nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote:Depending on how many teams sign up, there will be either two or three levels of rebracketing in the afternoon (meaning either that teams ranked 1, 2, and 3 in their division in the morning will advance to the top bracket in the afternoon while teams ranked 4-6 would play in the lower bracket. Alternatively, just teams ranked 1 and 2 in their morning division would qualify for the top bracket, in which case there would then be an afternoon middle bracket for teams ranked 3 and 4 in the morning, and an afternoon lower bracket for teams ranked 5 and 6 in the morning as well).
salmon of wisdom wrote:nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote:Depending on how many teams sign up, there will be either two or three levels of rebracketing in the afternoon (meaning either that teams ranked 1, 2, and 3 in their division in the morning will advance to the top bracket in the afternoon while teams ranked 4-6 would play in the lower bracket. Alternatively, just teams ranked 1 and 2 in their morning division would qualify for the top bracket, in which case there would then be an afternoon middle bracket for teams ranked 3 and 4 in the morning, and an afternoon lower bracket for teams ranked 5 and 6 in the morning as well).
Due to the amount of teams probably coming to this nationals, I think it would be unfeasible to have two or three re-brackets. Re-bracketing a tournament once with 200 teams would be very hard and to do this two or three teams would be inviting disaster to strike. If a problem were to occur during one of the many re brackets this tournament could run ridiculously late. Also, will there be time for dinner if you make the playoffs?
jonpin wrote:salmon of wisdom wrote:nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote:Depending on how many teams sign up, there will be either two or three levels of rebracketing in the afternoon (meaning either that teams ranked 1, 2, and 3 in their division in the morning will advance to the top bracket in the afternoon while teams ranked 4-6 would play in the lower bracket. Alternatively, just teams ranked 1 and 2 in their morning division would qualify for the top bracket, in which case there would then be an afternoon middle bracket for teams ranked 3 and 4 in the morning, and an afternoon lower bracket for teams ranked 5 and 6 in the morning as well).
Due to the amount of teams probably coming to this nationals, I think it would be unfeasible to have two or three re-brackets. Re-bracketing a tournament once with 200 teams would be very hard and to do this two or three teams would be inviting disaster to strike. If a problem were to occur during one of the many re brackets this tournament could run ridiculously late. Also, will there be time for dinner if you make the playoffs?
The way I'm reading this paragraph is not that there will be 2-3 pauses for rebracketing, but 2-3 tiers of brackets. So much as PACE 2010 had four levels of playoff brackets (each with two divisions of eight), this would have 2-3 levels of afternoon brackets (each with X divisions of six).
My concern about the structure, besides the oft-repeated "biting off more than anyone could chew" problem, is this: The goal is roughly 200 teams, so I'll estimate 120 varsity and 80 JV. Of the 120 varsity teams, the top third make the top tier for the afternoon which is 40. And now from those 40, 32 make the playoff stage. Similarly, JV would use the afternoon to weed ~25 into 16. Am I misreading that? I think I'd recommend that both varsity and JV use half as many teams in the third stage, allowing the top two teams from each third-stage pool to advance to the knockout stage. So a potential schematic would be
120 varsity
Morning: 20 groups of 6
Afternoon: 3 tiers with roughly 7/7/6 divisions of 6
Evening: 4 pools of 4
Knockout: 8 teams
72 varsity
Morning: 12 groups of 6
Afternoon: 3 tiers with 4/4/4 divisions of 6
Evening: 2 pools of 4
Knockout: 4 teams
This reduces the odds that a tiebreaker will eliminate a team after the evening stage.
nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote:We will likely need to push Riviera Bowl back to the first Saturday in June, as 5/19 is smack in the middle of IB testing, which, Nolwenn tells me, something like 90% of the schools she's contacted in Europe have their students do. This will be confirmed asap.
nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote:I'm going to have a comprehensive look at our staff situation on Monday.
MattNC wrote:Is there a list of players registered for the bee(s) anywhere (Sports/Entertainment/History Bees that is)?
NHBB rules wrote:If the teams are tied, the last team to answer a tossup correctly will go first.
Prof.Whoopie wrote:nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote:I'm going to have a comprehensive look at our staff situation on Monday.
What were the results of this analysis? Your last few posts have all included "staffers still very much needed." A tournament with no field cap inevitably runs into these sorts of issues. What are your plans if these staffers don't materialize?
Christ, I Know wrote:Yeah, Hunter won 330-190 over Bellarmine (Ankit/Sameer), and in JV, Northmont won 210-200 against Chattahoochee.
I Min Alsklings Tradgard wrote:You know, maybe telling people beforehand that the Bee wouldn't include the modern American history round would have been a good idea.
nadph wrote:Rumor is that Alex Frey of St. Joseph's won the Varsity Bee and Sameer Rai of Bellarmine won JV.
Down and out in Quintana Roo wrote:A public and frank discussion needs to be had about the logistics of this tournament, if it's going to be more successful next year. I will defer to someone who had even more knowledge of what happened and why it happened, but i was there for most of the craziness on Saturday at the hotel so i can surely speak from that angle.
thejeopardyfan wrote:Curious - What time did the Bee end on Sunday? Also, does anyone know if any Bowl or Bee players are appearing on the Jeopardy! Teen Tournament this week? Thanks.
thejeopardyfan wrote:Curious - What time did the Bee end on Sunday? Also, does anyone know if any Bowl or Bee players are appearing on the Jeopardy! Teen Tournament this week? Thanks.
Northern Central Railway wrote:Some of the transportation issues to and from the DC sites was because the metro directions given to teams were for if the metro was running on a regular schedule, while in reality the metro was on a weekend schedule. What the directions said should have been a 25 minute trip to my site ended up being 45 minutes for one of the teams.
For my site, the afternoon was somewhat of a trainwreck. Shortly after my morning rounds, I called HQ to ask how I was supposed to get my afternoon schedule. I was told "I'll call you back about that"; I went ahead and made my own schedule. At 12:45, when the afternoon rounds were supposed to start, it was me, the other two moderators, and one team, sitting in a room waiting for everyone else to show up. By a little after one, I had two more teams, but neither of them were sure they were at the right place. I called HQ to try and find out if these two teams were supposed to be at my site. One of them got confirmed, but not the other for the reason that someone's handwriting was illegible. At 1:15 I called HQ again, and was told the three teams at my site were definitely supposed to be there, and a 4th was on the way after they had gone to the wrong site first. They arrived at 1:25, along with another team - this made 5. At 1:45 I called HQ to tell them I was going to start without the sixth team because the teams there were getting restless. On this phone call I was informed that I was never supposed to have a sixth team.
I was a runner for the Bee. There weren't many issues with students running late in my rooms, although some rooms got started late because they waited for everyone.
The buzzer situation at the end was ridiculous.
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