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4/23/05 - Rumble on the Pike - Richard Montgomery

Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:13 pm
by trial and error
Mark your calendars or memorize this date! Richard Montgomery High School will be hosting our second annual Rumble on the Pike on April 23, 2005.

We would like a more geographically diverse field this year, so if any far-flung teams would like to test themselves against the best of the Mid-Atlantic before nationals, Rockville is only half an hour outside Washington, D.C. Check out our site for details from last year's playoffs, which included Thomas Jefferson, Blake, Montgomery Blair, Eleanor Roosevelt, Walter Johnson, and Edmund Burke, among others.

Packets will consist of five categories of five tossups each, followed by ten longer tossups with unrelated bonuses. All tossups are pyramidal and are house-written. See our site for sample packets from last year's tournament.

Registration is $50 for the first team and $45 each for any subsequent teams, with $10 off for each fully functional buzzer system.

-Sharon Wong
Tournament Director

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:45 pm
by trial and error
This is what the field looks like so far:

Blake*
Blair* (2 or 3?)
Centennial (3)
Eleanor Roosevelt*
Georgetown Day School
Gonzaga*
Hammond (2)
Hayfield
Paint Branch
Quince Orchard
Reservoir
Spotswood (2)
Thomas Jefferson* (4)
Walt Whitman (2)
Walter Johnson (2)

* Teams that have given informal indication that they plan to attend.

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:54 pm
by trial and error
Edited to note playoffs format.

We currently have 30 teams registered. Teams that still wish to register are encouraged to send in an email ([email protected]), but we wish to work with field sizes of even numbers, preferably in multiples of 5 or 6.

The tournament will include five preliminary games. Playoffs will be done with power brackets. Lunch break will be 1.5 hours—we are offering a free house-written trash round (20 questions tossup/bonus).

We expect the tournament to end no later than 5 p.m. to allow players and coaches to get home in time for Passover.

T-7 days field update:

Bethesda-Chevy Chase
Blair (2)
Blake
Centennial (3)
Churchill
Eleanor Roosevelt
Georgetown Day School
Gonzaga
Hammond (2)
Hayfield
Howard
Northeast
Paint Branch
Quince Orchard
Reservoir
Spotswood
School Without Walls
Thomas Jefferson (5)
Watkins Mill
Walt Whitman (2)
Walter Johnson (2)

edited again to note that WJ has registered two teams.

RM playoff format

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:43 pm
by bigmac
3 more teams have signed up. We would be fine with one more, but cannot take more than 3 due to some room use limitations. The field, while not enormous, looks quite impressive; good teams that get mentioned on this board make up well over half. (Not that this relates in any way to our format, but 8 of the 9 It's Academic semi-finalists will be represented on Saturday. . . when will Holton come out to an invitational, I wonder?)

The playoff structure was created with three ideas in mind in addition to having a fair result.
1) Teams, especially those coming from out of the region, would like to play more than two or three competitive matches in a day.
2) Teams would prefer not to face the same team twice in the same day.
3) Teams would like to leave by 5, especially right before Passover.

The prelims will consist of 4 games of bracketed play plus one "cross-bracket" game. Our intention is that this extra game will provide for more highly competitive matches than sometimes exist in straight brackets, but still give teams 5 matches against opponents with varying experience.

The top 2 teams from each bracket advance to the playoffs along with 4 wildcards (16 total). Rather than play single-elimination, teams will be placed in 4 groups of 4 for a 3 game round-robin. The top team from each playoff bracket will then advance to a 4 team single-elimination playoff.

Points only matter for wildcard spots. Playoff positioning will be arranged based on wins and what prelim bracket the team was in (to avoid repeat games). Ties in the playoff brackets will be broken by 10 tossup tie-breaker matches. If three teams tie for the top spot, which would be pretty sweet, then the top team based on points will play the winner of the match between the other two in a second tie-breaker match.

Put simply, if you make it to the playoffs, your team will play at least 8 games, not to mention what I call an all-trash exhibition game that, frankly, I would rather know as little about as possible.

Yes, I know, this is pretty hard to follow. Just think of the playoffs as a mix between a regular 16 team playoff and power-bracketing. Basically, we missed not going to any power-bracketed tournaments this year, but had to make sure everything was over at a reasonable time. Any questions? Ask me at the rules meeting at 8:30 on Saturday. There will be some refreshments provided. Directions are going to your coaches tomorrow.

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:49 pm
by bigtrain
but 8 of the 9 It's Academic semi-finalists will be represented on Saturday
As I count it, only 7 of the 9 teams in the "It's Academic" semi-finals will be represented because National Cathedral School doesn't show up to non-televised tournaments either. Well anyways, the field seems to be extremely strong this year and my team looks forward to attending.

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:11 pm
by No Sollositing On Premise
Just exactly who are the nine semifinalists? I'm pretty sure TJ's one of them, but I can only infer the other eight. I don't think the thread on that is up to date....

EDIT: Thanks Bigtrain. I've been seriously out of the loop.

RE: It's Academic Semifinals

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:14 pm
by bigtrain
The other "It's Academic" games will be between the following teams:

Blake, Blair, National Cathedral School

Churchill, Thomas Jefferson, Walter Johnson

Richard Montgomery, Gonzaga, Edit: Sorry, St. Alban's beat Holton and is in the semis

Perhaps the It's Academic thread in the archives should be brought back

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:57 pm
by trial and error
Actually, National Cathedral will be at this non-televised tournament.

Is RM being represented if we're hosting it? It's not like you will be playing against us.

Are tournaments called "It's Academic" in other parts of the country like our local TV show?

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:25 pm
by blazer06
pardon my igorance, but whats a power bracket? i still dont exactly get how it works.

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:36 pm
by trial and error
blazer06 wrote:whats a power bracket?
bigmac wrote:The top 2 teams from each bracket advance to the playoffs along with 4 wildcards (16 total). Rather than play single-elimination, teams will be placed in 4 groups of 4 for a 3 game round-robin. The top team from each playoff bracket will then advance to a 4 team single-elimination playoff.

Re: RM playoff format

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:23 pm
by Marcel Duchamp
I can't read

Re: RM playoff format

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:34 pm
by dtaylor4
Marcel Duchamp wrote:If 2 or 3 teams have the same record after the round robin, then what?
bigmac wrote:Points only matter for wildcard spots. Playoff positioning will be arranged based on wins and what prelim bracket the team was in (to avoid repeat games). Ties in the playoff brackets will be broken by 10 tossup tie-breaker matches. If three teams tie for the top spot, which would be pretty sweet, then the top team based on points will play the winner of the match between the other two in a second tie-breaker match.

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:16 pm
by DumbJaques
To gloriously thread-jack my own team's tournament's thread, I believe holton was defeated by st. albans, who will be at the tournament. So counting us, that's everyone.

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:47 pm
by benthorot
Yup. We at St. Albans defeated Holton-Arms in the second round, and we and National Cathedral will both be participating in the Rumble on the Pike.
Should be interesting because neither of us ever really play any non-televised tournaments. We normally just play one another over and over again.

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:39 pm
by Howard
Any word on when to arrive? I can't find any info in my e-mails about registration times.

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:44 pm
by benthorot
One more question that I should but don't know the answer to. How many people are on each team?

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:49 pm
by Marcel Duchamp
benthorot wrote:One more question that I should but don't know the answer to. How many people are on each team?
4

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:41 pm
by Howard
Howard wrote:Any word on when to arrive? I can't find any info in my e-mails about registration times.
Received in e-mail. Registration 8:15 to 8:45. See you guys then.

rumble and itsac

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:19 pm
by bigmac
Right you are, Howard. Donuts will be provided. :smile: The other thing to mention here is that you can form any team you want for the exhibition games (players vs. coaches, players with players from different teams, etc.)

Here are the D.C. It's Ac semi-finals listed according to the brackets provided by NBC4 . . .
WJ v. TJ v. Churchill
National Cathedral v. Blake v. Blair
RM v. St. Albans v. Gonzaga

. . . and, in order to keep this on-topic, all nine teams will, in some way, be represented on Saturday.

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:25 pm
by crackerwithak
How will the trash game work? Is it one school versus another or will there be other teams formed? Do you get to choose your opponent?

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:43 pm
by DumbJaques
It's done completely by single person sign ups. You can sign up as a team (whether you actually happen to be a team or not), or as a single player and get sorted.

attire

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:35 am
by benthorot
One last question (I think): What does one wear to this event?

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:48 pm
by trial and error
What are you asking? Dress code? Costume suggestions? I believe nudity is illegal in Maryland, if that's what you mean.

Re: attire

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:09 pm
by Captain Sinico
benthorot wrote:One last question (I think): What does one wear to this event?
Clothes, shoes, and maybe a coat, if it's cold? Most tournaments don't care how you dress (c.f. college tournaments, which could do with dress codes, probably.)

MaS

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:23 pm
by dtaylor4
I feel that ALL tournaments need to have some sort of dress code, i.e. nothing sexually suggestive (which I have seen and know of coaches who encourage it) or overly disgusting.

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:19 pm
by iamsam
DaGeneral wrote:i.e. nothing sexually suggestive (which I have seen and know of coaches who encourage it) or overly disgusting.
Considering the fact that many of the people in quiz bowl are not the "prettiest" people on the planet, I think having something "sexually suggestive" pretty much covers "overly disgusting".

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:11 pm
by bigtrain
DaGeneral wrote:I feel that ALL tournaments need to have some sort of dress code, i.e. nothing sexually suggestive (which I have seen and know of coaches who encourage it) or overly disgusting.
I have confidence that all the teams in the area attending Richard Montgomery's tournament have the ability to dress themselves appropriately. The most inapropriate thing I've heard of some one wearing to a tournament is military fatigue.
iamsam wrote:Considering the fact that many of the people in quiz bowl are not the "prettiest" people on the planet
Speak for yourself, I'm a sexy beast.

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:54 pm
by dtaylor4
bigtrain wrote:
DaGeneral wrote:I feel that ALL tournaments need to have some sort of dress code, i.e. nothing sexually suggestive (which I have seen and know of coaches who encourage it) or overly disgusting.
I have confidence that all the teams in the area attending Richard Montgomery's tournament have the ability to dress themselves appropriately. The most inapropriate thing I've heard of some one wearing to a tournament is military fatigue.
Are you talking the full uniform? I've worn the fatigue pants due to certain circumstances, but never the whole thing.

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:35 am
by iamsam
Image

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:06 am
by dtaylor4
Okay, maybe once.

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:21 pm
by DumbJaques
Some preliminary results, I do not have stats of any sort. In order to get teams out in time for passover, we had to leave some stat entering undone in the playoffs. Further clarification can be posted later, should you desire.

1) Thomas Jefferson A
2) Thomas Jefferson B
3) Walter Johnson A
4) Spotswood
5t) Blair A
5t) Centennial A
5t) Centennial B
5t) Thomas Jefferson C

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:41 pm
by Howard
I'd like to publicly thank Richard Montgomery for running a well-organized and fun tournament with excellent questions for teams of all levels. Well done the whole way around.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:00 am
by trial and error
Congratulations to Thomas Jefferson for an A/B finals finish by 4:30 p.m. Playoff brackets and any other available stats will be posted shortly—this stat delay can be half-explained by some unusual circumstances (college visits, anyone?).

Thanks to all the parents, players, and student volunteers who helped keep the tournament running, as well as to those teams whose buzzer systems functioned as promised.

Constructive feedback on the tournament format and style are welcome. Feel free to send me an email if you prefer.

The questions are available for $25 or another tournament set.

Thanks

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:54 pm
by benthorot
Much thanks to Richard Montgomery for hosting a very solid tournament making our ("Cathedral Foundation") first tournament a great experience.

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:33 pm
by trial and error