Cheynem wrote:I don't usually like to do neg prizes in high school. One reason is that while in college, I think for the most part, neg prizes go to very good players who happen to be playing aggressively (and this is true in high school most of the time), at a lot of high school tournaments I've run, there are always players near the bottom of the scoring leaders who have racked up a lot of negs without actually scoring a lot. I'm not sure if any of them have ever won a neg title at tournaments I've run, but I would be very uncomfortable giving them a "neg prize" if they did.
On a side note, at the Connecticut invitational, a younger player from Hanover was actually a little worried about getting the neg prize
yeah this is important and ultimately the message im trying to send.Know your field, I guess.
jessbowen wrote:Since the is in the Newbie forum and I am indeed a newbie, I'd like to add that I love the idea that a neg prize is good because it encourages players to be more aggressive. I think my players are often afraid of being wrong and are hesitant to buzz in until they are certain. I've tried to encourage them to be more agressive by stopping reading practice questions early and forcing them to make a guess, even if it's outlandish. I think they learned that they know more than they give themselves credit for. Perhaps I will add a neg prize to our practice sessions. I have a box of random stuff known as the "crappy prize box" that kids love to go to!
It's one thing if it's a player that actually tries to get questions. It's another when you try to be like this kid
whitesoxfan wrote:Solution to the "problem" of players intentionally going for neg prizes: Disqualify players who were not attempting to play their best.
Kyle wrote:On the plus side, a tournament that has awarded a neg prize will post stats promptly because they will have entered the stats in order to determine who netted most. Maybe we should encourage Princeton to give one.
Matt Weiner wrote:The reason all tournaments I'm involved with stopped awarding prizes for the most or funniest negs is because an appreciable percentage of teams and players started intentionally getting questions wrong as soon as they were eliminated from championship contention in an attempt to win the awards. Should neg prizes become A Thing again, this problem may recur. For this reason above all the many other good ones, I strongly oppose any sort of neg recognition.
RyuAqua wrote:I'll note just so it's explicit for everyone: the current split of for to against in this thread has virtually every experienced editor or TD in the thread in either the "against" column or at least the "probably not for high school" column. Feel free to throw me in the against column as well, for the reasons that Charlie, Auroni, and Mattw already stated. Listen to them.
RyuAqua wrote:I'll note just so it's explicit for everyone: the current split of for to against in this thread has virtually every experienced editor or TD in the thread in either the "against" column or at least the "probably not for high school" column. Feel free to throw me in the against column as well, for the reasons that Charlie, Auroni, and Mattw already stated. Listen to them.
Sun Devil Student wrote:This is a very interesting phenomenon. As it happens, ASU Quizbowl has routinely given neg prizes for the past two years, continuing because the response from the high school community has been overwhelmingly positive, with the exception of one player who did indeed take it too seriously (very early in our hosting history)...Whether this is a function of the newness of our circuit or our informal setting, the fact that no one in Arizona is yet serious enough about the game to truly contend for a national title, or simply good luck that all our high school coaches have been superb in teaching sportsmanship to their teams, or a combination of all of these, I don't know.
Tale of Mac Datho's Pachycephalosaur wrote:That said, I may very well choose to award a "buzz of the tournament" prize.
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