Masonic Sectionals 2/21
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Masonic Sectionals 2/21
The bracket at New Trier:
Stevenson vs Bye
Fenton vs Maine South
Fenwick vs Schaumburg
Fremd vs Whitney Young
New Trier vs Hubbard
Saint Ignatius vs Riverside Brookfield
Saint Viator vs Trinity
Palatine vs Leyden
Stevenson vs Bye
Fenton vs Maine South
Fenwick vs Schaumburg
Fremd vs Whitney Young
New Trier vs Hubbard
Saint Ignatius vs Riverside Brookfield
Saint Viator vs Trinity
Palatine vs Leyden
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So David, will your team be ready for a Saint Viator Semifinal Showdown?Shcool wrote:The bracket at New Trier:
Stevenson vs Bye
Fenton vs Maine South
Fenwick vs Schaumburg
Fremd vs Whitney Young
New Trier vs Hubbard
Saint Ignatius vs Riverside Brookfield
Saint Viator vs Trinity
Palatine vs Leyden
Yeah, these are done by random draw, aren't they?
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I don't think so... they look pretty calculated to me. With maybe the exception of Stevenson getting the bye and not NT.
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How many games are guaranteed for this?
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It's a double elimination, so two, unless there is some clause I'm not aware of.
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Two is correct. In terms of maximum number of games, the champion will go 4-0, unless it's Stevenson who would go 3-0 with a bye. The two teams in the consolation championship actually end up playing 5 games total.BGSO wrote:It's a double elimination, so two, unless there is some clause I'm not aware of.
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The brackets are drawn up by Dale Thayer, who runs the tournament statewide. I am not sure how much information he has access to, but he does try to seed the teams at the Sectional level to allow for the top teams to play each other in the Semis and Final. At State, he does the opposite to make sure that their award money is spread out across the state and schools of different sizes.
The regional sites are located as follows:
Regional #01 at Lena/ Regional #09 at Eureka
Regional #02 at Rockford/ Regional #10 at Petersburg
Regional #03 at Winnetka/ Regional #11 at Springfield
Regional #04 at Morrison/ Regional #12 at Decatur
Regional #05 at Wheaton/ Regional #13 at Danville
Regional #06 at Moline/ Regional #14 at Greenville
Regional #07 at Seneca/ Regional #15 at Effingham
Regional #08 at Chillicothe/ Regional #16 at Carbondale
When the 16 Regional Champions advance to the State Tournament, the pairings will be as shown below:
Upper half of the bracket/ Lower half of the bracket
Reg. #02 vs Reg. #07/ Reg. #09 vs Reg. #11
Reg. #03 vs Reg. #05/ Reg. #14 vs Reg. #16
Reg. #01 vs Reg. #04/ Reg. #10 vs Reg. #12
Reg. #06 vs Reg. #08/ Reg. #13 vs Reg. #15
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1. New Trier
2. Stevenson
3. Saint Viator
4. Schaumburg
Consolation: Maine South
Our match against Viator was very close and could have easily gone either way.
2. Stevenson
3. Saint Viator
4. Schaumburg
Consolation: Maine South
Our match against Viator was very close and could have easily gone either way.
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Schaumburg? We haven't played them this year, but I can tell you that they are not better the Maine South, was MS's side harder than Schaumburg?
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Re: Masonic Sectionals 2/21
MS hit Stevenson in Round 2. That said, MS gets more cash than Schaumburg.
Auburn Sectional results:
1. Auburn
2. Lake Zurich
3. Hononegah
4. Antioch
Cons: Boylan
Auburn Sectional results:
1. Auburn
2. Lake Zurich
3. Hononegah
4. Antioch
Cons: Boylan
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Re: Masonic Sectionals 2/21
How were the questions?
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1. WW-S
2. IMSA
3. Latin
4. Geneva
Consolation: ????? (maybe NN)
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1. WW-S
2. IMSA
3. Latin
4. Geneva
Consolation: ????? (maybe NN)
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Re: Masonic Sectionals 2/21
I will say this: after a few weeks of using a different format, these matches felt like they took forever. Using only 20 questions, AND having an entire round eliminated because of no-shows, we played only five rounds between 9am and 2 pm.
With only 11 teams, the first round of the consolation bracket was eliminated, leaving the first round, quarters, rat-tailed consolation quarters, semis, and finals.
With only 11 teams, the first round of the consolation bracket was eliminated, leaving the first round, quarters, rat-tailed consolation quarters, semis, and finals.
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This is pretty much exactly what happened at Auburn. I am all of a sudden dreading Regionals.Tegan wrote:I will say this: after a few weeks of using a different format, these matches felt like they took forever. Using only 20 questions, AND having an entire round eliminated because of no-shows, we played only five rounds between 9am and 2 pm.
With only 11 teams, the first round of the consolation bracket was eliminated, leaving the first round, quarters, rat-tailed consolation quarters, semis, and finals.
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All results are up.
As far as the timing was concerned, these rounds took about 45-50 minutes each with good moderators. If you're going to State, bring something to read, since they only have four rooms going at a time and some of the moderators may have trouble keeping things to 50 minutes per match.
Brad's right about IHSA Regionals--make the matches 50% longer and put them on a week night, and that's a long 3-4 rounds.
As far as the timing was concerned, these rounds took about 45-50 minutes each with good moderators. If you're going to State, bring something to read, since they only have four rooms going at a time and some of the moderators may have trouble keeping things to 50 minutes per match.
Brad's right about IHSA Regionals--make the matches 50% longer and put them on a week night, and that's a long 3-4 rounds.
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Do just the Regional Champions qualify for Masonic states?
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Yes. Those 16 teams should now be qualified for PACE. They will go against each other in one week in Chatham.
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Round 1 matches at State in bracket order:
Auburn vs St Bede
New Trier vs WWS
Winnebago vs Riverdale
Quincy vs Peoria Christian
Normal U High vs Springfield
Belleville West vs Carbondale
New Berlin vs Warrensburg-Latham
St Joseph-Ogden vs Farina South Central
Auburn vs St Bede
New Trier vs WWS
Winnebago vs Riverdale
Quincy vs Peoria Christian
Normal U High vs Springfield
Belleville West vs Carbondale
New Berlin vs Warrensburg-Latham
St Joseph-Ogden vs Farina South Central
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How is that possible? I had no idea Illinois format was that inefficient.As far as the timing was concerned, these rounds took about 45-50 minutes each with good moderators.
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30 second conferral four part block bonuses really take up a lot of time.
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Re: Masonic Sectionals 2/21
I think you just came up with another reason that ACF format bonuses would work better-you would actually have more time to confer, as you would be given the same amount of time(30 seconds total) to answer fewer parts.30 second conferral four part block bonuses really take up a lot of time.
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So WWS and New Trier are playing in the first round. It seems like both teams deserve a little bit nicer of a first match then that
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You would say that Mark.mark vigil wrote:So WWS and New Trier are playing in the first round. It seems like both teams deserve a little bit nicer of a first match then that
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that bracket is very similar to last years. I believe we played NT in the second round after they had to beat WN and we played Carbondale for the final. Seems like he's sticking with the handicap the big schools scheme?
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This being the first real IHSA tournament I've read this year, I also dreaded anytime a tossup went dead, because, my god, 10 seconds is an eternity to wait for no one to buzz in. Luckily, teams I read for rarely let things go dead.Anti-Climacus wrote:How is that possible? I had no idea Illinois format was that inefficient.As far as the timing was concerned, these rounds took about 45-50 minutes each with good moderators.
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mark vigil wrote:So WWS and New Trier are playing in the first round. It seems like both teams deserve a little bit nicer of a first match then that
Not that you are wrong to wonder/complain, but every year someone makes the "why do all the southern/central teams get a cakewalk to the finals" argument and every year they get the same response: This tournament isn't designed to determine the best team--it's designed to give schools with less budget and less exposure some money.Irving Alva Edison Hobophone Inventor wrote:that bracket is very similar to last years. I believe we played NT in the second round after they had to beat WN and we played Carbondale for the final. Seems like he's sticking with the handicap the big schools scheme?
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As was explained to me (and I have no idea if this is the absolute truth or not), there were some pretty upset people when New Trier and Maine South made it to the finals three years ago, and that there was an attempt to make suer that this would not happen again.
While my team was in need of that money, I would prefer that they give the money to another team and let the better teams fight it out.
While my team was in need of that money, I would prefer that they give the money to another team and let the better teams fight it out.
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I think we have a word for that...JackGlerum wrote:This tournament isn't designed to determine the best team
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I think that for the Masons, the ideal situation would be one in which the best team did in fact win but the other money-earning places went to less strong programs. It is designed to determine the best team; it isn't designed to make any sort of meaningful ranking of the other teams, which is where the NSC steals my heart.JackGlerum wrote:This tournament isn't designed to determine the best team--it's designed to give schools with less budget and less exposure some money.
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Re: Masonic Sectionals 2/21
Siva, except for the money, and I'm not sure you are aware of this, you have quoted almost verbatim the IHSA philosophy on its state tournaments.Siverus Snape wrote:I think that for the Masons, the ideal situation would be one in which the best team did in fact win but the other money-earning places went to less strong programs. It is designed to determine the best team; it isn't designed to make any sort of meaningful ranking of the other teams, which is where the NSC steals my heart.JackGlerum wrote:This tournament isn't designed to determine the best team--it's designed to give schools with less budget and less exposure some money.
On a side note, I thought because of the geographic advancement, and intentionally bracketing most of the good teams together, that PACE had stopped using Masonics as an automatic qualifier? I mean of the 16 state qualifiers, I would say no more than 4 are teams that would have any prospect of a good (not strong, but good) showing at any national tournament.
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The official IHSA format is 30/30 (or at least used to be... I think?!) so that goes part of the way toward explaining what takes so long.Anti-Climacus wrote:I think you just came up with another reason that ACF format bonuses would work better-you would actually have more time to confer, as you would be given the same amount of time(30 seconds total) to answer fewer parts.30 second conferral four part block bonuses really take up a lot of time.
Bear in mind that what's on the table now isn't to reduce the total conferring time, so I don't expect a shift to part-by-part rebounding to make things go much faster, since the slowest rooms are still going to take 30 seconds on every bonus. If anything, things might even go a touch slower, since part-by-part will require multiple prompts rather than just one.
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Re: Masonic Sectionals 2/21
Congratulations to all of the teams that qualified for the Masonic State Tournament at Chatham Glenwood High School. We look forward to hosting returning schools from last year and to all schools newly qualified.
We again are fortunate to have exceptional moderators again this year, David Riley, Matt Laird, Barron Robinson, and Cathy Groesch. All of them are well versed in Masonic and IHSA rules and their expertise is greatly appreciated. The quality of questions I’m sure will be outstanding and the competition will be exciting.
For those who enjoy Scholastic Bowl, this is an excellent chance to watch sixteen teams attempt to win the Masonic Championship and build momentum for the IHSA Regional Tournaments. If you are in the Chatham/Springfield area, please take the opportunity to attend the tournament!
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We again are fortunate to have exceptional moderators again this year, David Riley, Matt Laird, Barron Robinson, and Cathy Groesch. All of them are well versed in Masonic and IHSA rules and their expertise is greatly appreciated. The quality of questions I’m sure will be outstanding and the competition will be exciting.
For those who enjoy Scholastic Bowl, this is an excellent chance to watch sixteen teams attempt to win the Masonic Championship and build momentum for the IHSA Regional Tournaments. If you are in the Chatham/Springfield area, please take the opportunity to attend the tournament!
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Re: Masonic Sectionals 2/21
It still is, though outside of the IHSA State Series and one conference, no one actually uses 30/30 to my knowledge (20/20 is the standard for virtually everyone else, as it was with the Masonic Regionals and State to come).Captain Scipio wrote: The official IHSA format is 30/30 (or at least used to be... I think?!) so that goes part of the way toward explaining what takes so long.
I must very politely disagree. This makes the assumption that a team will take the whole ten seconds on every part of every bonus, or on enough parts that it does not compensate for the extra prompting. Prompting, if done correctly, should add very little time, and would be typically compensated by the time saved on the very easy parts.Captain Scipio wrote:Bear in mind that what's on the table now isn't to reduce the total conferring time, so I don't expect a shift to part-by-part rebounding to make things go much faster, since the slowest rooms are still going to take 30 seconds on every bonus. If anything, things might even go a touch slower, since part-by-part will require multiple prompts rather than just one.
I have read a great many e-mails that have been flying between people opposed to making the change over. A lot of the discussion that is countering this move is the fact that some teams attended a tournament that, based on what I have heard, the moderators (on the whole) read slow, and did not enforce the time limits as they should. In those situations, it will add time.
It takes time to adjust. I remember vividly the first time I read at NAQT. I think I got through 16 questions in the time limit (a horribly low number to get through). When tournaments are read by mods with experience in the format, time will be saved. Now, I can typically get through 21-22 in that format.
As I commented above, the Masonic rounds seemed to me to take an eternity to get through, despite the fact they were the same number of questions as the past two tournaments I have moderated at (and those tournaments had rebounds, and required prompting). 20/20 in the other format was about 30 minutes. 20/20 in standard Illinois format went a lot closer to 45 minutes. The tossups were not the reason the tournament went long; the bonuses just took forever.
Beyond that ..... and this has nothing to do with the Masons, after two weeks of faster paced quizbowl, this tournament was less fun to be involved with. I was honored to serve, and especially honored to work for a former teacher of mine, but it just seemed to drag.
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Masonic State Results!
Champions: Carbondale
2nd place: Auburn
3rd place: Peoria Christian
4th place: Warrensburg Latham
Consolation: New Trier
Consolation runner up: Wheaton Warrenville South
Champions: Carbondale
2nd place: Auburn
3rd place: Peoria Christian
4th place: Warrensburg Latham
Consolation: New Trier
Consolation runner up: Wheaton Warrenville South
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