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ANNOUNCEMENT: Lederberg Trinity (Summer 2019)

Post by Sima Guang Hater » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:20 am

I'm quite pleased to announce Lederberg Trinity, a science subject tournament to be played at ICT 2019. The distribution will be as follows (all tossups):

5 Biology
5 Chemistry
5 Physics
2 Astro
2 Math
2 CS
2 Data Science/Stats/Applied Math
1 Earth Sci

Difficulty will be similar to previous incarnations (i.e. "not easy") and the cost will be $15 per person.

A few additional things I want to do with this tournament:

1. I plan to continue Historature's charitable trend and donate all proceeds from this tournament to the Leukemia and Lymphoma Foundation.

2. I'd like to train the next generation of science writers; if you, or your younger teammates, are interested in writing for this tournament, please get in contact with me through the usual channels. Your questions will help the effort.

3. As usual, I would love input from more experienced writers whose areas of expertise are different from mine. If you have any interest in contributing, please let me know.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Lederberg Trinity (Summer 2019)

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more like l3d3rb3rg amirite
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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:03 am

My cowriters so far include:
Aakash Patel
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Paul Lee
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James Lasker (also editing Astro)
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Post by Cheynem » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:33 am

I was kind of hoping for a miscellaneous category.
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Post by Aaron's Rod » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:54 pm

Sima Guang Hater wrote: 2 Data Science/Stats/Applied Math
hell yeah
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Lederberg Trinity (Summer 2019)

Post by Guile Island » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:31 pm

okay but WHERE is my science TRASH at
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Lederberg Trinity (Summer 2019)

Post by Sima Guang Hater » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:13 am

So production on this tournament is proceeding well - unfortunately I've noticed that Jason has claimed ICT for his video game set, and I have neglected to be proactive about picking a date.

I'm open to suggestions - would people consider playing this at CO? Is there enough space at ICT for both events? Or should I postpone until 2020?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Lederberg Trinity (Summer 2019)

Post by toblerone » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:00 am

I will 100% play this tournament if it happens at 2019 ICT. I will not be at CO and idk if I'm doing quizbowl in 2020.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Lederberg Trinity (Summer 2019)

Post by setht » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:57 am

Sima Guang Hater wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:13 am
I'm open to suggestions - would people consider playing this at CO? Is there enough space at ICT for both events? Or should I postpone until 2020?
I think there's space at ICT for both events, but I'm biased: I will almost certainly play this if you run it at ICT, and almost certainly will not if it's run at CO.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Lederberg Trinity (Summer 2019)

Post by Victor Prieto » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:32 pm

I was also hoping to run STAR BOWL at ICT (as well as play Lederberg and GOLBEZ), but I can't be sure if I'll be there until after qualifications from SCT have been released, nor do I know if it will be possible to squeeze everything in. I also recognize I announced last, so I guess I get last dibs at ICT. I'm hoping the bigger field will be at NSC, though.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Lederberg Trinity (Summer 2019)

Post by Periplus of the Erythraean Sea » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:30 pm

This is a hard college-level difficulty tournament whose proceeds are going to charity. It seems like a hard college tournament like ICT would be the best place to run this to maximize audience and that furthermore this should take precedent over events which are not for charity.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Lederberg Trinity (Summer 2019)

Post by Auroni » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:35 pm

Periplus of the Erythraean Sea wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:30 pm
This is a hard college-level difficulty tournament whose proceeds are going to charity. It seems like a hard college tournament like ICT would be the best place to run this to maximize audience and that furthermore this should take precedent over events which are not for charity.
What tournaments that have already been announced for ICT weekend and aren't being run for charity are you thinking of, exactly?
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Post by Auks Ran Ova » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:36 pm

Even if this argument about charity giving an event precedence was an agreed-upon thing and not something you just made up:
GOLBEZ announcement wrote:Half of all the money I receive from this "pay what you think it's worth" fee structure will be donated to the Bounceback Foundation.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Lederberg Trinity (Summer 2019)

Post by touchpack » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:37 pm

I would very much like to play this, but I am staffing GOLBEZ where/when it is run (currently Saturday night at ICT), regardless of the date/time chosen for this tournament.
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Post by Auks Ran Ova » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:43 pm

Also there's not a lot of stuff announced for CO this year, so there's certainly room there; however, Seth is also right that we could probably run both events at ICT fairly easily.
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Post by Aaron's Rod » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:57 pm

Would people be open to running something Friday night of ICT, or do teams generally get in too late for that?
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Post by Periplus of the Erythraean Sea » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:14 pm

Auks Ran Ova wrote:
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Even if this argument about charity giving an event precedence was an agreed-upon thing and not something you just made up
Yeah, I made it up. Shoot me.

Since tournaments exist to serve players, it seems to me to make sense to run tournaments where they will reach the largest possible appropriate audience. This is a hard academic tournament, so it seems logical to run its main mirror for a readymade collegiate audience that is presumably playing questions of similar difficulty, in addition to numerous D2 players who may wish to challenge themselves and/or staff who wish to participate - and a lot of these people (such as Alex H, who has posted above) won't be playing CO. I think this is particularly important to note given that a lot of the strongest high school science players (e.g. Geoffrey C, Sohum S, Akshay G, Abhinav G, Julia Z, Fred Z) are writing for this tournament, and won't be able to supplement the field at a hypothetical HSNCT mirror.

EDIT: as noted there's no real reason that it's impossible both, but for the reasons above, this tournament should receive the most favorable slot
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Post by Cheynem » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:16 pm

I don't know how long this event will take; we ran SOUNDTRACK on Friday night pretty easily, but that was a shootout.
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Post by Benin Rebirth Party » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:29 pm

Self-centered post but since my countrymen can't go to HS national stuff we'd love to have it over ICT or CO
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Post by Valefor » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:46 pm

As Seth, Rob, and others have posted, I certainly think it's possible that both events will be able to run comfortably over the course of ICT weekend. How many packets/rounds do you think Lederberg will end up having?
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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:04 pm

Valefor wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:46 pm
As Seth, Rob, and others have posted, I certainly think it's possible that both events will be able to run comfortably over the course of ICT weekend. How many packets/rounds do you think Lederberg will end up having?
Hey Jason, thanks for being accommodating about this. It's currently 10 rounds of TU only, but we can certainly run a shortened format.
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Post by Auks Ran Ova » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:20 pm

Aaron's Rod wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:57 pm
Would people be open to running something Friday night of ICT, or do teams generally get in too late for that?
Eric what do you think about this? ICT Friday night events (GUERRILLA, actual tournament prelim games, etc.) have been run fairly successfully in the past, and the earlier people know about it the better they can plan for it.
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Post by Valefor » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:03 pm

To echo what Rob said, would you be okay with running this Friday night? There are several reasons that might work out for the best. At some past ICTs I've been busy with tournament setup work until pretty late in the evening on Friday, so if GOLBEZ ran on Friday night I'm not 100% sure when I'd be free from that (whereas on Saturday night after ICT, my schedule is usually much more open/flexible). In addition, if you ran this on Friday, you could probably start earlier than would be possible on Saturday evening so you have time to get all the rounds in, and this could serve as something of a warm-up for science players competing in ICT the next day (with a comparatively light, after-dinner mint of video game trash after Saturday's tournament :) ).

Also as Rob said, if we go ahead and get this firmed up now, that should be plenty of time for people interested in playing to plan travel that works out, time-wise.

If I'm free earlier in the evening on Friday than I have been in the past and thus am available, I'm happy to help out with staffing this. :)
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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:00 pm

Valefor wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:03 pm
To echo what Rob said, would you be okay with running this Friday night? There are several reasons that might work out for the best. At some past ICTs I've been busy with tournament setup work until pretty late in the evening on Friday, so if GOLBEZ ran on Friday night I'm not 100% sure when I'd be free from that (whereas on Saturday night after ICT, my schedule is usually much more open/flexible). In addition, if you ran this on Friday, you could probably start earlier than would be possible on Saturday evening so you have time to get all the rounds in, and this could serve as something of a warm-up for science players competing in ICT the next day (with a comparatively light, after-dinner mint of video game trash after Saturday's tournament :) ).

Also as Rob said, if we go ahead and get this firmed up now, that should be plenty of time for people interested in playing to plan travel that works out, time-wise.

If I'm free earlier in the evening on Friday than I have been in the past and thus am available, I'm happy to help out with staffing this. :)
I'm absolutely ok with running this on Friday, and I'm hoping the fact that we've set this this early will give people interested in playing enough time to arrange their travel schedules to play it. And I think you're right - its probably a good warmup for ICT and will be harder to hear after. Thanks again for working this out with us.

Here is a team formation spreadsheeet. Have at it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
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Post by Cody » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:49 pm

Since it's around the time people start booking flights (including me), is there a potential start time that we should plan for?
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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:45 pm

Cody wrote:
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Since it's around the time people start booking flights (including me), is there a potential start time that we should plan for?
Sorry for the delay. Lets target 630PM as a start time. I would recommend ordering food during the tournament as well.
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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:27 am

Hey everybody, more updates. I would ideally like to have either 8 or 12 teams (8 would make a 7 game round robin and final, with an extra packet for play-in; 12 could be run in prelims of 6/6, then playoffs of 4/4/4, then two packets left for finals). Otherwise we would have to either have byes (with 9 or 11 teams) or not enough packets left for finals (10 team RR).

Between these two options, I would rather have 12 teams. Right now with free agents, there are enough players to fill 9 teams (36 players). It would be ideal if more people would sign up soon (ideally 12 people); the alternative is to allow 5-person teams, which I'm willing to do in a pinch.
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For 12 teams, I would suggest a prelims of 6/6 to a crossover (split each bracket into top 3 and bottom 3, carry over 2 prelim games for every team). This takes the same number of rounds as splitting 4/4/4 but it keeps 50% of the field in contention instead of 33% and reduces variance in placement due to seeding. (Which is generally a problem through no fault of the people running the tournament -- seeding these types of events is often quite hard.)
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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:14 am

Cody wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:25 am
For 12 teams, I would suggest a prelims of 6/6 to a crossover (split each bracket into top 3 and bottom 3, carry over 2 prelim games for every team). This takes the same number of rounds as splitting 4/4/4 but it keeps 50% of the field in contention instead of 33% and reduces variance in placement due to seeding. (Which is generally a problem through no fault of the people running the tournament -- seeding these types of events is often quite hard.)
Oh yes that would make much more sense. We'll do that. Thanks!
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Lederberg Trinity (Summer 2019)

Post by Sima Guang Hater » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:47 am

Hey everyone, a couple announcements.

1. This set is on track to be finished for ICT. It is over 75% written as of right now.

2. I would like to have an online mirror of this tournament after HSNCT. However, I will probably be unable to host it, because I'll be finishing up my program and moving around that time. If people would be interested in that, and someone would be interested in hosting it, please LMK.

3. If anyone would be unable to play this set at any of its mirrors, it would be very helpful to have a second set of eyes on fields that I don't know as well (particularly pure math and physics). Please get in contact with me if you'd be willing to help me out.
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