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by mrgsmath
Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:59 am
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Illinois '10 - '11
Replies: 296
Views: 62415

Re: Illinois '10 - '11

How about this one? I see that Loyola has a few spots reserved at the upstate location... And PORTA is hosting the downstate location. Does this tournament have actual legitimacy? Not really. It's a singles tournament. Earlybird was legitimate. Loyburn will be legit. NAQT State will be legit. IHSA/...
by mrgsmath
Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:54 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: NT & PORTA Scobol Solo 11/20/10
Replies: 51
Views: 47167

Re: NT & PORTA Scobol Solo 11/20/10

To avoid confusion, there are openings at the PORTA location. I have planned for 64 slots and we are about half full. If you are South of the Illinois Quiz Bowl Mason-Dixon, we would love to have you.
by mrgsmath
Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:53 pm
Forum: Middle school area archives
Topic: IESA Scholastic Bowl Workshop 10/29/10
Replies: 3
Views: 1561

Re: IESA Scholastic Bowl Workshop 10/29/10

I know I am going to regret asking this. Particularly after reading the two previous posts concerning the event, as well as the idea that it has always been "themed" is not a big plus for me either. But due to golf coaching duties I have never been able to attend this annual event and so have no ide...
by mrgsmath
Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:40 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Illinois '10 - '11
Replies: 296
Views: 62415

Re: Illinois '10 - '11

PORTA lost Justin Did you hear something I didn't? This will be Justin's Senior year and hopefully the supporting cast has been working hard over the summer. It should also be noted that New Berlin lost all thier starters from last year and will be playing with alot of underclassmen (or underclassp...
by mrgsmath
Tue May 11, 2010 3:38 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: IHSA Advisory Committee
Replies: 65
Views: 6584

Re: IHSA Advisory Committee

Coach Grant, it seems to me that perhaps, as you have been coaching a team that is successful enough to win tournaments, that maybe its easy to lose sight of the fact that a very, very small number of teams are particularly talented at the high school level, when you consider that there are probabl...
by mrgsmath
Tue May 11, 2010 11:51 am
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: IHSA Advisory Committee
Replies: 65
Views: 6584

Re: IHSA Advisory Committee

As a small part of the distribution, 1/1 or so a tournament, I really have no problem with it. Nobody is arguing Lady Gaga or the Black Eyed Peas should be going into FA, but the Beatles? Chuck Berry? I can see it. At some point the music does become so ingrained in our culture that it crosses the ...
by mrgsmath
Tue May 11, 2010 7:59 am
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: IHSA Advisory Committee
Replies: 65
Views: 6584

Re: IHSA Advisory Committee

I apologize, when I stay up too late I forget that frogs jump and not leap . But the issue of question difficulty did originate out of the Rock and Roll issue, since my main objection to R&R as Fine Arts was that it seemed to me to simply be an effort to allow weak teams a way to answer a question c...
by mrgsmath
Mon May 10, 2010 11:35 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: IHSA Advisory Committee
Replies: 65
Views: 6584

Re: IHSA Advisory Committee

I am suggesting that questions reflect a quality of education we can reasonably expect from our players. And so this comes back to the great question of whether quizbowl is supposed to be a test of what we learn in school or our own intellectual curiosity. Since all this began with the discussion o...
by mrgsmath
Mon May 10, 2010 11:30 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: IHSA Advisory Committee
Replies: 65
Views: 6584

Re: IHSA Advisory Committee

Well for the sake of preserving my tarnished reputation, let's agree that there is no exact percentage of tossups in a Varsity set that should be converted. It's certainly higher that what Coach Grant is advocating though. For the record, I never gave a percentage, I am happy with 70-80% conversion...
by mrgsmath
Mon May 10, 2010 11:26 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: IHSA Advisory Committee
Replies: 65
Views: 6584

Re: IHSA Advisory Committee

All of this misses my original point. My contention was that having final clues that 80% of the "people in room" can answer, as opposed to 80% of the questions being answerable by prepared teams is diluting the quality of the question set. I hold to my Mark Twain example. Is it not reasonable to exp...
by mrgsmath
Mon May 10, 2010 10:03 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: IHSA Advisory Committee
Replies: 65
Views: 6584

Re: IHSA Advisory Committee

Note that, in a properly constructed question that is played correctly by both teams, no team that is totally unstimulated by the "who wrote Tom Sawyer" clue will hear it--since they'll know earlier clues well enough already to have buzzed. I agree, my point was that the Tom Sawyer clue was not onl...
by mrgsmath
Mon May 10, 2010 6:56 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: IHSA Advisory Committee
Replies: 65
Views: 6584

Re: IHSA Advisory Committee

My comment was not intended to suggest that Pyramidal questions are bad, I fully support the concept that depth of knowledge is critical to dedermining the better of two good teams, but my point is rather directed towards the very point that Jay makes. While there should be risk reward to buzzing in...
by mrgsmath
Mon May 10, 2010 1:26 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: IHSA Advisory Committee
Replies: 65
Views: 6584

Re: IHSA Advisory Committee

So this is a question mainly to the coaches I don't know on at least a semi-good basis (e.g. Mr. Prince, Mr. Grant, and Mr. Winter): Does the inclusion of what many would consider to be 'trash' (the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Performers subcategory) in the fine arts distribution make you lose any r...
by mrgsmath
Sat May 08, 2010 6:34 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: IHSA Advisory Committee
Replies: 65
Views: 6584

Re: IHSA Advisory Committee

I am curious about the change to regional hosts. I can see the advantages to Class AA schools, since some of the road trips were murder, and a majority of such schools are capable of staffing and running a quality meet of 4 rooms. But I see a problem with Class A, where some small schools simply can...
by mrgsmath
Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:56 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Albus Dumbledore Memorial (4/17/2010) @ IVCC (Oglesby, IL)
Replies: 58
Views: 7291

Re: Albus Dumbledore Memorial (4/17/2010) @ IVCC (Oglesby, IL)

As a coach who brought two teams to the meet I would like to say that it was one of the most professionally run and effeciently run tournaments I have had the pleasure to attend, and as this includes the variety of High school tournaments I take teams to as well. Nathan did an exellent job as TD. Th...
by mrgsmath
Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:46 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: David Riley
Replies: 27
Views: 3956

Re: David Riley

David,

From myself and the entire PORTA scholastic bowl program, we wish you full and speedy recovery.

Mark Grant
by mrgsmath
Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:00 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why is Illinois bad?
Replies: 126
Views: 19950

Re: Why is Illinois bad?

Invitations went out late yesterday, and even with most schools on Spring break I already have four positive responses and no negative. It seems to be well received. I plan to start a new thread soon to get some of the promised help from you guys.
by mrgsmath
Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:38 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why is Illinois bad?
Replies: 126
Views: 19950

Re: Why is Illinois bad?

My schedule plan is four teams at four locations over 5 weeks. Since most teams in question play 3 team dates,this will actually reduce the number of dates while increasing the number of matches the team plays. By using common questions for the 15 rounds I hope we willl lower the overall cost. Prese...
by mrgsmath
Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:39 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why is Illinois bad?
Replies: 126
Views: 19950

Re: Why is Illinois bad?

Here is my problem, I am in the process of trying to get 16 Central Illinois teams together to form a League for the fall. My proposal is to use pyramidal questions, no "junk" (vocational, drivers ed, pop culture, home ec. ect) and even move to a three part bonus system with individual rebounding. T...
by mrgsmath
Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:58 am
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why is Illinois bad?
Replies: 126
Views: 19950

Re: Why is Illinois bad?

I don't know how long NAQT has offered a high school program, but I would suspect that it hasn't been that long compared to the established programs. Fall 1997, for the record. Thanks forthe info. That means one of the major, and perhaps oldest, national forces will be entering its 13 season. IHSA ...
by mrgsmath
Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:24 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why is Illinois bad?
Replies: 126
Views: 19950

Re: Why is Illinois bad?

I wasn't saying that quiz bowl is more difficult to prepare for, what I was trying to say is that it more difficult to find good role models for it. Your observation relates to watching teams at the state finals and having conversations, this is valid for you, since you already havethe passion to im...
by mrgsmath
Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:34 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why is Illinois bad?
Replies: 126
Views: 19950

Re: Why is Illinois bad?

In this area, I can't speak for others, I see 3 issues involved in the development quality of teams, which is really the driving force behind change of any meaningful value occuring. First is the attitude of the administrations. Many schools have teams because it is a requirement for conference part...
by mrgsmath
Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:15 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why is Illinois bad?
Replies: 126
Views: 19950

Re: Why is Illinois bad?

So it's basically impossible to write a bonus on a single work with any kind of sense; at any rate, it's much, much more difficult than it ought. That means that IHSA bonuses aren't like that; they tend to be just a number of superficially related or unrelated things, meaning they test only one kin...
by mrgsmath
Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:26 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why is Illinois bad?
Replies: 126
Views: 19950

Re: Why is Illinois bad?

The problem is, Mr. Grant, is that the IHSA format lends itself to stupid bonuses. You need to link four parts together, and this often leads to "NAME THESE ORANGE WORKS OF ART" or "ALL OF THESE NAMES START WITH M" instead of coherent bonuses with an easy-medium-hard progression. I may be unfamilia...
by mrgsmath
Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:08 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why is Illinois bad?
Replies: 126
Views: 19950

Re: Why is Illinois bad?

So, I guess it would be a more accurate statement of my view to say that the IHSA ought to change both its format, chiefly its subject areas and bonus bounceback type, and its questions, therefore its question production process. We're not going to have a good state tournament until we change both ...
by mrgsmath
Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:50 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Driver's Ed, Home Economics, etc
Replies: 43
Views: 5793

Re: Driver's Ed, Home Economics, etc

It occurs to me that every other IHSA activity has rules based on tradition, not logic, theory, and discussion. Looking at IHSA format as an attempt at a rational act doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't think I agree; it's clear there are many factors that decide the IHSA's rules. For example, the...
by mrgsmath
Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:36 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why is Illinois bad?
Replies: 126
Views: 19950

Re: Why is Illinois bad?

I'm not sure what your second sentence is saying, but I think it might be the claim that "Playing/practicing good quizbowl prepares players for IHSA, so playing/practicing IHSA prepares players for good quizbowl." I don't think the latter claim is true to nearly the same extent as the former. Much ...
by mrgsmath
Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:30 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Driver's Ed, Home Economics, etc
Replies: 43
Views: 5793

Re: Driver's Ed, Home Economics, etc

It seems that I can't post without stirring the pot. First, let me say that I in fact support a general rule for excluding the questions from catagories such as drivers ed and other vocational subjects. My reason is simple, while many matches can hinge on one question, they should be determined by i...
by mrgsmath
Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:39 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Driver's Ed, Home Economics, etc
Replies: 43
Views: 5793

Re: Driver's Ed, Home Economics, etc

It would be if we had a decent random sample... As much as the attitude seems to be that Southern Illinois is a problem. I would offer that the Central Kickoff had a high percentage of responses to this years survey, I would say close to 45% of those present. In many areas surveyed we had a higher ...
by mrgsmath
Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:36 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Driver's Ed, Home Economics, etc
Replies: 43
Views: 5793

Re: Driver's Ed, Home Economics, etc

Finally, I have to question your basic premise that Scholastic Bowl has to be accessible to all students, because that's a premise that no other sport aspires to. For example, playing tennis requires a basic degree of hand-eye coordination and athletic ability. Just as it would be absurd for me to ...
by mrgsmath
Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:17 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Driver's Ed, Home Economics, etc
Replies: 43
Views: 5793

Re: Driver's Ed, Home Economics, etc

Without spending time in structuring the question, going from harder to easier, I would develop a question concerning "calipers" that might begin with clues that differentate it from other tools in that its measurement is attained through comparitive means as opposed to a thread ratios that are more...
by mrgsmath
Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:50 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why is Illinois bad?
Replies: 126
Views: 19950

Re: Why is Illinois bad?

Many of these coaches see doing well at the IHSA state series as their most important/only objective and think that non-IHSA tournaments fail to prepare their teams for this. I vehemently disagree with both points, but I lack the power to change these people's minds. Suprisingly I agree with you in...
by mrgsmath
Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:23 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Driver's Ed, Home Economics, etc
Replies: 43
Views: 5793

Re: Driver's Ed, Home Economics, etc

I'm of the mind that if a season's worth of pyramidal questions can't be written about a topic, that topic should not be asked about. I think the debate about the academic merits of driver's ed/home ec/agriculture/comp math/etc. is pointless. It all begins and ends with: "Can this be pyramidally to...
by mrgsmath
Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:23 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: IHSA Sectionals results and discussion
Replies: 67
Views: 6997

Re: IHSA Sectionals results and discussion

While I don't have all the specfics, there was bit of controversy concerning the Litchfield / New Berlin match. Not related to either of the two teams specifically, so I don't want people to get the wrong impression as they are both great teams, but it seems the Tournament Manager had a snafu and th...
by mrgsmath
Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:43 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: February Poll
Replies: 108
Views: 16407

Re: February Poll

Actually, I may have made a error. I thought this was a posting to share IHSSBCA ranks, not a more general posting of rankings.
by mrgsmath
Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:41 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: February Poll
Replies: 108
Views: 16407

Re: February Poll

Mark: I'm curious to see some explanation for your Class AA ballot. i think in general we were in agreement on 4 of your top 5 picks. My review of the online results from the tournament page placed Stevenson lower, and perhaps in error. After 5 places it is nearly impossible for me to judge the fin...
by mrgsmath
Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:06 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: February Poll
Replies: 108
Views: 16407

Re: February Poll

Not wanting to offend anyone, particularly Jay, but here is my ballot as sent to IHSSBCA. Class A 1-Litchfield 2-Chicago Latin 3-Byron 4-Lisle 5-Macomb 6-PORTA 7-Farmington 8-New Berlin 9-Mendon Unity 10-Warrensburg Latham Class AA 1-Rockford Auburn 2-St. Ignatius 3-Carbondale 4- W. Loyola Academy 5...
by mrgsmath
Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:03 am
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why we can't have nice things
Replies: 141
Views: 21088

Re: Why we can't have nice things

The terms of the old thread were not the terms of free discussion that this board requires. Forum moderators took action, and now we have a new thread, and more importantly, an open discussion about quizbowl in Illinois and about discussing quizbowl in general. No one was shown the door or banned f...
by mrgsmath
Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:53 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: The Transition from Bad Quizbowl to Better Quizbowl
Replies: 20
Views: 3714

Re: The Transition from Bad Quizbowl to Better Quizbowl

PORTA Jr. High School is certainly invited to attend the Albus Dumbledore Memorial scholastic bowl tournament on Saturday, April 17th, 2010 at Illinois Valley Community College in Oglesby, Illinois. This tournament is a mirror of the 2010 Middle School Collaborative Tournament. You should receive a...
by mrgsmath
Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:13 am
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: The Transition from Bad Quizbowl to Better Quizbowl
Replies: 20
Views: 3714

Re: The Transition from Bad Quizbowl to Better Quizbowl

I think a big reason why bad quizbowl is still chosen is because bad quizbowl companies tend to have a better way of getting to new teams. QG and Avery questions seem to have a way of getting to newer schools, and they seem to be able to keep their customers (whether it is because of habit or incen...
by mrgsmath
Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:23 am
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why we can't have nice things
Replies: 141
Views: 21088

Re: Why we can't have nice things

I think that the idea to prepare one's team, one's staff, and other local teams for the Masonic tournament is the only possibly-rational explanation for running this crazy setup. To amend this terrible analogy, it would be as if you know that in a few weeks you and a group of local businessmen are ...
by mrgsmath
Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:24 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why we can't have nice things
Replies: 141
Views: 21088

Re: Why we can't have nice things

Well, I'm glad we're at that point at least. That said, that doesn't make sense. Your running a tournament in Masonic format isn't going to change the Masonic tournament itself. Perhaps you mean that you're doing it to prepare your team for the Masonic tournament. I look forward to your responses t...
by mrgsmath
Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:54 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why we can't have nice things
Replies: 141
Views: 21088

Re: Why we can't have nice things

So, taking up your analogy, what you did is: you chose to buy a substandard tire. No, I chose to buy the manufacturer's reccommend tire and not a tire that didn't fit the car. I appreciate the boards position that I should have run my invite to a higher standard and not compromised. I however made ...
by mrgsmath
Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:07 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why we can't have nice things
Replies: 141
Views: 21088

Re: Why we can't have nice things

...I accepted that there was no defensible argument for QG in general to be offered, I simply presented the reasons why It might be justifiable in this unique case. That's what's known as the fallacy of special pleading. It is categorically true that in this case your actions are inconsistent with ...
by mrgsmath
Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:31 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why we can't have nice things
Replies: 141
Views: 21088

Re: Why we can't have nice things

I think several arguments were offered against Questions Galore without the air of "look at how right I am" grandstanding; I think one of the problems here is that these boards have a lot of closed questions. It's a closed question whether QG ought to be used, and I think you know what the board's ...
by mrgsmath
Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:12 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why we can't have nice things
Replies: 141
Views: 21088

Re: Why we can't have nice things

OK, I didn't think that post was addressing my post because it didn't really answer what I asked. If your definition of "elitist" is "bad argument" then it's a novel one and I would request that you use more precise language to facilitate better communication. No not "bad argument" but rather dismi...
by mrgsmath
Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:21 am
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why we can't have nice things
Replies: 141
Views: 21088

Re: Why we can't have nice things

I asked Grant to define exactly what he meant by that, but he didn't respond. Actually I did respond to your post, which asked me to define elitism in the context that it was being used. Since I am still having trouble with using the quote feature I apologize if this is not a word for word repetiti...
by mrgsmath
Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:10 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why we can't have nice things
Replies: 141
Views: 21088

Re: Why we can't have nice things

Mr. Grant, I would strongly urge you to consider Jeff Geringer's proposal to use a housewritten set at least for the afternoon rounds. While you might or might not be justified in using QG questions to emulate the Masonic Format, you really don't want to deal with Avery's questions. Avery's reputat...
by mrgsmath
Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:33 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why we can't have nice things
Replies: 141
Views: 21088

Re: Why we can't have nice things

The only real issue I have with this tournament is the use of Avery in the afternoon. I understand now the problems most of you have with Avery, and I respect that you have good and sincere reasons. However, I had not had any of the experiences that you described and went with a source that I knew....
by mrgsmath
Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:16 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Why we can't have nice things
Replies: 141
Views: 21088

Re: Why we can't have nice things

Coach Grant, what's your position here regarding the relationship between your chosen question source and the "operational" side of a tournament? I've run totally smooth tournaments on pyramidal high school and college questions, so I'm not sure in what respects using QG makes the tournament smooth...