Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:22 pm
Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:01 am
Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:33 am
Nick wrote:-Should the (possibly only) prize for winning a tournament be a used book instead of a trophy/plaque/medal? (which, ironically, you mentioned yourself)
Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:38 am
Mewto55555 wrote:Nick wrote:-Should the (possibly only) prize for winning a tournament be a used book instead of a trophy/plaque/medal? (which, ironically, you mentioned yourself)
The very happy medium of trophies/plaques for the top X teams and book prizes for top scorers and players on top teams works incredibly well, in my opinion, and seems like it would be a fine standard for local tournaments. Replacing the books with medals/statuettes makes sense at the two big championships though.
Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:13 am
I know we tend to understand that maybe winning NAQT State isn't much different than winning Random Invitational X in March or whatever
I think we should be taking coordinated steps to boost the seriousness, legitimacy, professionalism, etc in quizbowl and it goes far beyond printing the schedules in advance.
Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:32 am
cchiego wrote:The HSAPQ regionals idea is a good idea in theory and I look forward to seeing how it grows this year and in the future. But it needs to keep growing and doing things to try to acquire more of this kind of legitimacy--if the tournaments have a tiny handful of teams, slow stats-posting, and lack some of the big-name teams in the area, that's not going to help.
Perhaps nationals can--and should be--more of the focus here, but again you run into the problem of PACE/NAQT having a ton of volunteer staffers to deal with at once and people really not understanding what it means to be professional.
Furthermore, how do you hold people accountable for egregious breaches of professionalism? Do we rely on anecdotes from random people for the evidence? Do we appoint official quizbowl commissions to investigate allegations of unprofessional behavior? Relying on "making fun of X in the IRC" isn't going to change anything, but sending official letters to a school admin and prohibiting certain schools from hosting might. On the other hand, if these shenanigans happen in areas where there are few or no other good quizbowl hosts, what do we do then? And who is this "we" going to be anyways?
Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:36 am
Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:23 pm
I'd like to see what, specifically, we are talking about here. Can you give some examples of "breaches of professionalism" so people in this thread can offer answers to your questions?
Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:13 pm
Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:37 pm
Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:04 pm
Touko Kettunen wrote:I think most of the problems right now in quizbowl can be fixed through centralization efforts by HSAPQ and NAQT. Centralization will help to ensure a similar product throughout circuits. That means having schools who host tournaments adhere to a set of rules set forward by HSAPQ or NAQT and punishing them for not doing so, either by them forfeiting a deposit or being suspended from hosting future tournaments for a period of n months or years. Additionally, they need to formalize tournament naming using some format like "NAQT [Region] [Season] Invitational [IS-set number]" so that 1) people won't get into the habit of naming their tournaments dumb acronyms that spell out NECKBEARD, 2) things will have the appearance of professionalism, and 3) quizbowl organizations can build their brand. By ensuring the consistency and quality of local tournaments, NAQT and HSAPQ will solidify their brand and will thus have more power to proselytize and solicit money from various other organizations.
Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:11 pm
Maybe we can start by actually calling out these people for their poor jobs than just alluding to them. There seems to be some unwritten rule in this community that format doesn't matter as long as a tournament runs on pyramidal questions and on time, but quite frankly that's just wrong. When Ezell-Harding runs a large tournament that everyone wants to attend because it's on good questions and draws a great national field, it's worth calling them out specifically when they do things like use 16 question rounds in the prelims and then decide the championship with a single elimination playoff. When TACA mismanages a state championship for a decade and yet NAQT continues to let them host NAQT State in Tennessee, somebody needs to call out both of those organizations for their failure to provide Tennessee with an adequate state championship tournament.
Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:15 pm
Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:27 pm
Touko Kettunen wrote:I thin NAQT should make accommodations for local formats to use its questions as it sees fit.
Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:29 pm
bird bird bird bird bird wrote:Touko Kettunen wrote:I thin NAQT should make accommodations for local formats to use its questions as it sees fit.
In general, hosts of local tournaments (that is: not SCT or state championships) are free to use whatever format they choose.
Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:53 pm
Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:22 pm
In my opinion, this is never going to change, unless every team in the country unilaterally decides not to attend any tournament directed by a student.Nick wrote:-Should tournaments be directed by students?