Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Dormant threads from the high school sections are preserved here.
Locked
User avatar
Grace
Wakka
Posts: 249
Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:55 pm

Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by Grace »

We have reason to believe that Joanna Li, a member of a hybrid team at the UCSD Triton Spring tournament, obtained a copy of the BHSAT 2014 set before playing UCSD’s May 24 mirror of the set. We have been presented with strong evidence of unethical behavior, including repeated attempts to ask others for sets which are not clear before playing those sets, though we do not choose to release all of our evidence at this time.

We do not believe that any other member of Joanna’s hybrid team at Triton Spring was involved in cheating, nor do we think that her school team, La Jolla, was implicated in her actions. We request that Joanna Li be banned from future quizbowl tournaments and have discussed the situation with some hosts in the Southern California area.

We would also like to take this time to repeat the importance of not sharing sets which are not clear. We regret this breach of question security and will certainly be more stringent with our electronic packet distribution in the future. In addition, we hope that other tournament writers and hosts will follow stricter security measures in order to prevent further iterations of this kind of incident.
Grace Liu
MIT (no graduation because hahaha what a joke)
Yale University '16
High Technology High School '12
Urech hydantoin synthesis
Tidus
Posts: 525
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:35 pm

Re: Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by Urech hydantoin synthesis »

In my capacity as head editor and mirror site coordinator for LIST IV, I have a couple of things to add to Grace's post concerning Joanna Li of La Jolla High School.

In the week before Westview High School's mirror of LIST IV, the tournament director, Aseem Keyal, brought to my attention that La Jolla had somehow practiced on the first packet of LIST IV. He also informed me that Joanna Li was the one who acquired the packet, and that according to her, she did not acquire any other packets of the set. Based on that and his personal opinion of the matter, I did not pursue it further, being content to have him give La Jolla's team(s) a bye in round 1.

After the tournament, however, several people reported Joanna's anomalous performance to me, which can be found at http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... etail/#t10. Compared with her statistics from previous tournaments, this performance was indeed suspicious, and even more so when examining the contrast between her team's points per bonus and her own individual performance, especially her powers/neg, power rate, and power percentage. That kind of performance does not make much sense especially considering that this year's LIST was harder to power, but had easier bonuses, than the average set. This sentiment was apparently shared by a significant number of other quizbowl players who saw the stats, but there was nothing to prove it.

Of course, the statistical evidence was not strong, I (at that time) thought it was perfectly possible she only acquired 1 packet, and I did not have any idea as to how she might have acquired the questions, so I did not pursue this further, since I had absolutely no leads and any possible cheating was history. In retrospect, acquiring only 1 packet of LIST electronically would have been very unlikely, since I only sent out the set in a single zip file to hosts.

Based on new evidence, I also have come to the conclusion that she had acquired a copy of the LIST IV set prior to playing it, and used it to her advantage. I myself have no power other than to perhaps forbid future mirrors from letting her play, but I strongly urge other TDs to do the same thing unless she can provide a satisfactory explanation for how she managed to acquire only one packet of an unclear set that was not distributed in individual packets.

I agree with Grace in that set editors should take more precautions with question security; while Ladue's team did not password-protect the LIST IV packets because we did not feel the need to (based on previous years' experience), we will obviously be doing so in the future due to various incidents that have occurred in this past year.

This post should be construed as strongly condoning everything Grace has said, in addition to corroborating her reports with more evidence.
Ben Zhang

Zucker School of Medicine at Hofstra/Northwell '23
Columbia University '18
Ladue Horton Watkins HS '14
Jason Cheng
Rikku
Posts: 362
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:23 am

Re: Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by Jason Cheng »

EDIT: I'd like to note that I agree with everything Grace and Ben have said in this thread, and any reading of this post should reflect as such

After Ben Zhang brought this to my attention earlier today, I found that the breaches in question security most likely did not come from any source in Southern California, nor is there any evidence that anyone in the Southern California circuit aided Joanna Li in her suspicious actions. I also uncovered proof that what occurred was that people from regions that had already mirrored tournaments from the current season would forward the questions to players in regions that had yet to mirror the set, and vice versa. I have seen the strong evidence that Grace mentioned and this directly corroborates with the method in which I suspect that Joanna Li cheated. Thus, I'd like to put forth a couple of points:

First, I'd like to request that no one accuse any other parties from Southern California of unethical behavior without strong evidence, as I have already had a number of people approach me with obviously false allegations, even from within the community. Most members of the Southern California circuit that I approached are provably innocent, and were more than willing to assist me in my investigation--I shared all this evidence with Grace and Ben before they released these announcements, and they have agreed with my conclusions. In particular, I want to make it clear that I have seen no proof that the members of La Jolla's quiz bowl program are guilty of anything other than perhaps a poor judgement call in allowing Joanna to compete at Westview's mirror of LIST after knowing she had somehow obtained the first round of the question set. To accuse an innocent party of cheating would have disastrous consequences, which I would like to avoid.

Second, I want to point out that this means there is a possibility that other people from circuits all across the nation have also been cheating this season. While the "underground packet trade" has always existed and there is nothing inherently wrong with this, Joanna Li's actions prove that there is a potential for an individual to abuse this practice and knowingly obtain sets that they are going to play. I strongly encourage people to investigate this matter with regards to the tournaments that have been hosted in their region, as well as take reexamine the overly lax nature of question security between regions, as Grace and Ben are doing.

I will encourage tournament directors in the Southern California circuit to bar Joanna Li from future tournaments, and hope that this incident sparks conversation on how it happened, who took advantage of it, and how to prevent it from happening in the future.
Last edited by Jason Cheng on Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:35 am, edited 1 time in total.
Jason Cheng
Arcadia High School 2013
UCSD 2017
Jason Cheng
Rikku
Posts: 362
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:23 am

Re: Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by Jason Cheng »

I have given the following message to the SoCal community:

http://www.socalquizbowl.org/cheating-i ... he-season/
Jason Cheng
Arcadia High School 2013
UCSD 2017
User avatar
Steeve Ho You Fat
Auron
Posts: 1138
Joined: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:48 pm

Re: Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by Steeve Ho You Fat »

While Ben's statement that Joanna had access to one packet of LIST when it was only distributed as a zip is fairly damming regarding the LIST mirror, I would be interested in seeing Yale's evidence. Has anyone admitted to sending Joanna the questions? Did anyone look at her notebook during the tournament, or did she do anything else suspicious at the tournament?
Joe Nutter
PACE Emeritus
Michigan State University '14
Walnut Hills High School '11
User avatar
vinteuil
Auron
Posts: 1454
Joined: Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:31 pm

Re: Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by vinteuil »

Grace wrote:We would also like to take this time to repeat the importance of not sharing sets which are not clear. We regret this breach of question security and will certainly be more stringent with our electronic packet distribution in the future. In addition, we hope that other tournament writers and hosts will follow stricter security measures in order to prevent further iterations of this kind of incident.
This is the most important takeaway from this, I think. I'd like to reiterate that nobody should be asking anybody but the editors of the set for copies of the questions, and that anybody who receives a copy of a set (e.g. tournament directors) is NOT authorized to distribute it further until the set is clear. We'll make this more explicit for BHSAT XXIV.
Jacob R., ex-Chicago
Al Hirt
Wakka
Posts: 136
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:25 pm
Location: East Brunswick, New Jersey

Re: Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by Al Hirt »

vinteuil wrote:
Grace wrote:We would also like to take this time to repeat the importance of not sharing sets which are not clear. We regret this breach of question security and will certainly be more stringent with our electronic packet distribution in the future. In addition, we hope that other tournament writers and hosts will follow stricter security measures in order to prevent further iterations of this kind of incident.
This is the most important takeaway from this, I think. I'd like to reiterate that nobody should be asking anybody but the editors of the set for copies of the questions, and that anybody who receives a copy of a set (e.g. tournament directors) is NOT authorized to distribute it further until the set is clear. We'll make this more explicit for BHSAT XXIV.
I'm curious here (and maybe it's my naivete), but why would a team ask for paper copies to questions that are posted freely online mere months after they played them? Would such copies even NEED to be distributed in the first place?
Shravan Balaji
Academic Team Captain
East Brunswick High School '15
University of Pennsylvania '19
NHBB Mid-Atlantic Regional Coordinator
User avatar
vinteuil
Auron
Posts: 1454
Joined: Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:31 pm

Re: Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by vinteuil »

Al Hirt wrote:
vinteuil wrote:
Grace wrote:We would also like to take this time to repeat the importance of not sharing sets which are not clear. We regret this breach of question security and will certainly be more stringent with our electronic packet distribution in the future. In addition, we hope that other tournament writers and hosts will follow stricter security measures in order to prevent further iterations of this kind of incident.
This is the most important takeaway from this, I think. I'd like to reiterate that nobody should be asking anybody but the editors of the set for copies of the questions, and that anybody who receives a copy of a set (e.g. tournament directors) is NOT authorized to distribute it further until the set is clear. We'll make this more explicit for BHSAT XXIV.
I'm curious here (and maybe it's my naivete), but why would a team ask for paper copies to questions that are posted freely online mere months after they played them? Would such copies even NEED to be distributed in the first place?
I do not believe that anybody in this thread has been referring to paper copies.

It is perfectly reasonable, e.g. for a team to request a copy of a set after playing it, so that they can reread it, post in the discussion forum, practice on the remaining packets, etc.
Jacob R., ex-Chicago
Al Hirt
Wakka
Posts: 136
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:25 pm
Location: East Brunswick, New Jersey

Re: Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by Al Hirt »

vinteuil wrote:
Al Hirt wrote:
vinteuil wrote:
Grace wrote:We would also like to take this time to repeat the importance of not sharing sets which are not clear. We regret this breach of question security and will certainly be more stringent with our electronic packet distribution in the future. In addition, we hope that other tournament writers and hosts will follow stricter security measures in order to prevent further iterations of this kind of incident.
This is the most important takeaway from this, I think. I'd like to reiterate that nobody should be asking anybody but the editors of the set for copies of the questions, and that anybody who receives a copy of a set (e.g. tournament directors) is NOT authorized to distribute it further until the set is clear. We'll make this more explicit for BHSAT XXIV.
I'm curious here (and maybe it's my naivete), but why would a team ask for paper copies to questions that are posted freely online mere months after they played them? Would such copies even NEED to be distributed in the first place?
I do not believe that anybody in this thread has been referring to paper copies.

It is perfectly reasonable, e.g. for a team to request a copy of a set after playing it, so that they can reread it, post in the discussion forum, practice on the remaining packets, etc.
Ah okay. Thanks for clarification.
Shravan Balaji
Academic Team Captain
East Brunswick High School '15
University of Pennsylvania '19
NHBB Mid-Atlantic Regional Coordinator
User avatar
Stained Diviner
Auron
Posts: 5088
Joined: Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:08 am
Location: Chicagoland
Contact:

Re: Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by Stained Diviner »

Does somebody know how the student got the questions? If so, will the source be outed?
David Reinstein
Head Writer and Editor for Scobol Solo, Masonics, and IESA; TD for Scobol Solo and Reinstein Varsity; IHSSBCA Board Member; IHSSBCA Chair (2004-2014); PACE President (2016-2018)
Urech hydantoin synthesis
Tidus
Posts: 525
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:35 pm

Re: Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by Urech hydantoin synthesis »

In both cases, it is believed that Student X got the questions after playing the tournament, and then proceeded to pass it along to the person involved in the cheating, perhaps with a middleman in between. It is important to note that there is not necessarily a coordinated effort to cheat here - the trading of packets one has played or will not play seems to be relatively common, but only this time has it been used for malicious purposes (that we know of). Also, I still have no idea how she got the LIST IV packets, since there are so many possible sources and mirror sites.
Ben Zhang

Zucker School of Medicine at Hofstra/Northwell '23
Columbia University '18
Ladue Horton Watkins HS '14
User avatar
Kilroy Was Here
Rikku
Posts: 354
Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:29 pm
Location: Michigan

Re: Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by Kilroy Was Here »

Being close to pretty much everyone involved in this, I can confirm what Ben said at least for BHSAT. Someone sent the packet to a middleman who wanted the packet due to it not being mirrored in his region and simply wanting to study. The person who cheated asked this middleman for the packet saying she wasn't going to play the tournament and so the middleman innocently (although carelessly) sent her the packet which she then used to cheat. I just wanted to say this to reiterate the fact that the middleman didn't knowingly help her cheat and is incredibly shocked himself. How she got LIST is beyond me.
Collin Parks
University of Michigan '18

"Aragorn was the famed king of Gondor, while the Iberian kingdom was Aragon. Both parties were aware of this coincidence: we have a journal entry from Aragorn that expresses his anger at receiving mail meant for King Peter IV of Aragon for the umpteenth time."~ CommodoreCoCo
User avatar
vinteuil
Auron
Posts: 1454
Joined: Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:31 pm

Re: Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by vinteuil »

Weighted Companion Cube wrote:Being close to pretty much everyone involved in this, I can confirm what Ben said at least for BHSAT. Someone sent the packet to a middleman who wanted the packet due to it not being mirrored in his region and simply wanting to study. The person who cheated asked this middleman for the packet saying she wasn't going to play the tournament and so the middleman innocently (although carelessly) sent her the packet which she then used to cheat. I just wanted to say this to reiterate the fact that the middleman didn't knowingly help her cheat and is incredibly shocked himself. How she got LIST is beyond me.
I'd like to reiterate that nobody but the editors and the tournament director of one site was authorized to send out a copy of this question set. If your reasons for wanting the set are good enough to convince your friends, they should be good enough to convince the editors. We will be inserting a punitive clause regarding this kind of distribution into our announcement for next year's set; both "someone" who sent out the packets and this "middleman" should now hopefully see the dangers of doing so.
Jacob R., ex-Chicago
User avatar
Kilroy Was Here
Rikku
Posts: 354
Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:29 pm
Location: Michigan

Re: Cheating at the UCSD BHSAT Mirror

Post by Kilroy Was Here »

vinteuil wrote:
Weighted Companion Cube wrote:Being close to pretty much everyone involved in this, I can confirm what Ben said at least for BHSAT. Someone sent the packet to a middleman who wanted the packet due to it not being mirrored in his region and simply wanting to study. The person who cheated asked this middleman for the packet saying she wasn't going to play the tournament and so the middleman innocently (although carelessly) sent her the packet which she then used to cheat. I just wanted to say this to reiterate the fact that the middleman didn't knowingly help her cheat and is incredibly shocked himself. How she got LIST is beyond me.
I'd like to reiterate that nobody but the editors and the tournament director of one site was authorized to send out a copy of this question set. If your reasons for wanting the set are good enough to convince your friends, they should be good enough to convince the editors. We will be inserting a punitive clause regarding this kind of distribution into our announcement for next year's set; both "someone" who sent out the packets and this "middleman" should now hopefully see the dangers of doing so.
Oh absolutely, I just wanted to make sure there weren't any allegations of the middleman doing something malicious.
Collin Parks
University of Michigan '18

"Aragorn was the famed king of Gondor, while the Iberian kingdom was Aragon. Both parties were aware of this coincidence: we have a journal entry from Aragorn that expresses his anger at receiving mail meant for King Peter IV of Aragon for the umpteenth time."~ CommodoreCoCo
Locked