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biggiebird89

I wanted to get a consensus idea about dressing when running a tournament - I have advised coaches/players that attire for our tournament is completely up to them (no shirt/tie required, they can come in pajamas if they want to honestly, whatever makes them comfortable.) But what about those moderat...

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Bumping this just because we are within a 2 week period to this tournament date. We have 9 confirmed teams and one interested (awaiting their registration at the moment.) Any other interested teams should get a hold of me as soon as possible to reserve a spot!

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I agree. I should admit I did not see that long entry when I submitted my "nit-picky" comment, so I apologize if that offended anyone. I like the idea of balanced playoff pools better, and disqualifying one team for losing one game really doesn't boost their morale when playing either.

biggiebird89

Hence why I said it was just nit-picky in saying so. I think 4 brackets of 7 into 7 of 4 works the best.

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True - but that may (in a very nit-picky sense) give some teams an unfair advantage of already seeing how a team they could play in playoffs perform. This could result in changes of strategies for that team, etc. Mind you, it's very minuscule if that, but someone might say something about it.

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4 divisions of 7 for prelims (7 rounds, 6 games per team) - rebracketed into 7 divisions of 4 (3 matches per team) gives you 10 rounds, 9 matches, with plenty of breathing room.

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Sounds good to me. I have updated the field again earlier today - Hanover is "splitting" teams between us and the Harvard tournament, so they will have one team there again, and Lyndon Institute has also inquired for registration as well. Aside from that, the 8 from Fair Haven, Lisbon, and...

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We are happy to announce that our tournament has been GOLD certified by PACE. This means that the top 20% of our field will qualify for the NSC and will be able to register on January 1 with a $50 discount should they wish to attend!

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At the moment, Fair Haven has confirmed 1 team into the tournament. My apologies for not updating. The majority of the teams listed are planning on bringing multiple teams, but we're just having them wait at the moment for the deadlines so we can allow other schools the chance to register as well. T...

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I wouldn't keep teams in the same room - I try to balance those kinds of settings out, but I was just unsure of doing what I described (keeping a set number of rooms for each bracket) was an ad/disadvantage to certain teams in that sense.

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Since no one replied to my above question - I'll pose a new one that I'm struggling with at the moment: Does it particularly matter if teams hear a specific reader/moderator more than once during a round robin (such as a preliminary?) I am making up schedules for all scenarios (such as for 16 teams,...

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That's what I was thinking, but I just wanted you to clarify that. I also had an idea about something someone said earlier: For 20 teams, your only real options are 4 brackets of 5 feeding into 5 brackets of 4 (7 games, 8 rounds), which seems a little short...... What's your take on the idea of this...

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So essentially you're suggesting the 2nd option I had, where I take the top 2 teams in each bracket, combine them into 1 playoff pool, carry over the previous game, and just have teams play 4 of the 5 teams in the pool (excluding the one played in the morning,) am I right?

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The Fall Novice set for this year has 13 packets, and the 2/2/2/2/1-2 thing has me a bit confused as to what you mean, Donald.

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Time for s'more help on another bracketing situation - this time, for 22 teams. I've thought about preliminary brackets going to 3 brackets, 2 having 7 and 1 having 8. This would require 7 rounds (6 matches for the divisions of 7, and 7 matches for the bracket of 8). Then comes the idea for playoffs...

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Now this is where I REALLY get to show my inexperience - back to the argument of using "-5s"/"Negs" or whatever you want to call them: Are these ONLY used when a question is interrupted and is incorrect, or whenever a question is answered incorrectly (even after the question is c...

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^^ Agreed. I'm interested to see that for the "Quest" coming up in a little over a month.

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Another 24 team format that would work for this audience is doing 4 pools of 6 for the prelims, taking the top 2 from each pool to the playoffs, split the playoff pool in half and run two balanced 4 team pools for the playoffs, then have the top 2 teams from each playoff pool do a cross bracket. Fo...

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It would absolutely be worth it instead of having dummies like me who aren't experienced in this regard asking people 14 times over, "Hey, which of A and B sounds better and why" and wasting post space. It's not that I can't think of things on my own, because I can, but having experienced ...

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Now to go back to a previous question for another situation: How would everyone format a 24-team tournament? My thoughts were doing either: 1.) 3 eight-team brackets, then re-bracketing into 6 four-team brackets (have the 1s play the 2s and vice versa, 3s play the 4s, etc. EXCEPT for the team played...

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Donald - I'm assuming the "5 before a stall on tossups" is what I was suggesting 3 for, and basically just allows 5 seconds to answer after buzzing in and being recognized? If that's the case, that works for me and makes much more sense.

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With that said, I cannot fathom why you repeatedly are interested in coming up with your own completely untested brand new rules to impose on unsuspecting novice quizbowl teams in your region that have no basis in standard quizbowl procedure, when there is a very standard, much simpler procedure th...

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All valid points (and rage comments, I suppose.) I'm still young in terms of the vast range of QB, especially since I'm basing my logic of QB from when I played in HS, but that was NOWHERE affiliated with any nationally-recognized format of quiz-bowl. We had 8 seconds for 4-part bonuses, but this wa...

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Ok - we have decided to implement the "-5" rule for tossups for our tournament. Now for another question that I'm curious the reaction. Here is my "at the moment" idea for tournament procedures: -> 5 seconds to answer a tossup once the question has been read (interruptions can ha...

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Charlie - Fine with the Fall Novice folks, or fine to use period? (Or both?) I've emailed the directors of both leagues to get their take - I don't want to give teams from a specific state a disadvantage/advantage just because there are rules followed in one area that aren't in others, etc. I person...

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Jeff - thank you for your reply. One LAST question (hopefully, and this one I am asking due to technicalities and not wanting to **** anyone off): For a Fall Novice mirror, is it standard to use "negs" for this type of tournament. I haven't been 100% aware of what the procedures are when i...

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Now that I have looked back on this as I've sent information out to perspective teams, another thought has come to mind: Since all teams in my tournament will be hearing 20 tossup questions in their matches, both morning and afternoon (with the number of bonuses depending, obviously,) would it be mo...

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Sounds fair enough then. I will make a note of it in my information for the day of the tournament and just go as is. I guess there are some things in life (or tournament play) that one really doesn't have much control over. =P

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Agreed on all terms. I don't want teams coming to this tournament feeling screwed out of questions or, in reality, a good time period because they didn't get 20 questions each round? Last year, because we weren't sure how the normal procedures go, we implemented a 35-minute "range" for mat...

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I like the idea of the timers in each room. My idea was (originally, before being "turned away" to the idea, I guess, is the easiest way of putting it) to have a timer in each room (no noise, etc.,) and when 30 minutes was up, the reader would finish the question/bonus they were on, etc. I...

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If I'm reading you right, wouldn't you be using 11 packets? A cross bracket between the top 4 and bottom 4 teams in each pool would take 4 games, not 3, because everybody has to play the other bracket's 4 teams. I may have mis-worded what my numbers were. It should be 11 games, with in this case, a...

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That works for me!

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I hate to be a post-pooper, but I'm not 100% following behind what you're saying. Would you give an example to demonstrate this just so I can see it's 100% the same thing?

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Would it be more wise to go with points per EACH tossup heard, or points per 20 heard, since - again, not all teams might hear 20 tossups the entire tournament. Personally, I think points per tossup sounds more fair in this regard, but that's just me.

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My thoughts were to do the 2X8 RR, then the top 4/bottom 4 (playoff/consolation, resp.) and carry over morning records, doing a cross-bracket, so that's 7+3=10 games, then a one-game championship between the top teams in each playoff pool. In what sense would a 21 team tournament work aside from 3 g...

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Remember that a 9-team round-robin requires 9 rounds due to the bye, so Option 1 doesn't work (the consolation group would require 14 rounds). Option 2 is probably a better choice. I would count the carryover game and just play the other four teams in your tier, so that the tournament guarantees 9 ...

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Hello All. A question or two on playoff formatting for my upcoming tournament: Say, hypothetically, there are 18 teams in this tournament. I have 2 ideas in mine how to format this to benefit all teams. Back-Information - Using Fall Novice Question Set - 2 team per school cap - 30-minute matches: Op...

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Confirmed Entrants
1.) Lisbon Regional (NH - 3 teams)
2.) Fair Haven (VT - 3 teams)
3.) Phillips Exeter Academy (NH - 2 teams)
4.) Hanover HS (NH - 1 team)
5.) Montpelier HS (VT - 1 team)

Total: 10 HS teams

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That's what I was thinking, but I didn't know if there was a certain way of going about it so it didn't seem, I guess, "discriminatory." We want to encourage schools over teams in this instance, before we take multiple schools' teams, etc.

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Elsewhere, it's looking like Lyndon State College is going to hold a Fall Novice mirror again this year on Nov. 12. See my thread concerning "2nd Annual L.S.C. 'Quest for the Nest' Tournament (11/12/11)" for more information on our tournament. This event is taking the place of Hanover (NH...

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The Lyndon State College chapter of the Sigma Zeta National Honor Society would like to invite you and your school to the 2nd Annual L.S.C. “Quest for the Nest” Academic Quiz Tournament ! DATE : Saturday, November 12, 2011 VENUE : Lyndon State College - 1001 College Rd., Lyndonville, VT, 05851. Park...

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Hello All. An upcoming tournament that my alma mater will be holding (that I started last year as a college Senior and am advising over this year) had 5 HSs with 11 total teams in last year's tournament. Of these, 2 schools provided 3 teams each, making up more than half of the field. This year, we ...

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On behalf of the Lyndon State College chapter of the Sigma Zeta National Honor Society, we are very proud to invite you and your school to the inaugural L.S.C. “Quest for the Nest” Quiz-Bowl Tournament ! Host : Lyndon State College – 1001 College Road, Lyndonville, VT, 05851 Date : October 23, 2010 ...

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For those that were curious (since it's been almost like half a month since I've posted anything here,) my club's tournament has been created and posted in the "High School Regional Tournament" discussion area. We are doing the "L.S.C. 'Quest for the Nest' Academic Quiz Tournament&quo...

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Plus I figured it'd be a little bit more..competitive, than having just 6 #1 seeds play off, etc. This way, it breaks it down like any regular sport. You have conferences with divisions, then you go to your playoff pools, and the best team (whether realistically the best team or not) from each pool ...

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[quote="SirT"] Bracket A: #1, #4 and #5; Runners Up to #2, #3 and #6 Bracket B: #2, #3 and #6; Runners Up to #1, #4 and #5 [having not bracketed a tournament, this may be a stupid question, but should this be 1/3/5/R2/R4/R6 and 2/4/6/R1/R3/R5?] I tried figuring it out myself a while back, ...

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At the moment, my plan IS to send out another information sheet to teams that do email requesting to register. That was just my intention of providing an information sheet to send to the 2 directors who had agreed to help me out by emailing the sheet/information to the coaches on THEIR contact lists...

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Absolutely, no problem at all.

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Ok - I have gone about and made up a format sheet to submit to coaches interested in our tournament (I have the VT and NH directors who say they will be more than happy to pass along the information to other coaches for me.) I also opted to add in teams from Northern NY to this tournament, as realiz...

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@Charlie – Thank you for your insight into everything been typed so far. As you said, I am incredibly optimistic about this tournament and the possibilities that could potentially come with this tournament my club wishes to run, but we have slightly overlooked that issue with teams coming into this....

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