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HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:41 pm

Reminder: the address is at https://hsqbrank.com/

This is the seventh year of my rankings. The pre-season rankings will hopefully be done in the next week or two.

To also make myself question why I do this, I'm starting a clock to keep track of how much time I spend on this through the year. That way, I'll have a hard number to use when I mess something up in my life, so I can blame EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

CURRENT COUNT: NINETY EIGHT HOURS (as of 5/30)

Have fun and best of luck!
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:53 pm

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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:05 am

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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby ScottF » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:41 pm

Four of the top 15 on the list competed in Glasgow over the weekend:

http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... _16_final/

Dorman beat both DCC and Battle Ground in the re-bracketed top round robin.
Dunbar was 6th.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:16 pm

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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby Around occasionally » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:31 pm

Did you calculate EFT adjustments for these rankings? Lisgar played the UOttawa mirror but their PPB from that doesn't seem to be included.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:42 pm

No EFT adjustment; going to hold off on including that for a little bit. I'm using stat adjustments from last year or estimates; I really need more data before I can do proper adjustments.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:17 pm

What about Penn Bowl? Will adjustments for that be forthcoming?
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:02 pm

I didn't attend Penn Bowl, so I can't calculate an adjustment for Penn Bowl.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:51 pm

AKKOLADE wrote:I didn't attend Penn Bowl, so I can't calculate an adjustment for Penn Bowl.


Oh, I didn't realize that's how you did it. So there never will be an adjustment for Penn Bowl?
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby Tornrak » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:00 pm

I think that might have been a joke regarding the dismissal of criticisms about the main site's questions or logistics given by people who weren't at the tournament? Or perhaps I don't understand that you understand that?
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:52 pm

It was a joke. A calculation will be made when I have more data.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:10 pm

Ha, I've been ignoring that thread for the most part. Thanks.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:41 pm

For those wondering when the next update is: I need to finish applying for residencies first. Then I'll have enough time resume working on the rankings.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby johnc » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:13 am

At TQBA's Harvard Fall Tournament, St. Mark's A played under the pseudonym "Preppington Heights" just FYI.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:20 pm

Just started working on the next update.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:23 pm

AKKOLADE wrote:CURRENT COUNT: SEVENTEEN HOURS (as of 2/6)


Wow that number sure has increased recently over the past month! I wonder if it has any correlation with an update I'm trying to get out that would include all tournaments played through the first weekend of February while also managing research and residency interviews???

Hey, that last sentence is itself a hint towards an answer regarding questions I've gotten multiple times that I don't feel like answering! Now I'm going to go to bed because sleep is my favorite byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:46 pm

Here's a list of all the tournament I have included in the stats I'm working for the upcoming rankings. Note that the cutoff was February 1, which I'm sure will be ignored by at least one person responding to this.

Aggie Academic Challenge
Aggie Invitational
ANT
AQA Introductory
AQA January
AQA November
AQA October
Arcadia Carnal Embrace
Arcadia Carnal Embrace JV
Ashtabula County League
Baby Anteater
Barron Robinson Memorial
Beavercreek Fall
Boilermaker Buzzathon
Brainbusters
Bronco Bowl II
Bulldog SWATA
Cal Classic
California Cup JV
California Cup Varsity
Casey Young Memorial
Catholic League Kickoff
CATT
Cavalier Classic
Centennial Invitation
Cerebral Weevil Invitational
Chamois Fall
Charleston Kickoff
CIS Winter
Class Act Invitational
Classical Prep Semi-Annual
Classical prep Semi-Annual 2
Clemson Tigertown Throwdown
Clever Invitational
Columbia Fall (National)
Columbia Fall (Standard)
Columbia Winter National
Columbia Winter Standard
Columbian Exposition
Community School of Naples
Cougar Invitational
CSI
Darien Invitational
DCC Novice
DeSmet Varsity
Dorman Fall
Downingtown East
Dutchtown
EFT
ESA Cade Cane Classic
Eureka Season Opener
Florida Gateway High
Gaylord Invitational
Georgetown WHAQ
GINVIT
Glasgow Scottie
Good Hope Invitational
Grapes of Smath
Gwinnett County Scholars
Hallsville Fall
Hallsville Invitational
Henderson Invitational
HFT @ St. Thomas
HFT at Auburn
Hicksville Invitational
High Point Central Open
Highland Tech Fall
Hilltopper Invitational
Holt Winter
Hoover Invitational
Hunter SCOP
IHOP JV
IHOP Varsity
IHSSBCA Kickoff @ Fenwick
IHSSBCA Kickoff @ Homewood-Flossmoor
IHSSBCA Kickoff @ Morrison
IHSSBCA Kickoff @ Springfield
IHSSBCA Kickoff @ Stevenson
Itawamba Invitational
Jan Rademacher
John Schudel Memorial
Johns Hopkins Novice
KPAQT VII
L&N Train Bowl
Lakeland Winter
LAMP Invitational
Legion Memorial
Lehigh Valley Invitational
LIFT
LIMIT
Louisiana Tech Winter
Loyola Ultima Upper
LSU Spooktacular
MacIntro
Manheim Township Academic Challenge
MATCH
Mellon Bowl
Metro West Conference
Michigan Autumn
Michigan State Kickoff
Michigan State's HFT
Michigan Tech Blizzard Bowl
Mid-South Championship
Mike Hendricks Memorial
Missouri Fall
MIT Fall
MOQBA Fall
Morrison Turnabout
Mount Carmel Invitational
Mustang Invitational
NAQT Nevada
New Trier Varsity Standard
NIU ACF Fall Mirror
Northern Kentucky Quizbowl League
Norwin Invitational
Oakville Varsity
Oklahoma Early Tournament
Ottawa
Ottawa SCOP
PHAT
Phillips Academy Fall
PHSAT
Purdue Boilermaker
Quaker Bowl
Quaker Fall Novice
Quaker Fall Open
Quincy Turnabout
Quizcat VI
Ranger Invitational Season Kickoff
Ransom Everglades Invitational
Redbud Invitational
Rickards Brain Bowl
RIFT @ Rice
Rotary International Challenge
Rowdy Raider
Rube Goldberg
Sacramento Fall
Sacramento Winter
SAGACITY
Scarlet Knight Winter
SERIOUS
Siouxper Bowl
SMART
Smithtown West Invitational
Smithville Invitational
SnowCAT
SOCIAL
Solon Fall
SPOOKY II
SWATA at Richlands
Swim n Win Invitational
Three Trails
Tippecanoe Academic Challenge
Toronto Winter
Torrey Pines
TQBA Alamo City
TQBA Brahma Bowl
TQBA Cougar Clash
TQBA Hornet Hollabaloo
TQBA Houston Holiday Hoedown
TQBA Kickoff Classic
TQBA Leopard's Lair
TQBA Panther Pageant
TQBA Rio Grande Valley
TQBA Sparkling City
TQBA Winter Rodeo
Tri State Fall
Tri-State Tussle
Trojan Academic
TWAIN
UIUC Earlybird
UK Fall (national)
UK Fall (standard)
University of Toronto Novice
Upper Peninsula Fall
Valley Christian ACF Fall
Valley Christian Invitational
Van Wert Invitational
VCU Fall
VCU Winter
VOLDEMORT
VTACO
Washington Fall Classic
Washington U Fall
Waverly Invitational
Waynedale Fall
West Point Winter
White Station Quiz Tournament
William Rufus King
Winnebago Invitational
Winter War VI
Wisconsin Fall
WIZARD
Wolfpack Invitational
Wolfpack Winter Invitational
Yale ACF Fall
Yale FAcT
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:19 pm

And if you have stats on Neg5, please post them here because there's still no way for me to just pull up a list of tournaments on that site.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby El Salvadoreno » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:44 pm

It seems to me like you are missing a good amount of Illinois tournaments, most notably Fremd and Huskie Bowl. The link to all Illinois Tournaments are below.

http://www.ihssbca.org/tournaments/tournaments1617/
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby Big Y » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:04 am

Neg Five tournaments you are missing, not including Illinois stuff that can be found at the link Ricky provided:
2016 IQBL Fall Open
Harvest Prep Fall
Shateyaronyah III
Singapore Fall Invitational 2016

Please double check to whatever extent is reasonable, but I believe that this and the IHSSBCA link are exactly what you are looking for.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:48 am

This is probably due to a lack of understanding on my part, but is HFT @ Harvard (as in the real one) not included on the list?
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:03 pm

El Salvadoreno wrote:It seems to me like you are missing a good amount of Illinois tournaments, most notably Fremd and Huskie Bowl. The link to all Illinois Tournaments are below.

http://www.ihssbca.org/tournaments/tournaments1617/

Fremd only has points scored, which I can't do anything with. Thank you for helping with Huskie Bowl, though.

Thank you everyone for your help so far.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:57 pm

Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov wrote:This is probably due to a lack of understanding on my part, but is HFT @ Harvard (as in the real one) not included on the list?

Hm. Doesn't look like it. Can you link to the stats in this thread and I'll add them this evening*?
*evening-ish

Edit: nevermind, I found them.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:13 pm

I've calculated all of the adjustments. I hope to do rankings this week.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby nitzuga » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:22 am

I don't see Indiana Kickoff on the list. Also, will the adjustments be released, too? I'd like to see them if possible. Thanks for all the hard work!
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby username_crisis_averted » Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:58 pm

You've probably seen it already from Ricky's link, but the NAQT Illinois State Championship is on neg5 as well.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby jonah » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:14 pm

username_crisis_averted wrote:You've probably seen it already from Ricky's link, but the NAQT Illinois State Championship is on neg5 as well.
That was on February 11, and
AKKOLADE wrote:Note that the cutoff was February 1, which I'm sure will be ignored by at least one person responding to this.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:53 pm

nitzuga wrote:I don't see Indiana Kickoff on the list. Also, will the adjustments be released, too? I'd like to see them if possible. Thanks for all the hard work!

Got them, thanks. Adjustments will be released.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:23 pm

I posted set adjustments! Kind of!

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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby LaurenJernstadt » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:19 am

Do you happen to do a Small School Ranking for teams looking to compare themselves leading up to the SSNCT? Coming from a public school of less than 150 students in grades 10-12 (about 200 students altogether), I want to be able to compare my team to others small schools across the nation currently rather than having to fish out the small schools from the overall high school rankings. Hoping to make a run for a trophy at SSNCT this year. Thank you:)
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:09 pm

Not at the present. If time allows for me to publish one, I will, but presently that's not an insignificant amount of time that I may or may not have depending on how my schedule turns out.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby Chromica » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:47 pm

LaurenJernstadt wrote:Do you happen to do a Small School Ranking for teams looking to compare themselves leading up to the SSNCT? ... ...I want to be able to compare my team to others small schools across the nation currently rather than having to fish out the small schools from the overall high school rankings. Hoping to make a run for a trophy at SSNCT this year. ...

I have similar sentiments. However, it's not overly difficult to pinpoint some of the top small schools. The Preseason Poll thread, which conveniently has a Small School division, is a great start for this. It is important to note however that this poll does not distinguish between Traditional Public and Charter-and-Private Division schools.

Also, best of luck at your trophy run. I look forward to potentially seeing you and your team there.

P.S. Are you aware of the Very Small School division? Your low enrollment almost certainly qualifies you for this division as well.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby LaurenJernstadt » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:28 pm

Chromica wrote:
LaurenJernstadt wrote:Do you happen to do a Small School Ranking for teams looking to compare themselves leading up to the SSNCT? ... ...I want to be able to compare my team to others small schools across the nation currently rather than having to fish out the small schools from the overall high school rankings. Hoping to make a run for a trophy at SSNCT this year. ...

I have similar sentiments. However, it's not overly difficult to pinpoint some of the top small schools. The Preseason Poll thread, which conveniently has a Small School division, is a great start for this. It is important to note however that this poll does not distinguish between Traditional Public and Charter-and-Private Division schools.

Also, best of luck at your trophy run. I look forward to potentially seeing you and your team there.

P.S. Are you aware of the Very Small School division? Your low enrollment almost certainly qualifies you for this division as well.


I saw the award for the Best Very Small School being offered this year. It makes me wonder how they will go about awarding that since they said it would be determined by a separate tournament as well as the number of "very small" traditional public schools have registered already.

Hope to see your team in Rosemont as well! A little more than two months away!!!
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby LaurenJernstadt » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:34 pm

AKKOLADE wrote:Not at the present. If time allows for me to publish one, I will, but presently that's not an insignificant amount of time that I may or may not have depending on how my schedule turns out.


Darn.... But I totally understand where you are coming from.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby Big Y » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:54 pm

Number of teams by state:
CA 23
IL 17
TX 16
KY 14
OH 12
NJ 11
NY 10
GA 9
MN 8
MO 8
PA 8
MI 7
TN 7
VA 7
FL 6
NC 6
MD 5
SC 5
MA 4
IN 3
LA 3
AL 2
DE 2
AZ 1
CT 1
MS 1
NV 1
ON 1
OR 1
SG 1
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby username_crisis_averted » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:19 pm

Big Y wrote:Number of teams by state:
CA 23
IL 17
TX 16
KY 14
OH 12
NJ 11
NY 10
GA 9
MN 8
MO 8
PA 8
MI 7
TN 7
VA 7
FL 6
NC 6
MD 5
SC 5
MA 4
IN 3
LA 3
AL 2
DE 2
AZ 1
CT 1
MS 1
NV 1
ON 1
OR 1
SG 1


I made a low-budget heatmap to accompany this data.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby no ice » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:14 pm

Thank you for all your hard work, Mr. Fred Morlan! These rankings are excellent and will serve as a valuable resource for teams across the nation to evaluate how they size up against their competition. I know that Harrison Wang and his fearless Hinsdale Central team see their #31 rank as not only validation of their hard work this year but also further incentive to study even harder to perform well at nationals. Felicitations to all!
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby Important Bird Area » Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:48 pm

LaurenJernstadt wrote:I saw the award for the Best Very Small School being offered this year. It makes me wonder how they will go about awarding that since they said it would be determined by a separate tournament as well as the number of "very small" traditional public schools have registered already.


Twenty-seven teams eligible for the Very Small School title are currently registered.

We will run a distinct double-elimination playoff bracket on Sunday for the Very Small School title. (Note that Very Small Schools are eligible for the overall playoffs, so this will probably involve some Very Small Schools being slotted into the Very Small School playoffs after they are eliminated from contention for the overall title.)
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby LaurenJernstadt » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:50 pm

bird bird bird bird bird wrote:
LaurenJernstadt wrote:I saw the award for the Best Very Small School being offered this year. It makes me wonder how they will go about awarding that since they said it would be determined by a separate tournament as well as the number of "very small" traditional public schools have registered already.


Twenty-seven teams eligible for the Very Small School title are currently registered.

We will run a distinct double-elimination playoff bracket on Sunday for the Very Small School title. (Note that Very Small Schools are eligible for the overall playoffs, so this will probably involve some Very Small Schools being slotted into the Very Small School playoffs after they are eliminated from contention for the overall title.)

Just tought I would ask: is there a way where NAQT could denote what schools are "Very Small Schools" on the current Field List (Like an asterik or other symbol by their name)? That way other Very Small Schools like mine can stay informed as to how many and what schools are currently in that particular field?
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby jonah » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:04 pm

LaurenJernstadt wrote:is there a way where NAQT could denote what schools are "Very Small Schools" on the current Field List (Like an asterik or other symbol by their name)? That way other Very Small Schools like mine can stay informed as to how many and what schools are currently in that particular field?
Done. Note that the lack of "VSS" does not necessarily mean the school is too big to be a Very Small School; there are some schools for which we don't yet have this year's data, so we're not sure yet whether they're Very Small. (But we'll figure it out before the tournament.)
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby LaurenJernstadt » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:11 pm

jonah wrote:
LaurenJernstadt wrote:is there a way where NAQT could denote what schools are "Very Small Schools" on the current Field List (Like an asterik or other symbol by their name)? That way other Very Small Schools like mine can stay informed as to how many and what schools are currently in that particular field?
Done. Note that the lack of "VSS" does not necessarily mean the school is too big to be a Very Small School; there are some schools for which we don't yet have this year's data, so we're not sure yet whether they're Very Small. (But we'll figure it out before the tournament.)

Awesome; thank you so much for doing that! Fulton Quiz Bowl is getting more and more excited for SSNCT by the day!!!
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby Chromica » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:34 pm

jonah wrote:Done. Note that the lack of "VSS" does not necessarily mean the school is too big to be a Very Small School; there are some schools for which we don't yet have this year's data, so we're not sure yet whether they're Very Small. (But we'll figure it out before the tournament.)

To my knowledge, Camp Hill, at around 287 students in grades 10-12, qualifies for the VSS title, at least according to our coach Mr. Gianelli.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby jonah » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:10 am

Chromica wrote:
jonah wrote:Done. Note that the lack of "VSS" does not necessarily mean the school is too big to be a Very Small School; there are some schools for which we don't yet have this year's data, so we're not sure yet whether they're Very Small. (But we'll figure it out before the tournament.)

To my knowledge, Camp Hill, at around 287 students in grades 10-12, qualifies for the VSS title, at least according to our coach Mr. Gianelli.
We have you at 303 this year, probably per a phone call with the guidance office. If you or Mr. Gianelli have further concerns, ssnct@naqt.com is the best way to contact us about this.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby Shomik Ghose » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:13 pm

Mr. Morlan, have you thought about using more than just ppb to do rankings? Perhaps you could lower the number of teams ranked, but use a more holistic process to rank them. Your rankings are very important, as they are used to seed the PACE national championship, so its vital that they are as accurate as possible.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby Borel hierarchy » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:19 am

Shomik Ghose wrote:Mr. Morlan, have you thought about using more than just ppb to do rankings? Perhaps you could lower the number of teams ranked, but use a more holistic process to rank them. Your rankings are very important, as they are used to seed the PACE national championship, so its vital that they are as accurate as possible.

just because that's how PACE seeding works in Schweers' fantasy universe does not mean this is actually how PACE is seeded
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:52 am

Shomik Ghose wrote:Mr. Morlan, have you thought about using more than just ppb to do rankings? Perhaps you could lower the number of teams ranked, but use a more holistic process to rank them.


I don't know what this means.
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Re: HSQBRank 2016-2017

Postby Shomik Ghose » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:12 pm

You can try looking at the "bigger package" (powers per game, points per game, negs per game, G/N, P/N, etc...), not just ppb. You could also try getting regional coordinators in each area who could notify you if some team on the list has played without their best player or split (for example, on your most recent rankings, St. Johns moved to 17th place but the ppb used was from when Andy Huff and I, who are the two highest scorers on the team, split. Likewise, Taylor moved to 34th place but the ppb used was from when William wasn't playing). I know you're trying your best, and I'm not trying to criticize or demean you in any way; I'm just offering suggestions as to how you could improve the rankings.
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