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Spring 2012 schedule discussion

Postby theMoMA » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:12 pm

1/7:
1/14: (MLK weekend) BARGE (Yale, Mizzou [1/15])
1/21: [NAQT CC SCT] BARGE (Buffalo, Houston, Illinois, Bellarmine)
1/28: Penn Bowl (Penn, Buffalo, Washington), BARGE (Georgia)

2/4: NAQT SCT
2/11: Penn Bowl (Northwestern)
2/18: ACF Regionals
2/25: [NAQT CCCT]

3/3: Peaceful Resolution (Chicago, Harvard)
3/10:
3/17: MUT (Waterloo, Tulane)
3/24:
3/31: NAQT ICT, National History Bowl

4/7: Easter
4/14: MUT (Minnesota)
4/21: ACF Nationals
4/28:

5/5
5/12
5/19
5/26
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby theMoMA » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:14 pm

Spring events:

Scheduled

ACF Regionals
SCT
ICT
Peaceful Resolution
MUT
BARGE
Penn Bowl
ACF Nationals

Still free-floating

MUT sites

May or may not exist

Illinois Open
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby bird bird bird bird bird » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:16 pm

Worth adding the (probable date) clause to ICT as well.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Tees-Exe Line » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:21 pm

I'll repeat what I said before about Chicago's tournament: we'd like to hold it at Chicago on March 3rd, with mirrors that date or later in March depending on Spring breaks.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby bird bird bird bird bird » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:35 pm

ICT will be March 31st. Full details in a separate announcement soon.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Gautam » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:56 am

I don't think I can get the Wisconsin tournament together... so for now it won't happen. If somebody wants to do a post nationals tournament, feel free to claim that.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby The Quest for the Historical Mukherjesus » Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:52 pm

Penn Bowl will happen. I will appeal to the community to decide the best day.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Matthew Jackson » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:45 pm

The Quest for the Historical Mukherjesus wrote:Penn Bowl will happen. I will appeal to the community to decide the best day.


It looks like there's two-week blocs from 1/21 to 1/28, 3/10 to 3/24, and between ICT and Nats. Though I'd prefer the first spot, you may have to fight it out with Terrapin for that one, and if that doesn't work, either fight it out with IO for the middle-March spot or settle into the inter-National spot.

Regardless of timeframe, I really hope Penn Bowl returns to regular difficulty.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby The Quest for the Historical Mukherjesus » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:56 pm

RyuAqua wrote:Regardless of timeframe, I really hope Penn Bowl returns to regular difficulty.


We'll tone it down from last year.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Papa's in the House » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:58 pm

I would like to claim the last two weekends of January for GAAP (Generally Accepted Academic Principles), a new tournament written by members of the Illinois Academic Buzzer Team. This will be an easier tournament along the lines of MUT and Delta Burke from the past couple of years. This tournament will be available for late mirrors, such as CCs seeking to mirror the tournament on 2/4 because of a potential conflict with the CC SCT on 1/21.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Matthew Jackson » Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:27 pm

GAAP, Penn Bowl, and Terrapin should probably figure out how to properly avoid bumping into one another, especially given that the first half of January is difficult to attend due to nearly-universal winter breaks. With the number of events going up, it seems like some event may have to work its way into the two to four weeks between ICT and ACF Nationals if all of them are determined to go forward.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Papa's in the House » Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:42 pm

RyuAqua wrote:GAAP, Penn Bowl, and Terrapin should probably figure out how to properly avoid bumping into one another, especially given that the first half of January is difficult to attend due to nearly-universal winter breaks. With the number of events going up, it seems like some event may have to work its way into the two to four weeks between ICT and ACF Nationals if all of them are determined to go forward.

I would like to see GAAP occupy the last two weeks of January for a couple of reasons: 1) It's an easier tournament, so people aren't starting by playing regular difficulty right off the bat; and 2) I'd like there to be some distance between GAAP and MUT, since they will likely be around the same difficulty, a difficulty which will be easier than most of the rest of the tournaments during the spring semester.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:32 pm

Who is the editing team for GAAP?

Is Terrapin happening for sure this year?
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Matthew Jackson » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:20 pm

Papa's in the House wrote:I would like to see GAAP occupy the last two weeks of January for a couple of reasons: 1) It's an easier tournament, so people aren't starting by playing regular difficulty right off the bat; and 2) I'd like there to be some distance between GAAP and MUT, since they will likely be around the same difficulty, a difficulty which will be easier than most of the rest of the tournaments during the spring semester.


I understand why you want this spot. You should still ensure that your claim of it is okay with Terrapin and Penn Bowl, who both announced their existence for the upcoming year earlier than GAAP and have previously occupied January spots for years. The reality is that there just isn't enough room for all these tournaments in the spring semester anymore. Regardless, we want to make the schedule work as best it can, so we have to actually talk to each other about the best place for things, and whether an entirely new tournament of uncertain quality ought to displace two tournaments that have existed for decades, for that to happen.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Cheynem » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:27 pm

(I have no idea when MUT will be)

One thing you might consider for GAAP (or MUT, I guess, I'm sort of talking to both people) is to run it as a tournament late in the semester or even in the early summer. I've noticed that novices tend to peter out as the semester goes on--partly because of business, but also because beginning around April, there are no tournaments for them to play. Thus, a number of new players stop coming to practice or being invested in the club because they aren't going to be playing anything until next fall. It might be interesting to see if a post Nats or May tournament would work or be feasible.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Susan » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:41 pm

Cheynem wrote:(I have no idea when MUT will be)

One thing you might consider for GAAP (or MUT, I guess, I'm sort of talking to both people) is to run it as a tournament late in the semester or even in the early summer. I've noticed that novices tend to peter out as the semester goes on--partly because of business, but also because beginning around April, there are no tournaments for them to play. Thus, a number of new players stop coming to practice or being invested in the club because they aren't going to be playing anything until next fall. It might be interesting to see if a post Nats or May tournament would work or be feasible.


This is a good idea. Chicago's very short-lived novice tournament was run in early May and had a decent turnout both years we ran it (Maryland's DSHIT, also a novice tournament, ran in that slot previously), and I think a postseason novice/lower-level event can be a really nice thing for the circuit for the reasons Mike described.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:19 pm

I also agree. At the end of April this year, after both nationals, I ran an MUT mirror that was as well attended as any local tournament could ask for, getting plenty of teams from local staples on the circuit, in addition to appearances from a few teams that were not very active this year (Kansas State, Oklahoma, Missouri Valley). I felt like this set went over very well because our local circuit has a lot of players who are squarely in its audience, but who didn't get the chance to play anything particularly easy after ICT D2 if they even went to that, and who wanted to get one last chance to play something that was more accessible than the usual while also killing a little time to hang out with their team at the end of the year right before finals. That was my read on the vibe at the tournament mostly, and I felt like it was beneficial for keeping novices more involved throughout the year and just generally helped out our circuit, so I would definitely recommend a tournament like GAAP or MUT for the end of the year and see if other circuits are interested in a late season chance for younger players to blow off some steam and have a more fun end to the season.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby theMoMA » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:11 am

College Park Spyders wrote:I also agree. At the end of April this year, after both nationals, I ran an MUT mirror that was as well attended as any local tournament could ask for, getting plenty of teams from local staples on the circuit, in addition to appearances from a few teams that were not very active this year (Kansas State, Oklahoma, Missouri Valley). I felt like this set went over very well because our local circuit has a lot of players who are squarely in its audience, but who didn't get the chance to play anything particularly easy after ICT D2 if they even went to that, and who wanted to get one last chance to play something that was more accessible than the usual while also killing a little time to hang out with their team at the end of the year right before finals. That was my read on the vibe at the tournament mostly, and I felt like it was beneficial for keeping novices more involved throughout the year and just generally helped out our circuit, so I would definitely recommend a tournament like GAAP or MUT for the end of the year and see if other circuits are interested in a late season chance for younger players to blow off some steam and have a more fun end to the season.


I'll join the chorus promoting GAAP later in the semester. In addition to what everyone has already said, the time slots in December, January, and February are usually the best general-interest slots that we have for regular tournaments.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby eliza.grames » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:07 pm

MUT could really go anywhere in March, April, or early May. I like the idea of having it be after both ICT and ACF Nats to give players a reason to keep coming to practices; somewhere in the range of 4/28-5/12.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Matthew Jackson » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:32 am

So, we should actually set a spring schedule which attempts to resolve some of the following questions. Is Penn Bowl happening in January after BARGE or at some other time? Are SCT and Regionals indeed set in stone for February 4th and 18th; if so, is there confirmation from ACF about packet writing for Regionals for that date? Is the Chicago hard tournament still happening? If so, when? Is the rumored MUT/GAAP merger actually occurring? If so, when? Must TIT be moved to the spring? If so, to when? What weekends are we attempting to leave free? Does anyone actually care about setting any of this so that teams can effectively plan out their packet writing, travel plans, and/or high school tournament hosting?
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Cheynem » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:20 am

MUT and GAAP are merging. I'm not sure when it will be run, I imagine this is the type of set that can be run across multiple dates.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Dr. Loki Skylizard, Thoracic Surgeon » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:43 am

MUT the GAAP.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Cheynem » Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:26 pm

If only Jeff Geringer would work on GAAP and so it could be MUT and Jeff.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Tees-Exe Line » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:28 pm

To answer Matt's question, yes the Chicago hard tournament is still happening as scheduled.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:40 am

ugh why
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby AlphaRasmus » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:17 pm

RyuAqua wrote:Is Penn Bowl happening in January after BARGE or at some other time? ... Does anyone actually care about setting any of this so that teams can effectively plan out their packet writing, travel plans, and/or high school tournament hosting?

I'm just going to throw this one out there again. Any word on Penn Bowl yet?
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Masked Canadian History Bandit » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:10 am

AlphaRasmus wrote:
RyuAqua wrote:Is Penn Bowl happening in January after BARGE or at some other time? ... Does anyone actually care about setting any of this so that teams can effectively plan out their packet writing, travel plans, and/or high school tournament hosting?

I'm just going to throw this one out there again. Any word on Penn Bowl yet?


I think Eric once mentioned that he planned to have it done for January (we've started writing stuff). No clue on specifics though.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Charbroil » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:27 am

Monocle wrote:
AlphaRasmus wrote:
RyuAqua wrote:Is Penn Bowl happening in January after BARGE or at some other time? ... Does anyone actually care about setting any of this so that teams can effectively plan out their packet writing, travel plans, and/or high school tournament hosting?

I'm just going to throw this one out there again. Any word on Penn Bowl yet?


I think Eric once mentioned that he planned to have it done for January (we've started writing stuff). No clue on specifics though.


Are you not going to be asking for packets?
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby Masked Canadian History Bandit » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:44 am

Charbroil wrote:
Monocle wrote:
AlphaRasmus wrote:
RyuAqua wrote:Is Penn Bowl happening in January after BARGE or at some other time? ... Does anyone actually care about setting any of this so that teams can effectively plan out their packet writing, travel plans, and/or high school tournament hosting?

I'm just going to throw this one out there again. Any word on Penn Bowl yet?


I think Eric once mentioned that he planned to have it done for January (we've started writing stuff). No clue on specifics though.


Are you not going to be asking for packets?


I'm pretty sure we will be. I'm not the one to ask though, so don't quote me on it. All I know is that it's supposed to happen and at least some editors packets are being written.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby eliza.grames » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:34 pm

MUT has finally been set for 4.14 unless there is an outcry.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby theMoMA » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:34 am

I went through and updated the first and second posts. Please let me know if I missed anything.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby nadph » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:48 pm

Quick correction: Bellarmine's BARGE mirror is on the 21st, not the 14th.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby bird bird bird bird bird » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:13 pm

Fixed.
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Re: Spring schedule discussion

Postby NickConderWKU » Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:42 pm

Is TIT still happening the first weekend of May? Or at least something that weekend?
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