Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Dormant threads from the high school sections are preserved here.
Locked
Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

Niles West High School in Skokie, IL, just north of Chicago, is hosting a mirror of the Norcross BDAT on January 7th, 2012. Please note that this is the same date as the IHSSBCA Turnabout. Any team consisting solely of high schoolers from a single school may register, and all teams will be guaranteed to play throughout the day.

The format will consist of round robin prelims followed by rebracketing into round robin playoffs and then an advantaged final. We'll follow mACF rules with powers and negs, including 4v4 matches with a strict maximum of 6 players per team. Therefore, schools are encouraged to bring multiple teams. There will be no minimum number of players per team.

Registration is closed. You may post here or email me at aarongoldfein at gmail dot com if you would like to be added to the waitlist.
  • $55 for the first team from a school
  • $45 for each subsequent team from a school
  • -$5 for each functional buzzer system a team brings (max 1 per team, not per school)
  • -$10 for each staffer a team brings (staffers will also be provided lunch)
Field (16):
Fremd (2)
Latin
Loyola (3)
"Machiavelli Academy"
New Trier
Niles West (2)
Rock Bridge, MO
Saint Viator
Stevenson (2)
Wheaton North (2)

Feel free to post here or email me with any questions or comments.
Last edited by Aaron Goldfein on Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:55 pm, edited 26 times in total.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West Tournament at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

The Niles West administration has granted us permission to run this tournament, so registration is now open! I've updated the first post with all relevant information.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

jonah
Auron
Posts: 2337
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:51 pm
Location: Chicago

Re: Niles West Tournament at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by jonah »

Question source?
Jonah Greenthal
National Academic Quiz Tournaments

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West Tournament at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

I put in a request to run the Norcross BDAT set, though I have not yet been confirmed. If that doesn't work, it'll most likely be an NAQT IS set.

Edit: Confirmed. We're running on the BDAT set.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

Andrew's a Freshman
Wakka
Posts: 102
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:12 am
Location: Norcross, GA

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Andrew's a Freshman »

That's cool. I can try to get out and staff this if you'd like.
Norcross High School '11
Northwestern University '15

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

Andrew's a Freshman wrote:That's cool. I can try to get out and staff this if you'd like.
Great! Could you send an email to aarongoldfein at gmail dot com with your day-of phone number?
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

jonah
Auron
Posts: 2337
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:51 pm
Location: Chicago

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by jonah »

I can still staff this if you need me to.
Jonah Greenthal
National Academic Quiz Tournaments

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

jonah wrote:I can still staff this if you need me to.
Fantastic. I definitely do need you, as getting staff will be tough given that Turnabouts are on the same day.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

The first post has been updated to reflect the current field. Any schools that want in should sign up soon, because we're quickly approaching our 12 team cap. Also, we could use a couple more experienced moderators.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

David Riley
Auron
Posts: 1428
Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2003 8:27 am
Location: Morton Grove, IL

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by David Riley »

Aaron--assuming that I'm up for it (I've had a lot of medical issues recently), I'd be happy to moderate, I live only six blocks from Niles West.
David Riley
Coach Emeritus, Loyola Academy, Wilmette, Illinois, 1993-2010
Steering Committee, IHSSBCA, 1996 -
Member, PACE, 2012 -

"This is 1183, of course we're barbarians" -- Eleanor of Aquitaine in "The Lion in Winter"

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

David Riley wrote:Aaron--assuming that I'm up for it (I've had a lot of medical issues recently), I'd be happy to moderate, I live only six blocks from Niles West.
Thank you! Would you mind emailing me a cell phone number for day-of contact purposes to aarongoldfein at gmail dot com? Also, would you like me to credit the $10 discount to Loyola?
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

User avatar
Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
Chairman of Anti-Music Mafia Committee
Posts: 5640
Joined: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:46 pm
Location: Columbia, MO

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) »

Is the current field correct?
Charlie Dees, North Kansas City HS '08
"I won't say more because I know some of you parse everything I say." - Jeremy Gibbs

"At one TJ tournament the neg prize was the Hampshire College ultimate frisbee team (nude) calender featuring one Evan Silberman. In retrospect that could have been a disaster." - Harry White

User avatar
The Bold Ideas of Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
Tidus
Posts: 716
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:43 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by The Bold Ideas of Bernie Sanders (I-VT) »

I'm free to staff it.
Adam Sperber
Hickman '10, Northwestern B '14

" 'Yay, more Adam Sperber' --Nobody " --Cody Voight

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

College Park Spyders wrote:Is the current field correct?
Other than a possible adjustment in the number of teams Niles West brings in order to get to a good number, yes.
merv1618 wrote:I'm free to staff it.
Thanks, Adam! Could you send your cell phone number to aarongoldfein at gmail dot com in case I need to get in contact with you on the day of the tournament?
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

User avatar
The Bold Ideas of Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
Tidus
Posts: 716
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:43 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by The Bold Ideas of Bernie Sanders (I-VT) »

Aaron Goldfein wrote:
College Park Spyders wrote:Is the current field correct?
Other than a possible adjustment in the number of teams Niles West brings in order to get to a good number, yes.
merv1618 wrote:I'm free to staff it.
Thanks, Adam! Could you send your cell phone number to aarongoldfein at gmail dot com in case I need to get in contact with you on the day of the tournament?
Sure
Adam Sperber
Hickman '10, Northwestern B '14

" 'Yay, more Adam Sperber' --Nobody " --Cody Voight

User avatar
Dominator
Tidus
Posts: 580
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:16 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Dominator »

IMSA cannot attend since it will not be in session until January 9. Machiavelli Academy, on the other hand, would like to reserve a spot in the field, and will likely be able to provide a moderator.
Dr. Noah Prince

Normal Community High School (2002)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (2004, 2007, 2008)

Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy - Scholastic Bowl coach (2009-2014), assistant coach (2014-2015), well wisher (2015-2016)
guy in San Diego (2016-present)
President of Qblitz (2018-present)

Image

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

With the addition of our first out of state team from Rock Bridge, this field is becoming extremely competitive. We only have two more slots available: interested teams should sign up soon if they want in.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

Wheaton North has just registered two teams, bringing us to our cap at 12. There is a very good chance that we will expand the field, and so interested teams should email me.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

I'm happy to announce that we're able to expand our field to 16 teams. Registration is once again open! If we fill up, we may go up to 18 teams though it is very unlikely we'll go any higher than that.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

Cubfan125
Lulu
Posts: 41
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:00 am

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Cubfan125 »

Is there still space in this tournament? I know my team can't officially go, but if there are still openings, I'll talk to my coach and see if he's okay with my either playing solo or with a few friends/teammates.
Alex Kling
Latin School of Chicago class of 2012
Williams College class of 2016

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

Cubfan125 wrote:Is there still space in this tournament? I know my team can't officially go, but if there are still openings, I'll talk to my coach and see if he's okay with my either playing solo or with a few friends/teammates.
Right now we're at 14 teams, and adding another would put us at 15, which is kind of a gross number. If we could get a 16th team, then I could certainly add you. Otherwise, get me definite confirmation and I'll see if I can do something like add a chimera team that would allow us to add you.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

User avatar
Charles Martel
Wakka
Posts: 199
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:21 am

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Charles Martel »

What time will this tournament start?
Adam Kalinich
MIT 2012-
Illinois Math and Science Academy 2009-2012

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

Check-in begins at 8:00. All teams are expected to arrive in time for an 8:45 coaches meeting.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

With the late additions of Latin and Fremd B, we're now at 16 teams. With this, I'm closing the field. Any teams still interested in the tournament can email me to get on the waitlist.

Our format will thus be two brackets of 8 in the morning, and then a 6/6/4 split in the afternoon with the top two divisions playing without repeats. The bottom bracket will play a full round robin. Thus, all teams will be guaranteed 10 matches. An advantaged final will then follow in the top bracket only.
Last edited by Aaron Goldfein on Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:45 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

User avatar
Charles Martel
Wakka
Posts: 199
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:21 am

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Charles Martel »

Loyola cleared the field here. I believe Rock Bridge and New Trier were playing for 2nd place, with the loser tied with Machiavelli Academy for third place.
I'm not going to reveal the identities of Machiavelli Academy players, but at least two IMSA A members were not present at all for this tournament, and at least one additional IMSA A player was not present for most of the playoffs. IMSA B+ would be a closer approximation for Machiavelli Academy than IMSA A-.
Adam Kalinich
MIT 2012-
Illinois Math and Science Academy 2009-2012

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

1. Loyola A, 5-0
2. Latin, 3-2
3t. Machiavelli Academy, 2-3
3t. New Trier, 2-3
3t. Rock Bridge, 2-3
6. Stevenson A, 1-4

7. Loyola B, 5-0
12. Wheaton North B, 0-5
(I forget the rest of the middle bracket)

13. Niles West A, 3-0
14. Loyola C, 2-1
15. Fremd B, 1-2
16. Niles West B, 0-3

Thanks to Greg Berman, Jeremy Berman, Brad Fischer, Andrew Goldfein, Jonah Greenthal, Matt Laird, Martha Lietz, Mark Maskeri, Ilya Raskin, Adam Sperber, Kristin Strey, and Jennifer Wong for their invaluable help today.

Full stats to follow.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

User avatar
Dominator
Tidus
Posts: 580
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:16 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Dominator »

First off, thank you to Aaron and Niles West for their hospitality. I had a really good time and would definitely do it again. Also thanks and safe travels to Rock Bridge for again making their way out to our state for a tournament.

Congratulations to Loyola, who certainly rose above the field and earned this win.
Dr. Noah Prince

Normal Community High School (2002)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (2004, 2007, 2008)

Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy - Scholastic Bowl coach (2009-2014), assistant coach (2014-2015), well wisher (2015-2016)
guy in San Diego (2016-present)
President of Qblitz (2018-present)

Image

User avatar
Irreligion in Bangladesh
Auron
Posts: 2103
Joined: Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:18 am
Location: Winnebago, IL

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh »

I'll swap order from Noah's post, but keep the same sentiments.

Congrats to Loyola; they played at more or less the top of their game all day and were not going to be beaten. Great performance. I was also impressed with Latin and Andrew Wang in their playoff shootout with tons of early buzzes.

Also, this was a very strong first-tournament; Aaron, I hope you and Niles West host more events, and I'd love to come back to help again. You guys did practically everything right, and the minor issue that did crop up (printing playoff schedules at lunch rather than having already printed blank schedules with blanks to fill in; printer fail did you in here) was hardly a problem and the tournament was maaaaaybe delayed 10 minutes by it, from what I saw.

I thought rather highly of the set; good answer selection, especially on tossups and easy parts of bonuses. The hard parts were challenging - often very much so - but it didn't it feel like you were being attacked by the edges of the college canon, and I think that's optimal for a regular difficulty set. Kudos to Norcross for a solid writing performance!
Brad Fischer
Head Editor, IHSA State Series
IHSSBCA Ombudsman

Winnebago HS ('06)
Northern Illinois University ('10)
Assistant Coach, IMSA (2010-12)
Coach, Keith Country Day School (2012-16)

User avatar
Boeing X-20, Please!
Rikku
Posts: 406
Joined: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:40 pm
Location: Evanston, IL

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Boeing X-20, Please! »

Thanks to Aaron for running a great first-time tournament, finishing 10 rounds by 5 pm as is standard practice for a tournament with more experienced staff.

For anyone who didn't notice, awesome statkeeper Kristin Strey has had stats posted since immediately after the tournament ended at http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/824/.
Nolan Winkler
Loyola Academy '12
UChicago '16

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

Wow. It appears Kristin is even more awesome than I had originally thought.

I echo Brad's sentiments about the questions. The easy parts were pretty accessible, and the hard (and medium) parts were pretty hard. They were still generally good bonus choices if the goal was to make this set a little harder than the standard IS set.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

Aaron Goldfein
Wakka
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Re: Niles West BDAT Mirror at Skokie, IL (1/7/12)

Post by Aaron Goldfein »

We've just received platinum PACE certification! Therefore, the top 25% of the field requalifies for the NSC in June.
Aaron Goldfein
Niles West ('10)
Carnegie Mellon ('14)

Locked