Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby the return of AHAN » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:00 pm

Well, I didn't mean to upset the apple cart or make things a hassle for you. But I also don't want people to think we're just out for more trophies after winning the New Trier standard and Turnabout over a 3 week stretch... I mean, our A team could very well be dead last in this "Uber" field, but they need to step up and take their shot.
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby Colby Burnett » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:27 am

Okay. I'd like to bring my C team to this. Thanks for being understanding to everyone, Matt.
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby mlaird » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:30 pm

As of this moment, Loyola will not be cancelling any activities on Saturday. I am told that nothing will be cancelled unless a water main breaks or the power goes out. The weather reports show that snow should be stopping around midnight tonight. Things will be cleaned up around here well before our tournament starts, but teams should still make every effort to leave early. The building will be open as early as 7am, so do not worry about not having anywhere to go if you do end up having no traffic. Please let me know ASAP via email or cell phone if your school/team decides to drop out or will be late due to weather concerns.

Brackets as they stand now:

Uber-Competitive (12):
Barrington A, Belvidere North A, Carbondale A, Culver A, DCC A, IMSA A, IMSA B, Loyola A, New Trier, Latin, Wheaton Warrenville South A, Zerg Rush

Standard (24):
Barrington B, Belvidere North B, Brother Rice A, Brother Rice B, Carbondale B, Chicago Christian, Culver B, Culver C, Fenton, Fenwick A, Fenwick B, Fenwick C, IMSA C, Loyola Diamond, Loyola Pearl, Loyola Platinum, Maine South A, Maine South B, St. Viator A, St. Viator B, Wauconda A, Wauconda B, Wheaton Warrenville South B, Whitney Young
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby MorganV » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:04 pm

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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby mlaird » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:03 pm

Brother Rice A and B just dropped from the field due to snow concerns. 22 in Standard right now. We will form 2 scab teams. If anyone else drops, we will adjust the entirety of the schedule. If anyone from Uber drops, we will move Loyola B up, and have 1 or two Loyola teams in Standard, depending on what is needed.
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby mlaird » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:43 pm

In Uber, after the round robin, IMSA A emerged 1 win ahead of both DCC and Carbondale. DCC and Carbondale played a game which was won by DCC to play IMSA in a disadvantaged final. The first game of that is going on right now.

In Standard, Wauconda cleared the field while Carbondale B defeated Fenton in a final to get 2nd place.

Stats for both will be up soon, but might be delayed due to the trash tournament.
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby mlaird » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:54 pm

IMSA won the first game of the advantaged final 450-345 to claim 1st place over DCC. Congratulations to both teams.

EDIT: Stats: http://hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/152
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby christino » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:16 pm

Were copies of the set given to teams in attendance at this tournament?
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby the return of AHAN » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:25 pm

Where do I direct concerns about a question issue? I don't mean the occasional typo, I'm talk about a clue being used in a bonus lead-in, and then as an answer line on part 2 of the same bonus...

@Ben, as far as I know, no teams were handed packets, but I was just a staffer and not the TD.
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby Mewto55555 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:29 pm

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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby The Man Whose Pharynx Was Bad » Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:46 pm

on the stats Carbondale is listed as having 12.5 PPB against culver. their tossup count + culver's is too high. Upon further inspection, michael steele apparently has identical tossup stats to ben chametzky that round.

also Rob McClellan (NT) only played for 5 rounds and did not play against imsa A, carbondale A or DCC A.
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby abnormal abdomen » Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:50 pm

Wow, every team in the upper division except one broke 20 PPB. And Barrington came very close.
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby Charles Martel » Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:56 pm

The stats contain 14 instances of a team having a number of bonus points that is not a multiple of ten.

EDIT: Typo
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby Dr. Loki Skylizard, Thoracic Surgeon » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:05 am

That's a really minor statistical thing, which is barely worth the time to fix it. Example: the Zerg Rush team is listed as having scored 2250 bonus points on 91 bonuses. Two of their rounds have a number of bonus points ending in 5. Assuming those are the only possible sources of error, the likely reality is that their real number of bonus points is in the range of 2240 to 2260. This, in turn, translates to a possible ppb range of 24.615 to 24.835. Those differences hardly seem pursuing after the tournament's completed unless there was a tiebreaker depending on ppb*. If you're worried about my rankings, rest assured that the real impact of any such issues resulting from this are minimal at best.

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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby Charles Martel » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:16 am

The only notable ones to fix that I see are:
1. Dylan states that Carbondale failed to get an Andrew Hart grail against him. Don't know what's the problem.
2. I doubt Barrington had a 7.14 PPB against New Trier. Their only match with lower than 18 PPB was 13.33 on 3 tossups, a low sample size. No idea what's up here.
3. I doubt Carbondale had 12.50 PPB against Culver. (Michael Steele 4/1/1 is probably what caused the problem)
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby the charm » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:22 am

Yeah it looks like the stats stay there were only 19 tossups answered in our game with Carbondale but I'm almost sure nothing went dead, meaning one of their tossups was counted as a bonus part.
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby Edward Elric » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:32 pm

I want to thank Loyola and Matt Laird for running a great tournament. It was a lot of fun to read for.

In regards to the set I would like to say that besides one or two typographical errors and some repeats and randomization issues, this set was very well written. I would say that this set is close to the difficulty level of GSAC this year and easier than "Normal Difficulty." Looking at the stats for U.C. I believe this set may not have been challenging enough for an extremely stacked field (where if the Barrington stat error is really an error every team broke 20 PPB). In regards to the standard division, I thought the set was perfect for the field as 22 of 24 teams broke 10 PPB (with 1 of the 2 being a scab team formed after a late cancellation).

Overall, I want to congratulate Max Schindler and Ladue for a well-written set. Congrats to IMSA and Wauconda for winning the U.C. and Standard Divisions, respectively.
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby DrCongo » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:00 pm

We had a great time at this tournament, despite the torturous drive from Detroit through the snow. We're glad we got out to see a lot of great Illinois teams again and we're glad that we got to play so many rounds of quiz bowl. Congrats to IMSA on the win, they're the most impressive team we've played so far this year!
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby David Riley » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:19 pm

Bobby, as always it was fun to read for you guys and so many other competitive teams. I'd also like to thank Matt for running a great tournament. Congrats to IMSA for their well-deserved win!
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby Wackford Squeers » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:16 am

My notes for the match against Dylan have us 20ing bonus fifteen and 10ing bonus sixteen.
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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby mlaird » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:49 pm

Sorry for the statistical errors. In all likelihood, they are my errors. I was the lone man in tournament central all day running two tournaments simultaneously and inputting the stats for them. Hopefully next year we will have less snow and a better staffing situation.

Speaking of which, I would like to sincerely thank all of the staff I had on Saturday, especially the coaches who graciously left their teams and read for the tournament. Thanks to: Nick Bergeon, Brad Fischer, Danielle Long, Jonah Greenthal, David Riley, Mike Perovanovic, Tom Egan, Mike Laudermith, Jim Stankevitz, John Basque, Noah Prince, Greg Peterson, Jason Jones, Ali Nagib, Phil Blessman and Lauren Coil-Sherck, Colby Burnett, Neva O'Laughlin, and Jeff Price. Special thanks to Rob Baker for assisting David Riley all day, and sorry to the Barrington team for making you stay in one room for eleven rounds. That was my fault for just throwing the Uber Division into an automated round robin generator.

All stats are now up, as wrong as they are. If you have corrections, please tell me what round number they took place in, and how exactly they should be changed.

Uber-Competitive Division
Standard Division Morning
Standard Division Afternoon
Standard Division Combined

The Sir Dupre Memorial Pop Culture Tournament afterwards raised $300 for Matt's Buzzers. Thanks to Donald Taylor for organizing this event, even if he couldn't be there to run it. Nolan Winkler and Sabrina Lato did an excellent job running things, and Brad Fischer and Greg Peterson did an excellent job setting up the round robin. Thanks also to Ryan Fedewa, who came out to read, even though his team was not at Ultima proper; thanks to the girls from Wauconda for reading; and the the remaining IMSA people for their moderating and staffing skills. Stats can be found here:

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Re: Loyola Ultima (Wilmette, IL) - 1/21/12

Postby Goliath Cockatoo » Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:53 pm

I have myself with nine (I'm marked as having seven) tossups over the whole afternoon. The error was that I had three tossups (these 3 were also all powers) for round 8, but was only counted for 1.
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