Progcon wrote:September 24 MSU Fall Kickoff Tournament on NAQT A set
bird bird bird bird bird wrote:Progcon wrote:September 24 MSU Fall Kickoff Tournament on NAQT A set
We might or might not be able to provide an introductory set for September 24th. In general, it is always a good idea to wait until you have confirmation from NAQT that a question set is available before posting a public announcement.
Thanks!
Cheynem wrote:Is it true that the Michigan State Honors College tournament will be using NAQT questions?
CGismondiCC wrote:The annual DCC Novice Tournament will be Saturday November 5th, and the annual DCC Middle School Tournament will be Saturday December 10th.
Progcon wrote:CGismondiCC wrote:The annual DCC Novice Tournament will be Saturday November 5th, and the annual DCC Middle School Tournament will be Saturday December 10th.
I added both events to the schedule. I don't have any other middle school events on there because I am not plugged into the MI middle school scene.
Does anybody have a good list of middle school tournaments? I'd be happy to add them.
jonah wrote:Progcon wrote:CGismondiCC wrote:The annual DCC Novice Tournament will be Saturday November 5th, and the annual DCC Middle School Tournament will be Saturday December 10th.
I added both events to the schedule. I don't have any other middle school events on there because I am not plugged into the MI middle school scene.
Does anybody have a good list of middle school tournaments? I'd be happy to add them.
Here's a place to start.
rxailagan wrote:Hello all!
Myself along with Sid Dogra, Harris Bunker, and Collin Parks made a website for Michigan in the state of Michigan in hopes to act as a resource for teams throughout the state. It can be found here: http://michiganquizbowl.org and if you would like to receive an email that Introduces the website and how you can be involved, please DM me your email address :)
LaurenJernstadt wrote:The brackets and schedules for the State Tournament are now posted!
http://honorscollege.msu.edu/quiz-bowl-brackets
Progcon wrote:LaurenJernstadt wrote:The brackets and schedules for the State Tournament are now posted!
http://honorscollege.msu.edu/quiz-bowl-brackets
Just as an FYI, these brackets are unseeded. I wanted to seed but the Honors College claimed that I didn't have enough information to seed teams. This is despite the fact that I have seeded for 4 high school tournaments this year.
dhumphreys17 wrote:That's a tad bit surprising! I for one noted that the top 4 teams in Class CD from last year that weren't Utica Academy (they're not in it this year) all got byes (Bad Axe, Manistee CC, Hackett Catholic, and Sacred Heart). I feel like Fulton got snubbed in their bracket placement, but that's just me. I do feel like we're on the "easier" side of the bracket. Anyway, I felt like they took a little effort to do some team seeding.
LaurenJernstadt wrote:I can see where you are coming from with the slight team seeding, but I can see why the Honors College would say they don't want to seed based on team strength since it is hard to tell which teams are stronger if most teams use different styles of questions. Although we went undefated in the Mid Michigan Academic League and League Tournament, our questions are a mix of pyramidal and lightning round style questions, and our league puts larger emphasis on current events and computational math. You could have a team who slammed every opponent in a league or tournament using strictly lightning round or KMO style questions but be super phased by the pyramidal style of questions as well as the difficulty of the POMMSS questions. You could also have a team whose win/loss record is not as great as others, but they could've stayed toe-to-toe against tougher teams than a team with a great win/loss record in an easier league. The Honors College may have decided that the four best teams from last year (Bad Axe, Manistee CC, Hackett, and Sacred Heart) were the only ones that needed "seeding" (AKA First round Byes) since their performance last year earned them a bit of a break this year.
Also, personally, I don't feel super snubbed with our placement, but I can see where you are coming from Devin. Sure, if we win our first match against Kent City (which I'm predicting we will since we already played them this season and beat them by nearly 200 points on QuizBusters), we have to play last year's runner-up (Bad Axe), but team's can change drastically in a year. I watched their Quiz Central episode last week and they seem strong but very beatable. However, I don't know what their experience with pyramidal questions is like since I don't know what kind of questions the Thumb League runs on. After their performance last year at SSNCT, however, they seem like a team that could easily be shaken by POMMSS's question set up and packet difficulty.
In my side of the bracket, the two biggest threats to Fulton the way I percieve it are Bad Axe and Hackett Catholic (the team that eliminated us last year). Saying that, I think it will be one of those three teams in the semifinal match Saturday. On your side of the bracket Devin, I'm predicting either Sacred Heart Academy, Manistee Catholic Central, or a dark horse rising from White Cloud in Saturday's semifinal match.
dhumphreys17 wrote:I can inform you (read: we didn't sign any non-disclosure agreement, but spoiler alert) that we beat Boyne City on Quiz Central for the Grand Championship, and they beat both Flushing and Bad Axe. I feel like Manistee Catholic Central is the biggest threat on our side of the bracket (we beat Brethren earlier this year 435-85, and although I don't know much about Peck, I think we'll be able to beat them), and that if we can win that game, we'll be in at least the top 3. Hackett Catholic is quite the dark horse to me. Refresh my memory: how did they play last year? At any rate, I feel like the annual Sacred Heart-Fulton matchup that hasn't happened this year yet is due to happen at States, and I hope it does.
LaurenJernstadt wrote:Devin, it also might be good to note that we are more than likely the only two people in the Class C/D Division that know about POMMSS, it's relative difficulty, and it's question distribution. Because of this, I'm pushing my coach to use BHSAT, Harvard Fall Tournament, and Michigan State Tournament 2014 questions (back when they were pyramidal) at practice to help prepare our team for the relative difficulty of the POMMSS packets, and we are using the packet distribution to capitalize on weak spots where we could score major points. For example, our team's strong point, geography, is limited to a 1/1 distribution in POMMSS, and there are no computational math problems in the State Packets (welp!). Because of this, we are focusing more of our energy into larger categories such as the Fine Arts where there are more points to be earned.
Since other teams are more than likely unfamiliar with the difficulty and distribution, what is the likelihood they will be prepared to take on teams who are studying to the difficulty and distribution?
LaurenJernstadt wrote:Devin, are there any other dark horses in our bracket? Sometimes, teams get overlooked; then they are the ones who pack a punch. Its like last year how Bad Axe, who I believe lost in their second round of tournament action to UAIS, battled their way through the Loser's bracket all the way to the Championships. You wouldn't think that a team who loses early Friday could get that far. What teams do you think could pull major upsets or even be one who seems weak but will knock you down as soon as they get the chance to pounce?
dhumphreys17 wrote:I think of two dark horses: White Cloud and Sandusky. I think of White Cloud because of what I know about them. I actually watched QuizBusters between White Cloud and Fulton earlier today, and found that although you guys beat them by over 200 points, it was because you pulled ahead at the end of a very contentious game. Cameron Karnes is quick on the buzzer for geography he knows; same with Sariena Maka at lit. Long story short: I know White Cloud, and they could pull something. I think of Sandusky because of what I don't know about them. Sandusky gave us a run for our money last year before we pulled out ahead, again, by a much wider margin than what would make one think the game was ever close. Depending on who they graduated, they could make a deep tournament run.
Obviously there are others, but these two particularly come to mind.
LaurenJernstadt wrote:dhumphreys17 wrote:I think of two dark horses: White Cloud and Sandusky. I think of White Cloud because of what I know about them. I actually watched QuizBusters between White Cloud and Fulton earlier today, and found that although you guys beat them by over 200 points, it was because you pulled ahead at the end of a very contentious game. Cameron Karnes is quick on the buzzer for geography he knows; same with Sariena Maka at lit. Long story short: I know White Cloud, and they could pull something. I think of Sandusky because of what I don't know about them. Sandusky gave us a run for our money last year before we pulled out ahead, again, by a much wider margin than what would make one think the game was ever close. Depending on who they graduated, they could make a deep tournament run.
Obviously there are others, but these two particularly come to mind.
I can agree with you on both of them. We actually recently lost a match to White Cloud by fifty points due to very silly errors made on Fulton's side. We were ahead at the half, but they pulled away. We defienelty could have and should have won that match. As with Sanduskey, I know one of their strongest players is back this year. We almost beat them last year, but I was mislead on a question about Animal Farm right at the very end (hence why I thank MSU Academic Competition Club for writing the packet this year). I think this year, we could definetely beat them.
Any dark horse rising from Saugatuck? They beat White Cloud last year, and the only reason they made an early tournament exit was a double whammy of Manistee CC and Bad Axe (both eventual Top Three Teams). Could the story have been different if they didn't take on both of those teams? I haven't found much on stats and individual reports for Saugatuck, and I perosnally have never seen them play, but what I don't know instantly makes that team dangerous to me, and they are on my side of the bracket.
Also, what about Roscommon? Fulton won in overtime against them last year (thank the lord for Copland's Appalacian Spring), but I believe I have read that their best player is also back this year. I haven't seen their Quiz Central game, and I don't get Channel 14 on my DVR so I can't record them for a later watch date. How much of a threat are they?
Progcon wrote:The MSU Honors College is debating whether or not they will be hiring our club again to write the questions. They may return to non-pyramidal questions again. If you could, please email the Honors College and tell them that only pyramidal questions are acceptable in the future. Our club will not help out with the tournament if it is run on Academic Hallmarks or Questions Unlimited questions.
Progcon wrote:The MSU Honors College is debating whether or not they will be hiring our club again to write the questions. They may return to non-pyramidal questions again. If you could, please email the Honors College and tell them that only pyramidal questions are acceptable in the future. Our club will not help out with the tournament if it is run on Academic Hallmarks or Questions Unlimited questions.
tksaleija wrote:Progcon wrote:The MSU Honors College is debating whether or not they will be hiring our club again to write the questions. They may return to non-pyramidal questions again. If you could, please email the Honors College and tell them that only pyramidal questions are acceptable in the future. Our club will not help out with the tournament if it is run on Academic Hallmarks or Questions Unlimited questions.
Ew, any updates on this? I don't understand why they would switch to low-qual.
Progcon wrote:Edit: As Roxanne mentioned, we created The Michigan Quizbowl Alliance to help connect teams. It is a great resource that we hope Michigan teams use.
Progcon wrote:
If any Michigan team wants a copy of the set exactly as it was read on Friday or Saturday, send msucbowl@gmail.com an email and I will give you a zip file with all the PDFs. Feel free to give me feedback via PM, email, or the discussion group.
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