Re: 2011 HSNCT discussion
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:16 pm
It's not the death of quizbowl as we know it, it's just kind of an obnoxious thing to do.
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Just in case everyone here is not already aware, NSC does explicitly ban them. Learned this while brushing up on rule changes from last weekend to next.Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:I can't believe at a national championship that NAQT has not banned pseudonyms (much less rotating pseudonyms) when it is so important to people to have accurate All-Star information.
PACE NSC rules wrote:6.2. The official rosters must use legal names or recognized abbreviations thereof ('real names') in order for tournament staff to enforce eligibility, substitution, and scheduling rules. Players must use their real names while competing for purposes of compiling statistics. Aliases are not permitted.
I can't speak officially for NAQT, but this is on my personal list of things to improve if they ask me to organize consolation matches again next year. The weekend's format sheet did invite teams to play consolation games "on playoff questions," which at least hints that hearing any playoff questions would be detrimental to playing consolation rounds, but I think we can be clearer about that. Next year I also plan to be more upfront about collecting data on which teams heard which packets that morning so that at least we can send out teams that have not heard the first packet without making them wait for the second, etc.List of wrestling-based comic books wrote:Just remembered: it's not as important as other things going on on Sunday, but teams not in the playoffs should have been told not to watch the first playoff round if they wanted to play scrimmages. Or maybe they were told that and some teams didn't get the message: we had that issue in at least two rooms in our group. Obviously it's not nearly as vital an issue as making sure the playoffs proper run smoothly, but it's still something to consider.
You got it.BlueDevil95 wrote:It's not that important, but is it possible to change my name to "Mostafa Bhuiyan" (Norcross)? I've seen it messed up as Mustafa or Mastafa a lot.
2005 Thomas Jefferson had a higher bonus conversion rate at HSNCT.Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Seven Lakes had a pretty incredible bonus conversion. Is that the highest for any pyramidal high school nationals team?
The stats for round 22 were wrong. We played State College A in our final round (22). We also lost to Seven Lakes A in the playoffsCarangoides ciliarius wrote:Taking a closer look at the stats here, Novi's run to t-8th is pretty interesting.
Certainly they had a nice tournament and some nice wins (two against Dunbar and one against Cistercian), but their bonus conversion is lower than every other team in the top 21. So i looked to see how they got to where they got.
I think it's fascinating to note that Novi DID NOT play any of these teams in the tournament: State College, LASA, Bellarmine, Stevenson, Centennial, Maggie Walker, Richard Montgomery, DCC B, Seven Lakes, Thomas Jefferson B, or DuPont Manual. In other words, never in the entire tournament did they play a team that ended up ranking the same or better than them to finish the weekend.
I wonder how often this sort of thing happens.
This mentions the fact that he was a chemist; therefore it is classified as "mixed." But I don't think this is mixed. I think this is just classical music. Now, this isn't actually a problem -- nobody could possibly object that a mixed question got dumped in favor of an extra music question. But what one might term "miscellaneousization" seems to have affected certain subjects disproportionately. In particular, this "mixed" question is just straight-up geography:One work by this composer includes a soft pizzicato “traveling” theme and cantabile “Russian” and “Eastern” themes. He angered colleagues by composing two string quartets, and one of his operas—later adapted into the musical Kismet—includes the (*) Polovtsian Dances. An alternate namesake for the Hunsdiecker reaction is—for 10 points—what Russian chemist, the composer of In the Steppes of Central Asia and Prince Igor?
answer: Alexander (Porfiryevich) Borodin
And so is this "mixed" question:It was formed by the collapse of Mount Mazama. For 10 points each—
A. Name this Oregon landmark previously known as Blue Lake and Lake Majesty.
answer: Crater Lake
B. Crater Lake is this type of volcanic feature whose name comes from the Latin for “cooking pot.”
answer: caldera (prompt on “cauldron”)
C. The term “caldera” was introduced by German geologist Leopold von Buch during a visit to this archipelago that contains the Caldera de Taburiente on the island of La Palma.
answer: Canary Islands (or Islas Canarias)
And also this "mixed" question:This country is home to the world's tallest skyscraper, the Burj Khalifa. For 10 points each—
A. Name this Persian Gulf country, whose seven constituent members include Umm al-Quwain and Ajman.
answer: United Arab Emirates or UAE
B. The Burj Khalifa is in this second-largest emirate in the UAE.
answer: Dubai
C. This emir of Dubai also serves as the prime minister of the UAE.
answer: Sheikh Muhammad bin Rashid al-Maktum
(I'm also part of a similar problem; I wrote the "architecture" tossup on Beijing that, in the process of editing, became more of just a geography question -- of course, had I submitted it as a geography question, it never would have made the set, but that's a topic for another discussion entirely)For 10 points each—answer these questions about Cape Cod:
A. Cape Cod is part of what state on the Atlantic coastline?
answer: Massachusetts
B. Eugene O'Neill was in what group of “Players” named for the town at the tip of Cape Cod in which their works were performed?
answer: Provincetown (accept Provincetown Players)
C. What town on the southwest part of Cape Cod is home to a namesake Oceanographic Institution and Research Center?
answer: Woods Hole
The music video for this song features "90210" and "bored" written in chalk. The singer of this song "remembers pickin' on the boy" who (*) hit him "with a surprise left" and that the title figure drew "pictures of mountain tops with him on top." This song's title figure's father "didn't give affection" and he was "something that mommy wouldn't wear." For 10 points--name this Pearl Jam song whose title figure "spoke in class today."
answer: _Jeremy_
This song's artist says that his "super clean" and "super mean" car looks "unapproachable." In this song the artist also raps "when I pulled out of the lot, that's stuntin" and that he is "reppin' my town when you see me you know everything." This song references the (*) colors used by the professional sports teams in Pittsburgh. For 10 points--name this song by Wiz Khalifa, named after two colors.
answer: _Black and Yellow_
Much of this nation's southern border lies along the Panj River. Khorugh, the capital of its autonomous province of Gorno-Badakhshan, lies on the (*) Pamir Highway, and the Anzob Tunnel connects its second-most populous city, Khujand, with its capital. The western end of the Ferghana Valley lies in this nation between Uzbekistan and Afghanistan. For 10 points--name this former Soviet republic with capital Dushanbe.
DrCongo wrote:One question that I thought was cool was the Tajikistan toss up. Could you please post that one?
What is cool about this question? To me, this just looks like a shotgun shell was loaded with place names and fired at the page. This isn't an attempt to troll -- all geography questions sound like that to me, and I'm wondering what's in there that's interesting because it might help me figure out what makes a good or bad geography question.bt_green_warbler wrote:Much of this nation's southern border lies along the Panj River. Khorugh, the capital of its autonomous province of Gorno-Badakhshan, lies on the (*) Pamir Highway, and the Anzob Tunnel connects its second-most populous city, Khujand, with its capital. The western end of the Ferghana Valley lies in this nation between Uzbekistan and Afghanistan. For 10 points--name this former Soviet republic with capital Dushanbe.
theflyingdeutschman wrote:Can you post the Community question? I wonder if there was a clue on Magnitude.
POP POP
One character in this show named Alex is often referred to as "Star-burns." In this show, Craig Pelton unveils a statue of Luis Guzman, and meeting LeVar Burton leaves Troy Barnes, the football team's quarterback, a sobbing mess. Other characters on this show include the meta-referencing (*) Abed and Chevy Chase's Pierce Hawthorne. For 10 points--name this television show set at a junior college.
While it wasn't brought up in this tossup, one of the great intriguing ironies of the Ferghana Valley is that one of the paths of the former Silk Road went through it, while it is actually the place where a large fraction of the world's cotton is produced.styxman wrote:DrCongo wrote:One question that I thought was cool was the Tajikistan toss up. Could you please post that one?What is cool about this question? To me, this just looks like a shotgun shell was loaded with place names and fired at the page. This isn't an attempt to troll -- all geography questions sound like that to me, and I'm wondering what's in there that's interesting because it might help me figure out what makes a good or bad geography question.bt_green_warbler wrote:Much of this nation's southern border lies along the Panj River. Khorugh, the capital of its autonomous province of Gorno-Badakhshan, lies on the (*) Pamir Highway, and the Anzob Tunnel connects its second-most populous city, Khujand, with its capital. The western end of the Ferghana Valley lies in this nation between Uzbekistan and Afghanistan. For 10 points--name this former Soviet republic with capital Dushanbe.
There are tons of really interesting things that you could say about the Ferghana Valley, but this question didn't.quantumfootball wrote:While it wasn't brought up in this tossup, one of the great intriguing ironies of the Ferghana Valley is that one of the paths of the former Silk Road went through it, while it is actually the place where a large fraction of the world's cotton is produced.
I'm pretty sure it would be impossible for us to not play someone who finished ahead of us (at least in the playoffs) unless we finished first, just because whichever team eliminates us will have advanced to at least 1 more round. So the team that team that beat us the second time will have placed ahead of us, so this sort of thing doesn't happen. For some reason, the stats originally credited Adair County with knocking us out instead of State College, not sure why.Newsteinleo wrote:The stats for round 22 were wrong. We played State College A in our final round (22). We also lost to Seven Lakes A in the playoffsCarangoides ciliarius wrote:Taking a closer look at the stats here, Novi's run to t-8th is pretty interesting.
Certainly they had a nice tournament and some nice wins (two against Dunbar and one against Cistercian), but their bonus conversion is lower than every other team in the top 21. So i looked to see how they got to where they got.
I think it's fascinating to note that Novi DID NOT play any of these teams in the tournament: State College, LASA, Bellarmine, Stevenson, Centennial, Maggie Walker, Richard Montgomery, DCC B, Seven Lakes, Thomas Jefferson B, or DuPont Manual. In other words, never in the entire tournament did they play a team that ended up ranking the same or better than them to finish the weekend.
I wonder how often this sort of thing happens.
Then what the is going on with the stats?A Barehanded Telethon Mirth Gun wrote:According to the Sunday spreadhseet, Novi did in fact play Seven Lakes and State College (and lost to both).
Its fixed now.Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Then what the is going on with the stats?A Barehanded Telethon Mirth Gun wrote:According to the Sunday spreadhseet, Novi did in fact play Seven Lakes and State College (and lost to both).
I really want to know how this question would differentiate between those who know something about Tajikistan's geography and those who don't know anything about it. Honestly, Panj River, Khorugh, or Gorno-Badakhshan could be after power while Pamir Highway could be in power, and it wouldn't make a difference IMO. Do we know how many times this question was answered in power?bt_green_warbler wrote:Much of this nation's southern border lies along the Panj River. Khorugh, the capital of its autonomous province of Gorno-Badakhshan, lies on the (*) Pamir Highway, and the Anzob Tunnel connects its second-most populous city, Khujand, with its capital. The western end of the Ferghana Valley lies in this nation between Uzbekistan and Afghanistan. For 10 points--name this former Soviet republic with capital Dushanbe.
I actually disagree with this particular point. The Pamirs are a pretty famous mountain range, whereas all of the other features are pretty much unknown and probably of the same level.PennySalem wrote:I really want to know how this question would differentiate between those who know something about Tajikistan's geography and those who don't know anything about it. Honestly, Panj River, Khorugh, or Gorno-Badakhshan could be after power while Pamir Highway could be in power, and it wouldn't make a difference IMO. Do we know how many times this question was answered in power?bt_green_warbler wrote:Much of this nation's southern border lies along the Panj River. Khorugh, the capital of its autonomous province of Gorno-Badakhshan, lies on the (*) Pamir Highway, and the Anzob Tunnel connects its second-most populous city, Khujand, with its capital. The western end of the Ferghana Valley lies in this nation between Uzbekistan and Afghanistan. For 10 points--name this former Soviet republic with capital Dushanbe.
A whole lot of the issues with NAQT writing and editing relate to that last theorem, or more general forms of it.Kyle wrote:They should write questions for it earlier and perhaps most importantly they shouldn't write "mixed" questions that are in fact just more geography questions. And if over time this category just keeps getting filled last, then maybe we should cut the number of "mixed" questions in half?
Guy's post is pretty much why I put the powermark where I did in this question. If I were going to move something into the power zone, it might be the Anzob Tunnel, which may be the hardest clue in this tossup. I considered moving some of these things around and adding description, but it would have required wholesale change to the sentence structure of the tossup, and there were dozens of other questions that needed my time more.Sir Thopas wrote:I actually disagree with this particular point. The Pamirs are a pretty famous mountain range, whereas all of the other features are pretty much unknown and probably of the same level.PennySalem wrote:I really want to know how this question would differentiate between those who know something about Tajikistan's geography and those who don't know anything about it. Honestly, Panj River, Khorugh, or Gorno-Badakhshan could be after power while Pamir Highway could be in power, and it wouldn't make a difference IMO. Do we know how many times this question was answered in power?bt_green_warbler wrote:Much of this nation's southern border lies along the Panj River. Khorugh, the capital of its autonomous province of Gorno-Badakhshan, lies on the (*) Pamir Highway, and the Anzob Tunnel connects its second-most populous city, Khujand, with its capital. The western end of the Ferghana Valley lies in this nation between Uzbekistan and Afghanistan. For 10 points--name this former Soviet republic with capital Dushanbe.
I think what you are really testing is: do you know the atomic numbers of H, He, B and Ne? Which is no bad thing to ask, but a different approach is required!Crazy Andy Watkins wrote:"the spin quantum number isn't a thing, and so only one electron per orbital."
It was! Thanks so much!jmannor2 wrote:I wasn't aware of how popular the new Strokes album got. Also, was it Richard Montgomery that wore the shirts that said Swag on them? Those were dope.
HSNCT round 1 wrote:This author wrote about the interracial relationship between Ann Davis and Gideon Shibalo, while in another work, a dead body is found on a farm by Jacobus, causing Mehring to rethink his morals. In addition to ~An Occasion for Loving~ and ~The (*) Conservationist~, she wrote a novel focusing on the Smales family. For 10 points--name this South African author of ~July's People~.
HSNCT round 16 wrote:This man's narrative of mankind is titled ~Glimpses of World History~ and he came to power with his ~Tryst with Destiny~ inaugural address. He signed the Five Principles of Peaceful Co-Existence with China and commissioned the Bhakra Dam. He coined the term (*) non-aligned movement and with Sukarno was one of the Asian founders of the group. For 10 points--name this man known as the Pandit, the first prime minister of India.
HSNCT round 15 wrote:This running back was the MVP of the 2003 Las Vegas Bowl while at Oregon State. In 2006, he led the NFL in yards from scrimmage and in 2009 was second to Chris Johnson in rushing yards. In 2010, he became his franchise's all-time leading rusher by surpassing Eric (*) Dickerson. A former backup to Marshall Faulk, he now receives handoffs from Sam Bradford. For 10 points--name this running back for the St. Louis Rams.
HSNCT round 2 wrote:For 10 points each--name these men known for athletic, rather than ecclesiastic, accomplishments:
A. This defensive end claims he would hold the single-season sack record if it had been officially tracked while he played for the Rams from 1961 to '71.
answer: (David) Deacon _Jones_
B. When he retired in 2007, this running back held Kansas City Chiefs franchise records for rushing attempts, rushing yards, and rushing touchdowns.
answer: Priest (Anthony) _Holmes_
C. This Washington Redskin, a relative of the composer of "'Round Midnight," was the only player to have 100 receptions in a season prior to 1990 rule changes that helped the passing game.
answer: (James Arthur) Art _Monk_ [He is a relative of Thelonious Monk.]