeeper's. I can't say much about some of the Chicago-area teams, since we go to more tournaments closer to Rockford, but obviously those are the teams to beat. I'm most afraid of Fremd.
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I'm going to have to add my vote that Auburn will own this year. Heck, Tyler was owning teams when I was a Senior. I remember 'Bago Tourney '04 when he led the Auburn B team and made it to the 3rd place match.

As for Class A, I'm going to throw in a dark horse vote for Galena along with the BN and Latin. Deep down though I have to believe that Latin will continue to run away with it. Perhaps if the Big Northern teams ever got to see Latin during the year it would be a different story; as we all know, knowledge is power, and knowledge of your opponent is just as key as knowledge of the 23rd vice president. But in my tenure at 'Bago I didn't face Latin at all until State.
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I've thought of some possibly decent teams that no one's mentioned thus far.

IMSA: They've had good teams in the past; they were decent last year but, I seem to recall, were in Wheaton North's sectional. Yeah, they lost some seniors, but so did a lot of teams on these top ten lists, and I think they had some juniors who started last year, although I could be wrong.

Carbondale: They were at state last year (having beaten Dec Mac in that much-discussed second round of sectionals). Justin Stoncius took first in math at SEMO...they might be the southern Illinois team to watch this year.

Bloomington: Last year's team was respectable; they lost to Morton and John Smillie at sectionals. Kristina Warren, Hunter Fast, and Vikram Karandikar all did well at SEMO, and their coach knows what she's doing.

Stevenson, Wheaton North, and New Trier have lost some of their best players; these teams might be worthy opponents.
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Vik is quite the science guy. I'll be surprised if Bloomington doesn't win their sectional now that Smillie is gone.
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If Bloomington is gonna win that sectional, they're gonna have to beat Normal West. Greg Baboukis might be the best player to come out of that sectional next year.

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I just have to comment on my (gasp!) alma mater, New Trier...
Going into 04-05, we did almost a full reload, losing all of our key players, and didn't think we were going to do too well. But Coach Reinstein whipped us into shape and we ended up having a better season than we expected...this year's seniors and juniors could very well end up doing quite well.

But yes, having seen Tyler on Panasonic, Auburn does appear to be the team to beat, and I agree on the general top 5, still.
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Bloomington will definately be a force next year, at least downstate. With Vik, Kristina, and Hunter they'll be potent. They also have another guy, Michael Leiter IIRC, that contributes plenty of toss-ups as well. Along with a good coach, they'll be tough.

I haven't seen Normal West play, but I'll take DaGeneral's word for it. I think Vik may have mentioned Greg Baboukis to me at camp, but didn't seem too worried about him.

I predict Morton will once again be a force in that sectional. John may be gone, but last year when he was averaging seven toss-ups a match, they had a soph (Jonathan Riley, I believe) answering about 2.5 a match, so he'll be tough next year. And of course John's little brother, Alexander Smillie, will be a soph next year. So Bloomington should look out for those guys as well.

And as far as class A goes, I could always put in a shameless plug for my team. I predict Peoria Heights to do well. None of us studied on our own last year, which was really stupid, because by the time IHSA rolled around we were rusty and lacked the depth of knowledge necessary to go far. Eureka (runner-up in state, so no shame in losing to them in regionals) surprised everyone in the sectional. But this year we'll be sure to study and hopefully see some of you guys at state.
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Just becuase Alexander is John's brother doesn't mean that he'll be a force like John was. That's not to say he couldn't be. I'll get the ball rolling with predictions for sectional winners:

Auburn (of course)
Wheaton North (they lost two all-staters, but they still have Greg)
Fremd (have a returning all-stater)
Bloomington (with the returning players, they will dominate that sectional)
Bradley-Bourbonnais (three-peat in sectionals?)
Fenwick (again, three-peat?)
Loyola (this is the year that Riley gets a trophy that is long overdue)
And as for my old stomping grounds, I am undecided. Crazy things can and do happen in that sectional.

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Post by mlaird »

Well, ummm.... I've noticed that no bigwigs have gotten into this conversation yet. I wonder why that is. But I'd definately like to know what's going to change next year in terms of new rules and especially moderator certification. I'll drop a line in the old thread, so if everyone's watching that one, then they'll get an e-mail.

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Judging from the rankings and commentary, the current state of knowledge regarding Illinois 05-06 is:

There’s Auburn, Beata, and everybody else.

This is all we know, but, in the spirit of Mel Kiper Jr.’s 7-round mock drafts, guesses must be made. Extrapolations from the above statement have been made to fill out a top 10 (or 5) list. Seemingly, the teams after Auburn (correctly said to be “far and away the best team in Illinoisâ€
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popculture wrote:Judging from the rankings and commentary, the current state of knowledge regarding Illinois 05-06 is:

There’s Auburn, Beata, and everybody else.
I see a lot of love for Stevenson, Wheaton North, New Trier, even DMac and IMSA. I even saw one or two people not mention Fremd (who will be a great team, again)
Seemingly, the teams after Auburn (correctly said to be “far and away the best team in Illinoisâ€

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Deerfield's Frosh/Soph is pretty good, in the CSL tournament final last year they beat us about 155-115 (And, if I hadn't made one of the stupides early buzzes I made all year we probably would have won, but that's the way it goes). We we very even with them back then, but I think some of the frosh/soph players have improved since then. Are they a good team without Michael Bilow? Yes. Are they good enough to make it to state? I currently don't think so, but only because Bilow was essentially their entire team, it will be interesting to see whether they can step up. Because our sectional is relatively wide open (the current favorite would be Loyola, I think), there's a shot they could make it to sectionals again, but state is questionable. But hey, that's why they play the matches.
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So far, everyone posting on here has placed Auburn as "far and away the best team in Illinois," and while I like to see accolades for my team, I will say this: the thing that's going to hurt us will be a lack of interest among our own players. After talking to teammates, I'm concerned that we'll even be able to field a five-person team; several of my fellow team members have expressed doubts about enduring another year of a rigorous schedule and sketchy politics. Maybe this is a more common phenomenon than I think...?
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Interestingly enough, our school has the opposite problem. We even have seniors (with no schobowl experience) joining the team. Maybe it was the taste of winning we had with last year's very talented senior class, but I think it comes from something else... we have a ton of fun. I'm friends with most of the players on the team outside of school, and they're all great guys. For example, last year in Springfield on the eve of the Masonic State Tournament, our team prepared by... watching Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle. I'm glad I'm in a program that is able to have fun like this, while still being quite competitive.
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If you Illinois folks have opinions on computational math, I'd like to hear them. Answer my questions here.

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Mr. Pop, to counter your point about Gauthier qualifying as a freshman for the Solo desperation shot, at DMac there was one of those in 03-04 named Jared Carter, but he won't be around until mid-January.

As for All-State status, I was a 2-time 1st teamer, so I know some stuff. IMO, the key is not average stats or best games, but how they do against top-level competition. My junior year, I had several games where I got 10+ tossups, but as one of my best games, I put where i got 8/24 against WN (the 3rd time they won state). Good players can get tons of tossups against below average teams, but the best can put up those numbers against the best of the best. More or less, I'm agreeing with Egan.

But on the other side, it depends on the kind of player. I was a generalist with specialties in Math and Lit, so I could put up big numbers (I averaged 8-9 TU/match my senior year), but what about specialists who focus on one category? They don't get a lot of TUs, but the best specialists are dangerously consistent.

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I thought someone was talking about how stats should be posted somewhere, and if stats were sent to me, I'd be happy to post them on my website, http://www.machello.com. It's already got a Scholastic Bowl page set up with some study stuff posted and more coming soon. Just a thought. I'm not going to make predictions about sectionals, since my track record is usually very bad on predictions, and I'd probably wind up jinxing whoever I choose.
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I think the best way to keep stats would be to convince more Tournament Directors to use SQBS, a program the some people developed that gives results and statistics easily once the information put in. After they do that, they could put a link to the results on their team page or something. Convincing people to use it might be hard though.

Also, from what I can tell, it's not much work, but I have never personally used it. I know it's default is set to NAQT rules, but I believe it can be adjusted to many types of play, including Illinois style.

Mr. Laird, you used SQBS (and operated it yourself, if I remember correctly) at NAQT State at Loyola last year, did you not? How did you like it? Is it worth it?
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Trevkeeper wrote:Mr. Laird, you used SQBS (and operated it yourself, if I remember correctly) at NAQT State at Loyola last year, did you not? How did you like it? Is it worth it?
No, I was busy moderating, and my former teammate, Mark Haase was doing it. I was looking over his shoulder for the most part, and it seemed simple enough. There were some snags in it, including that I believe it limited the number of players per team. Since NAQT is less than IL already, we start out with -1. So those teams that will put in the whole 'B' Team in an afternoon round for the last question really throws things off. I'll probably be doing it for this year's NAQT tournament, and I'll try to make it work for Florida at the Ultima, but the latter is definately iffy.

And... Moderator Certification, anyone? News? I'm looking mostly at you, Messrs. Egan and Reinstein!

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mlaird wrote:And... Moderator Certification, anyone? News? I'm looking mostly at you, Messrs. Egan and Reinstein!
The test is in the final stages of preparation, and should be available some time in November (with the need to publicize). There will likely be a few bugs in the system to work out first, but hopefully we can get started around that time.

We are fleshing out the last few errors / details of disagreement. Otherwise it looks good!

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I bet the coaches already know this, but being a student, I'm out of the loop....
Does anyone know the full list of teams who will be at Loyola Ultima this year? How about the date (the IHSSBCA website says October 15/22)? Thanks a lot.
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I think I can field this one. :grin:

Invitations will be sent out this week to the 9 teams that are eligible. I will give them until Sept 22 or so to respond. If all 9 teams do not respond in the affirmative, then I will invite other teams to take their place. The nine teams (initially) are Loyola, Fremd, Stevenson, MacArthur, New Trier, Wheaton North, Auburn, Fenwick and Bloomington.

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The date has been confirmed for Oct 22

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Sweet. That's good for Juniors, since the 15th is PSAT testing (at least here). Should be fun, I heard it has an interesting format? I dunno, no one ever told me.
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Ultima is done in Panasonic format except for that everyone gets their own buzzer

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DaGeneral wrote:Ultima is done in Panasonic format except for that everyone gets their own buzzer
It didn't used to be that way, back in the day before we had 4-team buzzers. And the Ultima also uses question sets that are much less lengthy than true Panasonic format; I think Panasonic is like, 180 questions or something, and Ultima is much less than that. The other difference is the number of teams in each room. Honestly though, I don't quite know how the boss is going to do the Ultima this year, I had heard some rumblings from him about using a full question set, and I don't know if he's going to have 4-teams per room each round, or only 3, or what.

P.S. Trevkeeper, you have to take the PSAT on a saturday? sucker!

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Based on conversations at our first team meeting, Auburn will almost certainly be at the Ultima, although maybe I'll urge my teammates to reconsider if the rounds are going to be so long...

I remember last year, when I was a junior and had the happy task of taking the PSAT, those of us on Scholastic Bowl had to schedule a special testing time with the school since we were planning to attend the Ultima on the Saturday...those standardized tests have a way of interfering with tournaments.
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I played Ultima for two years, and it wasn't too terribly long. It seems longer since you're not buzzing in as much.

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mrs. dalloway wrote:Based on conversations at our first team meeting, Auburn will almost certainly be at the Ultima, although maybe I'll urge my teammates to reconsider if the rounds are going to be so long...
I very much hope you won't, for a number of reasons:

1. Ultima gives players a chance to be exposed to alternative formats. While there are many states that have unique formats, Illinois gets a reputation for being more insular; a reputation that has started to change in recent years, and would change more if more teams began to experience the pros and cons of other formats. Ultima gives you a chance to see this without paying $500+ for entry fees and hotel rooms.

2. Ultima, like the PAC, teaches patience. Players who like to "run and gun" are liabilities in this format. They can be liabilities in any format, but here you learn the necessity of patience.

3. Before encouraging team members to turn away, talk to your teammate who proved himself to be highly successful in the format. He may change your mind!

4. At the PAC, the rounds are typically a little longer than Illinois rounds, though at Ultima, they take about the same amount of time as a highly competitive Illinois formatted round.

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Ultima update: MacArthur has declined; St. Ignatius has accepted in their place. Bloomington is on hold and I have not heard from Fenwick. The others have all confirmed.

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I'm interested to see how St. Ignatius is this year; they were possibly the best F/S team I saw last year, same caliber as Wheaton North. Also, I heard their F/S team was also their Varsity, dunno if that's true. Either way, they should be, in the very least, solid.
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Trevkeeper wrote:I'm interested to see how St. Ignatius is this year; they were possibly the best F/S team I saw last year, same caliber as Wheaton North. Also, I heard their F/S team was also their Varsity, dunno if that's true. Either way, they should be, in the very least, solid.
St. Ignaius did have a great Fr-Soph team last year, and they should be white hot for at least the enxt 2-3 years at varsity. At times last year, some frosh-soph players played up with anticipated results (they could beat some weak teams, and had some difficulty with some of the seasoned teams). As more of the players move up permanently to the Varsity, St. Ignatius should be back to their old tough as nails team again.

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Man, I thought I'd never see the day Auburn was the best team in the state...hell, before my senior year we never even got a sniff at state, and now it's taken for granted.

I still maintain despite Tyler's dominance that I was the best Auburn's seen, despite any heap of evidence to the contrary :wink:
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David Riley wrote:Ultima update: MacArthur has declined; St. Ignatius has accepted in their place. Bloomington is on hold and I have not heard from Fenwick. The others have all confirmed.
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Hunter the great: what school do you attend? Emaiol me at [email protected]
I need to give you some details before you talk to your coach.

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Post by David Riley »

Ultima as of 9/20/05:

All schools have confirmed except for Fenwick, who isn't able to make it. Notre Dame was next on the list, I'm waiting for their confirmation.

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So Bloomington has confirmed then? That's the school I go to.
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Post by David Riley »

Ms. Voorhees is still organizing transortation, etc., but I believe it's a go.

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Peoria Sectional

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As far as the Bloomington/Peoria/I-74 sectional is concerned, I have to be leaning towards Bloomington. Even with Vik off to college, Hunter can still dominate in the Soc. Stud. department. Baboukis could come up and surprise some with a sectional win. And, even with the ever-annoying Smillie out of the picture, Morton's senior, Jordan Wiley, may be able to pull something out of his butt. No matter what, which ever team comes out of this sectional is going to be spanked by Rockford Auburn and Tyler Kerr.

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Kerr

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Just to boost his ego, last year, we were by 100+ at half. He alone came back and won by 70+. Best ever from Auburn, I'd say so.

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Re: Peoria Sectional

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JWyPlatinum wrote:And, even with the ever-annoying Smillie out of the picture
JW, its not my place to tell you what to do, and I'm not going to tell you what to do.

But....

...while the board administrators have given a certain right to free expression (within limits), you might want to be cautious about saying things like this. While I am not likely the person who knows John the best on this board, my interactions have been nothing but positive, and he has not been anything but respectful. If you can elaborate on why this would not be the case, that might be one thing, but dropping statements like this, which can come across as insulting, without any support, may not be the best course of action here.....

Again, I'm not your coach/boss/teacher/parent...and I'm not a board administrator....this is just some friendly advice to a newcomer to the Boards (and as it sounds like you are from the Central Illinois area, I'm glad to see some more representation from that area).

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In the "other" south-of-I-80 sectional, I am going to give it to Normal West or Morton. Baboukis is good, and with Wiley and the younger Smillie for Morton, that game will be fireworks.

As for the comment about Smillie being annoying, I have to disagree. I did play against him twice (both at the same tournament), and we split (Morton won the morning game, Mac won the championship). He did not seem at all annoying then or when I was around him for the purposes of Team Illinois.

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Vik from Bloomington is still there. He's a senior.
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apologies

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I apologizing for giving the wrong impression about Smillie. I am Wiley. I loved playing with him. I just figured that others did not like playing against him. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I also apologize for thinking that Vik had graduated. I'm now very scared that he hasn't.

Thank you for being polite in your advice to me.

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