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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby Warlockoftheeast » Thu May 24, 2012 2:09 am

http://www.theoi.com/Text/Apollodorus1.html

Anyone have any thoughts on Bibliotheca for mythology?
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby christino » Thu May 24, 2012 6:45 pm

Warlockoftheeast wrote:http://www.theoi.com/Text/Apollodorus1.html

Anyone have any thoughts on Bibliotheca for mythology?

I mean, sure, that could help, but a combination of Graves/Hamilton/packet studying should be enough to cover high school-level Greek mythology pretty well.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby Mike Bentley » Tue May 29, 2012 12:32 pm

Dan Passner alerted me to this deal on Sunday:

www.half.com has a deal where if you order more than $10 in actual products, up to $25 in shipping is taken off of your order with the code FREESHIP. This is a pretty good deal if you want to buy maybe 8 quizbowl books for $10. If you look on a place like Amazon.com, you'll likely find some pretty good source books for list prices approaching 1 cent, but the caveat is that you usually need to pay $4 shipping (and if you have a Prime membership, the lowest these books are priced is around $4, so you're paying the same amount). With this half.com deal, you can find a lot of good books from one seller (betterworldbooks is a good one) for $.75 + $2 shipping. I ended up getting around 7 $.75 encyclopedias and then one other book that put me as close to $10 as possible. This works out to a savings of around $20 compared to Amazon.

Note that it's often still cheaper to get these types of books at a friends of the library sale, but the selection will be more limited and it takes more of your time/gas money.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby cornfused » Tue May 29, 2012 1:02 pm

Mike Bentley wrote:Dan Passner alerted me to this deal on Sunday:

http://www.half.com has a deal where if you order more than $10 in actual products, up to $25 in shipping is taken off of your order with the code FREESHIP. This is a pretty good deal if you want to buy maybe 8 quizbowl books for $10. If you look on a place like Amazon.com, you'll likely find some pretty good source books for list prices approaching 1 cent, but the caveat is that you usually need to pay $4 shipping (and if you have a Prime membership, the lowest these books are priced is around $4, so you're paying the same amount). With this half.com deal, you can find a lot of good books from one seller (betterworldbooks is a good one) for $.75 + $2 shipping. I ended up getting around 7 $.75 encyclopedias and then one other book that put me as close to $10 as possible. This works out to a savings of around $20 compared to Amazon.

Note that it's often still cheaper to get these types of books at a friends of the library sale, but the selection will be more limited and it takes more of your time/gas money.

Oh my God, this is great. I just ordered $10.38 worth.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby nhscody » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:22 am

For history, I can't recommend anything more highly than this textbook: http://www.amazon.com/History-Western-Society-John-McKay/dp/0395708419/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1340371107&sr=8-6&keywords=Western+Society+5th+edition

It's made for a standard European history course in college, but it really covers much more than that, including some lit, lots of art, etc.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby Corry » Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:34 pm

I can only speak about history, but in my experience, pretty much any history textbook is a good resource for quiz bowl, as long as the subject that it covers is specific enough! You're not going to learn much from a standard world history textbook, since it'll only have room to cover subjects that everybody already knows about. This might also ring true for U.S. history textbooks, since everybody in high school has to take that class. But once you get into slightly more specialized subjects, textbooks become a lot more useful. For instance, even the vaguest, most watered-down European history textbooks still include enough details to give you a working knowledge about the subject in tournaments.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby Scaled Flowerpiercer » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:53 pm

Christ, I Know wrote:
Warlockoftheeast wrote:http://www.theoi.com/Text/Apollodorus1.html

Anyone have any thoughts on Bibliotheca for mythology?

I mean, sure, that could help, but a combination of Graves/Hamilton/packet studying should be enough to cover high school-level Greek mythology pretty well.


I personally like Apollodorus a lot for greco-roman myth - he is one of few classical authors who will give you different versions of myths in one text. For his Library and Epitome, as well as other searchable classical texts (in translation) I tend to use:http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/

Ben is certainly correct in that Graves and Hamilton are great sources - though notably Graves seems to draw a lot from Apollodorus (Graves sometimes seems to copy him nearly word for word), so they will give you about the same knowledge. As for other sources for Greco-Roman myth, Eurpides/Aeschylus/Sophocles plays good for learning myths in depth, and of course anyone looking to really know Greco-Roman myth should probably read the Aeneid, Odyssey, and Iliad (or at least summaries of them).
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby Tale of Mac Datho's Pachycephalosaur » Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:34 am

Scaled Flowerpiercer wrote:
Christ, I Know wrote:
Warlockoftheeast wrote:http://www.theoi.com/Text/Apollodorus1.html
...anyone looking to really know Greco-Roman myth should probably read the Aeneid, Odyssey, and Iliad (or at least summaries of them).


In my experience, people read the Aeneid much less than the Iliad or the Odyssey. There may be fewer clues used from it, but if you do read it, then you'd probably have a good chance at an early buzz. I've gotten several buzzes on "Calaeno the harpy," for example, so I definitely recommend reading a good translation (like Fagles). I have not seen a whole lot of scholarship asked in tournaments, but it may be a good idea to skim The Serpent and the Flame, by Bernard Knox, and Discolor Aura, by Robert Brooks. They aren't quick reads (and they may be a bit tedious if you don't know some Latin), but you might pick up some allusions and some points on early clues.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby The Two Hearts of Kwasi Boachi » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:53 am

Does anyone have any recommendations for books on Scottish and Eastern European History?
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby Skepticism and Animal Feed » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:41 am

The Two Hearts of Kwasi Boachi wrote:Does anyone have any recommendations for books on Scottish and Eastern European History?


I like this book for Russian history:
http://www.amazon.com/Romanovs-Autocrat ... 0385279086

Very clue-dense.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby bird bird bird bird bird » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:31 pm

For Scottish history, try Smout's History of the Scottish People.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby bird bird bird bird bird » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:58 pm

The Two Hearts of Kwasi Boachi wrote:Does anyone have any recommendations for books on Scottish and Eastern European History?


I will now outrageously misinterpret Jacob's question to note that this volume has two chapters about Scottish immigrants in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby Einhard » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:59 pm

Any books particularly good for science questions? I know the basic concepts fairly well, but I have no idea how to get the really early clues about the biology and chemistry tossups.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby shrey96 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:27 pm

I'm not sure about books (other than intro-level college textbooks), but I've found MIT OpenCourseWare to be extremely helpful for quizbowl science.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby The Two Hearts of Kwasi Boachi » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:56 am

Skepticism and Animal Feed wrote:
The Two Hearts of Kwasi Boachi wrote:Does anyone have any recommendations for books on Scottish and Eastern European History?


I like this book for Russian history:
http://www.amazon.com/Romanovs-Autocrat ... 0385279086

Very clue-dense.


I actually took a Russian history course last year, but that book looks interesting. I'll definitely take a look at it. And any recommendations for Polish/Hungarian history would be good as well.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby David Riley » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:42 am

The most recent Hungarian history that I have is Peter Sugar's History of Hungary. It's been my experience that most go out of print rather quickly but you might check Amazon, and be sure to read the reviews. The Cambridge Concise History should be a good overview, and there are any number of books on St. Stephen, Matthias Corvinus, Kossuth and the Austro-Hungarin Empire.

I don't know any Polish histories but I can probably find out....LARGE Polish population here.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby Skepticism and Animal Feed » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:17 pm

I daresay my knowledge of Hungarian history is well above the 90th percentile of this forum, but virtually all of it comes from internet sources. Hungarians love their own history and have documented it extensively on Wikipedia and other websites. There's bias, but it's so comically transparent that you can easily screen it out.

Honestly, the only book I've read that contained any quizbowl-useful information about Hungary was Kinross's book on the Ottoman Empire, which I recommended somewhere much earlier in this thread.

Anyway, a few years back, I put together a parody of NAQT's "You Gotta Know..." list, which contains:

[*] You Gotta Know These Rulers of Hungary
[*] You Gotta Know These Hungarian Rebellions

As far as I recall, these are mostly accurate, though the rebellions one seems to be missing the Vatha Rebellion, which is probably more important than the Samuel Aba rebellion, though it never comes up in quizbowl. But they're likely far too deep for high school.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby The Two Hearts of Kwasi Boachi » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:33 pm

Bruce, you do realize I'm in college, right?

EDIT: I do appreciate the history information. Thanks a ton!
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby Skepticism and Animal Feed » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:39 pm

The Two Hearts of Kwasi Boachi wrote:Bruce, you do realize I'm in college, right?

EDIT: I do appreciate the history information. Thanks a ton!


Yeah but this is the high school section, there's high schoolers reading it, and if I make some kid write a tossup on Pal Maleter for his housewritten high school tournament because I don't make it clear to him that this is way too hard for high school, I'll rightfully be condemned.

Incidentally, don't write a tossup on Pal Maleter for anything easier than Chicago Open.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby Fakespeare » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:27 pm

A bit of a thread resurrection, but I found Great military leaders and their campaigns, edited by Jeremy Black, to be an immensely helpful and enjoyable read, complete with lots of 3D campaign maps to help with those lead-ins that describe tactical maneuvers.

What is a good clue source for some of the less well-known mythologies? Specifically looking at Celtic, Oceanic, and African myth systems here. Primary resources are always good, but I'm looking for more of a compilation.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby bird bird bird bird bird » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:48 pm

Welcome to the forums!

For Celtic myth, I recommend going straight to the sources- reading the Mabinogion (Welsh) and the Tain (Irish) will result in plenty of points (granted, "plenty" is a relative term for Celtic myth).
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby Fakespeare » Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:43 pm

Thanks, Mr. Hoppes!

It's unfortunately very true Celtic myth doesn't come up too often (especially at the high school level). I've been to some college tournaments lately (MFT and ACF Fall) and missed a certain myth tossup to an early buzz from LASA.

So yeah, I've been seeking to widen my mythological horizons in preparation for both future tournaments and potentially college-leveled competition. Your advice is much appreciated!

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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby Shangdevin » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:36 am

David Mccullough's John Adams has helped me power almost every single question regarding colonial to early American history
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby The Two Hearts of Kwasi Boachi » Mon May 12, 2014 4:04 pm

I'd love some recommendations for books on Religion.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby zachary_yan » Mon May 12, 2014 6:52 pm

The Two Hearts of Kwasi Boachi wrote:I'd love some recommendations for books on Religion.


Sparknotes has pretty good summaries of the major books of the Bible.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby at your pleasure » Tue May 13, 2014 11:15 pm

Warlockoftheeast wrote:Is there any opinions on Europe: A History by Norman Davies? Also, does The Golden Bough have any external quizbowl purposes besides tossups about it?


My dim memory of attempting to read The Golden Bough is that there's nothing in it that you couldn't find in more recent and more worthwhile works on religion and comparative mythology.

The Two Hearts of Kwasi Boachi wrote:I'd love some recommendations for books on Religion.


Jewish Literacy by Joseph Telushkin is a perfectly cromulent survey of more or less most Judaism-related things that come up in quizbowl, although apparently the current edition has more of a wacky-right-wing slant than the one I have has. If you want to learn about Christianity for quizbowl purposes, studying art history is a surprisingly effective and memorable way to kill two birds with one stone-I suppose in this case the things to look at are survey books on Late Antique/Byzantine/Medieval/Renaissance art, so David Talbot Rice's Art of The Byzantine Era, Peter Lasko's Ars Sacra 800-1200, the catalog to the Metropolitan Museum of Art's Byzantium and Islam show, Michael Baxandall's Painting and Experience in Fifteenth Century Italy or any one of the innumerable surveys of Renaissance art will all be useful value here.
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Re: Books "for Quizbowl"

Postby jonah » Tue May 13, 2014 11:34 pm

at your pleasure wrote:
The Two Hearts of Kwasi Boachi wrote:I'd love some recommendations for books on Religion.
Jewish Literacy by Joseph Telushkin is a perfectly cromulent survey of more or less most Judaism-related things that come up in quizbowl, although apparently the current edition has more of a wacky-right-wing slant than the one I have has.
I came here to say that, then changed my mind on the assumption that no one wants to read 700 pages on this subject. Regardless, it is a very good book, nonwithstanding apparent changes in later editions.
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