The Quizbowl Resource Center

Host
Paul Laurence Dunbar High School on 1600 Man O' War Boulevard in Lexington, KY


Date
October 2nd, 2010


Registration
Send an email with DAFT in the subject line to [email protected]
List how many teams and how many buzzers your school will be bringing in addition to how many miles your team will be traveling one way according to Google Maps
Feel free to just express interest in attending this tournament


Questions
Each round will consist of 20 power-marked 7-line tossups (12pt font Times New Roman) and 20 unrelated three-part bonuses with distinct easy/middle/hard parts
Last year’s questions


Difficulty
Dunbar Fall plans to have slightly longer tossups on easy answers along with easier bonuses than last year. Powers will be rewarded to players with knowledge beyond that of surface generalists.


Format
Tossups and bonuses with powers and negs but no bouncebacks
Bracketed round robin format for both the preliminary and playoff rounds
Every team will be guaranteed at least 7 games regardless of field size.
A team wins this tournament by making the top playoff bracket and then having the highest winning percentage within the top playoff bracket.
Ties between teams of different preliminary brackets will be broken by points per bonus or a packet if possible.
All other ties will be broken by points per twenty tossups heard or by a packet if possible.


Fee Structure
Base Fee: $70 for the first team and -$10 for each additional team from the same school ($60 for the second team, $50 for the third team, etc.)
Buzzer System: -$10 for each working buzzer system provided by a school
Travel: -$10 for every 200 miles traveled one way according to Google Maps
Base fees and travel discounts apply to individual teams while buzzer system discounts apply to schools as a whole.


Mirrors
Mirror Fee: $10 per team attending

Northwest – (Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming)

West – (California and Nevada)
Caltech (tentative)

Southwest – (Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Utah)

Midwest – (Missouri, Illinois, Ohio, Iowa, Kansas, and Nebraska)
Illinois (10/23/10)
Missouri S&T (12/11/10)
Ohio State (10/30/10)

North – (Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, South Dakota, and North Dakota)

New England – (Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Maine)
Yale (tentative)

Mid-Atlantic – (Virginia, DC, Maryland, Delaware, New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania)
Freeman (VA) (12/11/10)
Princeton (10/02/10)

Florida


Field as of 9/25/10 (8 teams and 4 buzzers)
Ballard with 0 buzzers ($70)
Danville with 2 buzzers ($50)
Danville Bate (2) with ? buzzers ($130)
Johnson Central (2) with ? buzzers ($130)
DDII with 1 buzzer ($35 -- three-man team $15 rate - buzzer discount)
Simon Kenton with 1 buzzer ($60)


Expressed Interest as of 9/25/10 (5 teams)
Anderson
Northmont (OH)
Trinity

I'm glad to see that you guys will be using powers this year.
I'm sure the questions will be very high quality once again.

You can count on Grayson for a minimum of one team, with two others likely.
We should be able to bring at least two buzzer systems.

We're coming -- at least 2 teams with buzzers and reading

SoLegit12 wrote:We're coming -- at least 2 teams with buzzers and reading

How many buzzers?

Short update: John and Dan have confirmed mirrors at Yale and Princeton respectively.
Dunbar would certainly also like to have more teams come down to Dunbar so please feel free to send me an e-mail confirming your team's attendance.

Sandy,

Have Princeton & Yale also confirmed October 2nd as the dates of their mirrors as is indicated upthread?

Edward Powers wrote:Sandy,

Have Princeton & Yale also confirmed October 2nd as the dates of their mirrors as is indicated upthread?

Yes

Huang wrote:

Edward Powers wrote:Sandy,

Have Princeton & Yale also confirmed October 2nd as the dates of their mirrors as is indicated upthread?

Yes

It seems to me that those tournaments are pretty close to each other geographically, and might lead to extensive field overlap.

That could be true. I'll let John and Dan discuss it if that's the case. I was under the impression that Yale attracted less mid-Atlantic teams.

Put us down for 2 teams with 2 buzzers Sandy.

Well, it just so happens that out AP US class may be taking a trip to DC this week, so we migh not be able to come here at full strength. We will try our best to still send a team.

So with less than two months until the tournament, we only have 6 teams registered. Field update below. I understand that many teams have just started up at school, but please let me know as soon as possible if your team will be attending.

Field as of 8/17/10 (6 teams and 4 buzzers)
Grayson with 2 buzzers ($50)
Danville (2) with 2 buzzers ($110)
duPont Manual (2) with ? buzzers ($130)
Owensboro with ? buzzers ($70)

Ballard is interested with at least one team, maybe two. No buzzers or readers.

Due to the FEI World Equestrian Games significantly raising hotel prices in Lexington, Dunbar will probably move this tournament to October 30th (October 9th being the SAT, October 16th being the PSAT, and October 23rd being the ACT). I will send an e-mail out to all the registered teams as soon as this is confirmed.

Huang wrote:Due to the FEI World Equestrian Games significantly raising hotel prices in Lexington, Dunbar will probably move this tournament to October 30th (October 9th being the SAT, October 16th being the PSAT, and October 23rd being the ACT). I will send an e-mail out to all the registered teams as soon as this is confirmed.

That's incredibly unfortunate. I'm not sure if we'll be able to make it on the 30th.

Coach K wrote:

Huang wrote:Due to the FEI World Equestrian Games significantly raising hotel prices in Lexington, Dunbar will probably move this tournament to October 30th (October 9th being the SAT, October 16th being the PSAT, and October 23rd being the ACT). I will send an e-mail out to all the registered teams as soon as this is confirmed.

That's incredibly unfortunate. I'm not sure if we'll be able to make it on the 30th.

What's the conflict?

Huang wrote:

Coach K wrote:

Huang wrote:Due to the FEI World Equestrian Games significantly raising hotel prices in Lexington, Dunbar will probably move this tournament to October 30th (October 9th being the SAT, October 16th being the PSAT, and October 23rd being the ACT). I will send an e-mail out to all the registered teams as soon as this is confirmed.

That's incredibly unfortunate. I'm not sure if we'll be able to make it on the 30th.

What's the conflict?

Nothing in particular off the top of my head, just a bunch of our team involved with other things that day (if I'm remembering their conflicts correctly). Not really anything you can do about it, if the tournament has to get moved, it has to get moved.

The move to the 30 greatly increases the likelihood that we will attend with our actual team.
However, do what is best for teams (and your team) in general.

I would suggest not moving this to October 30, obviously, since Vanderbilt is having their tournament then.
The next Saturday is a tournament in Hart County that really isn't any good, but a good amount teams (not saying Grayson) will because it is virtually the only time Johnson Central travels west of Lexington, before state.

So...
I'm not sure what you should do; maybe November 27 would work...
We would attend with probably 2/3 teams on that date.

Or sometime earlier is fine too.

grayson77 wrote:I would suggest not moving this to October 30, obviously, since Vanderbilt is having their tournament then.
The next Saturday is a tournament in Hart County that really isn't any good, but a good amount teams (not saying Grayson) will because it is virtually the only time Johnson Central travels west of Lexington, before state.

So...
I'm not sure what you should do; maybe November 27 would work...
We would attend with probably 2/3 teams on that date.

Or sometime earlier is fine too.

November 6 is ACF Fall. November 27 is Thanksgiving weekend.

Hilltopper22 wrote:
November 6 is ACF Fall.

I don't think "there is a college tournament that day" should be a concern when scheduling high school tournaments unless the tournament is a) run by a college or b) critically Dependant on college players staffing. If this is the latter of those cases, that's an understandable concern, but otherwise I think there should be less of an emphasis given to college tournament overlaps given the still general rareness of high school teams that actually go play these events.

Frater Taciturnus wrote:

Hilltopper22 wrote:
November 6 is ACF Fall.

I don't think "there is a college tournament that day" should be a concern when scheduling high school tournaments unless the tournament is a) run by a college or b) critically Dependant on college players staffing. If this is the latter of those cases, that's an understandable concern, but otherwise I think there should be less of an emphasis given to college tournament overlaps given the still general rareness of high school teams that actually go play these events.

Tippecanoe is also November 6th and I know Danville and some other Kentucky teams are going to that.

Frater Taciturnus wrote:

Hilltopper22 wrote:
November 6 is ACF Fall.

I don't think "there is a college tournament that day" should be a concern when scheduling high school tournaments unless the tournament is a) run by a college or b) critically Dependant on college players staffing. If this is the latter of those cases, that's an understandable concern, but otherwise I think there should be less of an emphasis given to college tournament overlaps given the still general rareness of high school teams that actually go play these events.

Dunbar has gone to ACF Fall in the past though, and since they're hosting the tournament I figured it was worth noting.

I know that October 9 is the sat, but that day would be great for us. We would attend with quite a few teams if it could be held then. I'm sure being on one out of several sat days wouldn't stop that many teams from attending, and the end of October/beginning of November seems worse conflict wise.

This tournament is extremely high quality, one of the highest quality events we attended last year. I will do all in my power to make sure Grayson goes, no matter what conflicts there are (ei. we would probably go here instead of Vanderbilt, even though it is closer). Nevertheless, I believe October 9 is the way to go.

Alright. We will sort this out hopefully within the next 2-3 days. We're still weighing our options.

Realistically, how many teams would you lose because of the Equestrian Games? I know you all normally draw several teams from further away, but it always seemed to me like most of the teams were relatively local and just drove in that morning.

If it ends up on October 9th we may be able to go, and if it's October 30th it'd be closer than the Ohio mirror held that day for us.

Coach K wrote:Realistically, how many teams would you lose because of the Equestrian Games? I know you all normally draw several teams from further away, but it always seemed to me like most of the teams were relatively local and just drove in that morning.

Yeah. This is one of the things we're also considering. We're thinking that maybe a few of us could host long distance teams at our houses, if needed. I'll let you all know as soon as possible.

Sandy,
If you move it to October 9, Owensboro will not be able to attend because that is the first Saturday of our fall break. If you move it to October 30, we will not be able to attend because of a conflict with the Vanderbilt ABC. We have reserved rooms in Louisville for Friday night, October 1, and planned to travel to Lexington from there. Why not leave well enough alone and keep the tournament on October 2?
John Woolley
Assistant Coach
Owensboro High School

jwoolley wrote:Sandy,
If you move it to October 9, Owensboro will not be able to attend because that is the first Saturday of our fall break. If you move it to October 30, we will not be able to attend because of a conflict with the Vanderbilt ABC. We have reserved rooms in Louisville for Friday night, October 1, and planned to travel to Lexington from there. Why not leave well enough alone and keep the tournament on October 2?
John Woolley
Assistant Coach
Owensboro High School

Mr. Wooley, we're now debating between October 2nd and October 23rd. If we do move the date, will you be able to book a new hotel for the 23rd?

The 2nd is the only day Ballard could probably attend

Sorry, Sandy, but Western Kentucky University is having a tournament on October 23 for which we have already registered.

maged wrote:The 2nd is the only day Ballard could probably attend

Can I place Ballard on the official list of attending teams then if we stay on October 2nd (it looks like this is the only date that works)? I haven't received a confirmation e-mail yet from your coach.

I'll double check with our coach tomorrow but I know we'll attend with one team, I'm just not certain if we'll have two teams yet.

We are staying on October 2nd. If any team has trouble with hotels, a good number of my teammates and I are willing to host teams at our houses. Let me know if this needs to be arranged or not.

Field update below


Field as of 9/25/10 (10 teams and 6 buzzers)
Ballard with 0 buzzers ($70)
Grayson with 2 buzzers ($50)
Danville (2) with 2 buzzers ($110)
duPont Manual (2) with ? buzzers ($130)
Johnson Central with ? buzzers ($70)
Owensboro with 1 buzzer ($65)
Simon Kenton (2) with 1 buzzer ($120)


Expressed Interest as of 9/25/10 (5 teams)
Anderson
Grayson (2)
Northmont (OH)
Trinity

Take off an official duPont Manual.

SoLegit12 wrote:Take off an official duPont Manual.

Will you guys be able to come unofficially?

duPont Manual, or at least myself, will come unofficially. The tentative name is Pallet Town Prep

Meghamsh is very confident he can come... and our new name is Lindsay Lohan's Legal Team

Alright, cool. Everything is updated in the first post, I think.

Lindsay Lohan's Legal Team has added another counsel (player) and a buzzer system

We will not be able to come due to the aforementioned trip to the D.C. area.
Sorry about the inconvenience.

So...we almost might have more mirrors than we have teams at our own tournament! (Don't worry Scott, I completely understand)

We should be able to make it to the Spring tournament with quite a few teams, buzzers, and staffers.
Have you guys considered writing it as well?

grayson77 wrote:We should be able to make it to the Spring tournament with quite a few teams, buzzers, and staffers.
Have you guys considered writing it as well?

It will most probably be a vendor set.

Okay, hopefully you go with HSAPQ.

I would like to see another team do an NAQT tournament this spring.

grayson77 wrote:Okay, hopefully you go with HSAPQ.

I would like to see another team do an NAQT tournament this spring.

We're running IS-100 on April 30th.

Sounds good.
We will almost certainly be there.

Dan-Don II is now a one-person team with one buzzer