2013-14 NAQT IS sets: question-specific discussion
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:20 pm
These sets are now clear for discussion:
IS #127A
128
129A
130
131A
132
133A
134
135A
136
IS #127A
128
129A
130
131A
132
133A
134
135A
136
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The protesting team answered "post-impressionism", apparently not hearing the "after". (My understanding is that they weren't the only team that provided that answer.) I called NAQT, but since this tournament was the same weekend as CCCT and we were in a hurry to get done because of incoming winter weather, we didn't have time to wait for NAQT to gather others to help resolve the protest and so the protest was denied by whomever answered the phone.Bonus ID 345481, appearing as NAQT IS-134, Packet 7, Bonus 10 on March 1 wrote:C. Toulouse-Lautrec was a part of a movement named for coming after this other artistic movement, whose representative painters include Monet and Renoir.
answer: Impressionism ( or Impressionist)
Two problems I saw with the Rose Bowl tossup: 1) it was the 20th tossup of a round (If they skipped the comp math) 2) the Vince Young clue was faulty since that also referred to the college football national championship game. My understanding was the NCG was promptable but that doesn't change the fact the lead-in was ambiguous.Al Hirt wrote:I actually loved the rose bowl toss up, as well as the Andrew Luck tossup in is 128.
Could I see the Hubert Humphrey and Common Core toss ups from IS 128? I remember negating both of them for rather stupid reasons and would like to see where I went wrong.
Our team said the same thing and was marked incorrect. I heard the word "after" but was still rather confused as to whether it wanted impressionism or post-impressionism.ScoBo wrote:At the NAQT Missouri Qualifier on IS-134, we had a protest on this bonus part that affected who advanced to be the top 4 teams in the tournament:
The protesting team answered "post-impressionism", apparently not hearing the "after". (My understanding is that they weren't the only team that provided that answer.) I called NAQT, but since this tournament was the same weekend as CCCT and we were in a hurry to get done because of incoming winter weather, we didn't have time to wait for NAQT to gather others to help resolve the protest and so the protest was denied by whomever answered the phone.Bonus ID 345481, appearing as NAQT IS-134, Packet 7, Bonus 10 on March 1 wrote:C. Toulouse-Lautrec was a part of a movement named for coming after this other artistic movement, whose representative painters include Monet and Renoir.
answer: Impressionism ( or Impressionist)
I got the impression that the wording of this bonus would bait a lot of people into answering "post-impressionism", so I asked NAQT to consider rewording the question to avoid this problem. I was told the question was reworded in response to my request, so could you post the current version of this bonus part? Did anyone else have issues with this bonus?
I recall saying BCS National championship game and the moderator saying he could take it it at that point (I buzzed at the Vince Young clue). I don't particularly feel strongly towards placement of trash, so I guess I can concede that point.Sniper, No Sniping! wrote:Two problems I saw with the Rose Bowl tossup: 1) it was the 20th tossup of a round (If they skipped the comp math) 2) the Vince Young clue was faulty since that also referred to the college football national championship game. My understanding was the NCG was promptable but that doesn't change the fact the lead-in was ambiguous.Al Hirt wrote:I actually loved the rose bowl toss up, as well as the Andrew Luck tossup in is 128.
Could I see the Hubert Humphrey and Common Core toss ups from IS 128? I remember negating both of them for rather stupid reasons and would like to see where I went wrong.
Agreed, I did enjoy the sports, especially the NBA tossups.Al Hirt wrote:I recall saying BCS National championship game and the moderator saying he could take it it at that point (I buzzed at the Vince Young clue). I don't particularly feel strongly towards placement of trash, so I guess I can concede that point.Sniper, No Sniping! wrote:Two problems I saw with the Rose Bowl tossup: 1) it was the 20th tossup of a round (If they skipped the comp math) 2) the Vince Young clue was faulty since that also referred to the college football national championship game. My understanding was the NCG was promptable but that doesn't change the fact the lead-in was ambiguous.Al Hirt wrote:I actually loved the rose bowl toss up, as well as the Andrew Luck tossup in is 128.
Could I see the Hubert Humphrey and Common Core toss ups from IS 128? I remember negating both of them for rather stupid reasons and would like to see where I went wrong.
It was definitely one of the better sports questions through all the IS Sets this year, in any case.
I don't know anything about football, so your substantive criticisms of this question may well be on-point, but this comment is pretty useless. Every tossup in a game determines the outcome of a game, not just the last one, and every tossup has to be edited to good standards, regardless of where it is placed. What's more, much of packet placement as I understand it is essentially random, and editors only have time to fix serious issues (such as two tossups on Shakespeare in the same round) with the limited time that they have, rather than hand-crafting which question ends a game (especially impossible for NAQT given differences between comp-math inclusive, non-comp-math-inclusive, timed, and untimed events).Sniper, No Sniping! wrote:Two problems I saw with the Rose Bowl tossup: 1) it was the 20th tossup of a round (If they skipped the comp math) .
IS 136 round 1 wrote:In 2006 this event ended when Vince Young rushed on fourth down with 19 seconds left and scored a touchdown, beating USC by three points. A two-point victory for TCU in 2011 was the first of three straight appearances and defeats in this event for (*) Wisconsin, which lost to Stanford in 2013. "The Granddaddy of Them All" is the nickname of--for 10 points--what football bowl game played in Pasadena and named for a flower?
answer: _Rose Bowl_ Game (accept _Rose_ after "bowl"; accept _BCS National Championship_ Game or _Bowl Championship Series National Championship_ Game before "TCU"; prompt on "national championship" or similar answers that do not mention "BCS" before "TCU")
IS 128 round 2 wrote:The written standards for this initiative employ a public license that uses copyright law to prevent states from altering them. Those standards were prepared under the direction of the National Governors Association and were incorporated into the (*) Race to the Top program upon the publication of their math and language components in 2010. For 10 points--name this nationwide curriculum adopted by 45 states.
answer: _common core_ (accept _Common Core State Standards Initiative_)
IS 128 round 2 wrote:In 1974 this senator co-authored a full employment act with Augustus Hawkins, and two years later he unsuccessfully challenged Robert Byrd for the post of majority leader. In an earlier stint representing Minnesota in the Senate he had been majority whip and become known as the (*) "Happy Warrior." For 10 points--name this vice president under Lyndon Johnson who was the 1968 Democratic presidential nominee.
IS 134 round 6 wrote:A kingdom based in this city was founded by Iltutmish. The Sayyid dynasty came to power in this city after its 1398 sack by Tamerlane. This city's Lodi dynasty was defeated by Babur at the 1526 Battle of Panipat. Its Kashmiri Gate and Lal Qila, or (*) Red Fort, were built by Shah Jahan, who made this city the capital of the Mughal Empire. For 10 points--name this city whose "New" district is the current capital of India.
answer: _Delhi_ (accept _Old Delhi_ or _New Delhi_)
The original was indeed confusing; we reworded it to this:ScoBo wrote: I got the impression that the wording of this bonus would bait a lot of people into answering "post-impressionism", so I asked NAQT to consider rewording the question to avoid this problem. I was told the question was reworded in response to my request, so could you post the current version of this bonus part? Did anyone else have issues with this bonus?
revised version of IS 134 round 7 wrote:Toulouse-Lautrec was a part of this art movement whose name denotes that it succeeded a movement that included Monet and Renoir.
answer: _Post-Impressionism_ (or _Post-Impressionist_; do not accept or prompt on "Impressionism")
This indeed had an answer line clause allowing for alternate answers. What do you consider problematic about this being tossup 20 in the packet?Sniper, No Sniping! wrote:Two problems I saw with the Rose Bowl tossup: 1) it was the 20th tossup of a round (If they skipped the comp math) 2) the Vince Young clue was faulty since that also referred to the college football national championship game. My understanding was the NCG was promptable but that doesn't change the fact the lead-in was ambiguous.Al Hirt wrote:I actually loved the rose bowl toss up, as well as the Andrew Luck tossup in is 128.
Could I see the Hubert Humphrey and Common Core toss ups from IS 128? I remember negating both of them for rather stupid reasons and would like to see where I went wrong.
Smooth coarea formula wrote:Can I see the Boston Marathon TU (IS-A 127)? From what I recall it was negged by both of our teams with "marathon".
IS 131A round 7 wrote:Clarence DeMar won this event 7 times. Its 1980 women's champion, Rosie Ruiz, was disqualified for cheating. 2 hours, 3 minutes, and 2 seconds is the fastest time ever at this (*) race whose participants climb Heartbreak Hill. For 10 points--name this 26-mile event marred by a 2013 bombing.
answer: _Boston Marathon_ (do not prompt on "marathon")
This question resulted in me acting a fool by laughing when I buzzed in on it. Of course, I clarified that I was laughing because of how hilariously bad a lead-in it was.Corner Grocery Store wrote:a tossup on angular momentum which started by asking about Clebsch-Gordon coefficients
Corner Grocery Store wrote:the extremely difficult coin collecting bonus from IS-136.
IS 136 round 5 wrote:For 10 points each--give these terms encountered in coin collecting:
A. This is the front of the coin, in contrast to the "reverse."
answer: _obverse_ (prompt on "heads")
B. This is a carefully struck and polished coin produced specifically for collectors.
answer: _proof_
C. This is the formal name for the hobby of coin collecting; it also covers the collecting of medals.
answer: _numismatics_ (accept _numismatism_ or _exonumia_)
IS 130 round 1 wrote:This piece of equipment is to be bounced upon encountering the directive saltando, and it is flipped over when one encounters the directive col legno. They are traditionally made of pernambuco wood and have a piece called a (*) "frog" at one end that fixes the horsehair in place. Itzhak Perlman makes use of--for 10 points--what piece of musical equipment that is drawn across the strings of a violin?
answer: _bow_(s) (accept more specific types of bow such as _violin bow_)
This is indeed potentially misleading; I'll think about ways to rephrase it.IS #136 round 12 wrote:In September 2012 Barack Obama established the Chimney Rock National Monument in this state's San Juan National Forest.
I just drove past Chimney Rock, Wisconsin, so I would have gone with that.Sniper, No Sniping! wrote:I played a couple of the tournaments back in my head the other night, and there was one question that really is sticking out to me that is bothersome; there was a tossup on Colorado (IS-136) that mentioned Chimney Rock in the first line. I negged instantly with "Nebraska", because the site in Nebraska is very notable for its formation (and for being on the Nebraska state quarter). Apparently, there is also a Chimney Rock in Colorado, but I think many would agree with me that the place in Nebraska is much more famous and recognizable than the one that is apparently in Colorado. I think the Chimney Rock reference is problematic, but perhaps there is context I am missing for the clue. I would say I got hosed, but doing research on the Chimney Rock in Colorado suggests President Obama was there to "make it a 'monument'", which I think the question does mention. I suppose that could be what disambiguates the two, but I think nonetheless its a weak distinguish since it was not a very famous event.
Sure, but the reason that it's a lead-in is that very few people know this, and it's a bit much to ask players to decide on the fly whether that other Chimney Rock they know about is a National Monument or not (especially because "National Monument" comes after "Chimney Rock" in the clue). This is made harder by the fact that the clue is just binary name-matching (i.e. it doesn't give any information/description of Colorado's Chimney Rock). It's just not great when a clue is more likely to penalize certain people for knowing things than it is to reward other people for knowing another thing, which I think is the case here.Mr. Joyboy wrote:The National Monument is the important part. It's one of a series of monuments he's created (Presidents have the power to create National Monuments w/o congressional approval). I'm sure there are many rocks named after chimneys, but there's only one chimney rock national monument.