CO Side Event: The Jean-Baptiste Lully Memorial

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CO Side Event: The Jean-Baptiste Lully Memorial

Post by abnormal abdomen » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:00 pm

I, Abid Haseeb, and Lloyd Sy of Rockford Auburn (IL), as well as Shantanu Jha of the University of Chicago are pleased to announce our housewritten fine arts doubles tournament as a side event on Chicago Open weekend this summer. I guess the thread for CO isn't actually up yet (at least from what I can see), but Donald Taylor said it would be a good idea to go ahead and announce this early.

The 13-round set itself will likely be written in its entirety by Lloyd, Shantanu, and me, with possible help from my older brother, Zahed, also a player on Rockford Auburn. We will be aiming for a difficulty of that of ACF Nationals. We had initially planned on this being easier than KLEE Fine Arts, but Shantanu has stated that it would be "unfortunate" to announce that, simply because as far as how much we've written thus far is concerned, it's really not easier than KLEE, and perhaps arguably harder. I should note that, in line with CO Lit, just because a work by creator X or creator X himself/herself has come up, one should not assume that creator X will not come up again. I should also note that there is a pretty good amount of easy/medium answer lines that can be gotten even by decent/good high school fine arts players; it just that those answer lines come with hard clues. Of course, there will be some pretty hard stuff tossed up. Expect lots of variability in answer lines and canon expansion here and there.

After discussing it with Shantanu, we'll be changing the distribution just a little bit from what it was in KLEE. We figured this would be a pretty good opportunity to expand the canon/represent stuff that is underrepresented in art film, for example, as well as other non-painting/classical music stuff. This is our announced distribution:

(25%) painting
(25%) classical music
(10%) opera/ballet
(9%) art film
(7.5%) sculpture
(7.5%) architecture
(6%) jazz
(10%) misc.

The cost will be a straight $10 per individual. We will allow solo teams in the event that it would make bracketing easier (e.g. going from 23 to 24 teams). At the same time, if demand should exceed 24 regular teams (or 48 people) in an inopportune manner in which we can't set up even brackets/pools, we will be willing to allow teams of 3 within reason/at our own discretion. If/when we do arrive at 24 teams, we'll have 3 brackets of 8 teams play a round-robin, then form another 4 brackets of 6 teams (top two of each prelim bracket make playoffs), with paper tiebreakers. If anyone has any alternative ideas in terms of bracketing and teams, we welcome suggestions, as we are not particularly experienced in the field of scheduling and bracketing.

Post here or email me at ahaseeb618@gmail.com (or Lloyd Sy at lloydsy94@gmail.com) in order to sign up. If you would like to mirror this, you may also email us regarding that.

If you're looking for a partner, you should just post in this thread about it. If you can staff, please let me know or email me.

Oh, I forgot to mention- this tournament will have powers and negs. Tossups will range between 6 and 9 lines (after powers are marked), on size 10 TNR w/1 inch margins.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:04 pm

So is there not going to be a lit tournament this year?
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Post by Edward Elric » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:07 pm

Oh heck yeah sign me up for this Abid, sounds awesome! I'll bring Sam along too.
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Post by abnormal abdomen » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:08 pm

Bentley Like Beckham wrote:So is there not going to be a lit tournament this year?
I honestly have no idea. Donald basically suggested that we write a fine arts tournament for CO this year, and we obliged. Don't multiple side events take place during CO weekend, anyway?
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Re: CO Side Event: The Jean-Baptiste Lully Memorial

Post by grapesmoker » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:17 pm

While I don't foresee any problem with you running this event, typically these kinds of things are coordinated with the tournament director and other people who also want to run side events. A lot of things about CO are still in the air, including date, editors, etc.
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Post by abnormal abdomen » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:22 pm

grapesmoker wrote:While I don't foresee any problem with you running this event, typically these kinds of things are coordinated with the tournament director and other people who also want to run side events. A lot of things about CO are still in the air, including date, editors, etc.
Who exactly is the TD for CO? Also, I was told that coordination and the like occurs, which is why I made a general statement of "this is happening during CO weekend". Sorry if this announcement was, uh, too spontaneous.
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Post by Lagotto Romagnolo » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:28 pm

I'd love to play this. Let me know if you want to team up. I'm pretty good at most areas of music but somewhat weak on Baroque, and I know some art as well. Some opera knowledge; don't know a thing about ballet.

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Post by Captain Sinico » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:30 pm

I want some taquitos!

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Post by grapesmoker » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:40 pm

Jacopo Robusti wrote:Who exactly is the TD for CO? Also, I was told that coordination and the like occurs, which is why I made a general statement of "this is happening during CO weekend". Sorry if this announcement was, uh, too spontaneous.
Well, we don't know. There's a good chance it will be me, but that's not 100% yet.
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Re: CO Side Event: The Jean-Baptiste Lully Memorial

Post by Charley Pride » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:29 am

I guess I'm not most qualified to speak on these questions, mainly because my brother and teammate are running it (I'll also be involved), but I've seen some of the questions, and I can assure you they'll be pretty good. I'll help make sure the set meets all standards of quality.
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Post by Dan-Don » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:20 am

Captain Sinico wrote:I want some taquitos!

MaS
Is that the old Jewish man from the Simpsons? Great reference. Anyways, I'll play with someone.
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Post by abnormal abdomen » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:32 am

Dan-Don wrote:
Captain Sinico wrote:I want some taquitos!

MaS
Is that the old Jewish man from the Simpsons? Great reference. Anyways, I'll play with someone.
No, he's making a reference to another tournament.

It won't happen, Mike.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:24 pm

On a general CO note, when is it happening this year?
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Post by abnormal abdomen » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:24 pm

Bentley Like Beckham wrote:On a general CO note, when is it happening this year?
I would like to know this as well.
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Post by Megalomaniacal Panda on Absinthe » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:21 am

I'm posting to say that I'll be working extensively on this set; I hope to make it a more tightly written and accessible version of KLEE. Since there seem to be worries about this being "Illinois high school arts" or whatever, let me assure everyone that both Abid and Lloyd are good writers and that this will be a good set.
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Post by Charley Pride » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:12 am

And thus my brother's mancrush on Shantanu continues to blossom.
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Post by Captain Sinico » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:18 pm

Huzzah!

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Post by Charley Pride » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:33 pm

Captain Sinico wrote:Huzzah!

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You should be jealous/upset. He's even thinking about taking down his Shrine to Sorice.
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Charley Pride wrote:
Captain Sinico wrote:Huzzah!

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You should be jealous/upset. He's even thinking about taking down his Shrine to Sorice.
You need to calm down.

Anyways, as Shantanu has already said, this set should be good. We're really glad to have him helping us out with this.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:43 pm

I am looking for a teammate for this. I like to think I'm an okay visual arts player, so if you know music I'd be interested in playing with you. Send me an e-mail at uwquizbowl@gmail.com
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Post by Charley Pride » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:56 pm

Something of a time/date for this thing should be decided. Who's in charge of that?
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Charley Pride wrote:Something of a time/date for this thing should be decided. Who's in charge of that?
Jerry. I don't know much about the organization of side events at CO, but I think it might be possible that exact times on them aren't set; as in, "Okay we're gonna play at the end of the day on Saturday" or something. Can someone tell me about how this all works?
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Post by itsthatoneguy » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:24 pm

This looks awesome. However, I don't think Michigan is going to CO and I really don't want to drive there all by myself to play quiz bowl for one day.
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Post by Geringer » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:03 pm

itsthatoneguy wrote:This looks awesome. However, I don't think Michigan is going to CO and I really don't want to drive there all by myself to play quiz bowl for one day.
There's probably someone driving down from that area. If you ask nicely you might be able to hitch a ride.
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Post by Cheynem » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:39 pm

Michigan people aren't coming to CO? Sad.
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Post by Quantum Mushroom Billiard Hat » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:58 pm

We may have people there. I really want to go, but I don't know what my schedule will be like. Surya was also interested. We'll talk about it at practice next week.
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Post by Broad-tailed Grassbird » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:39 am

itsthatoneguy wrote:This looks awesome. However, I don't think Michigan is going to CO and I really don't want to drive there all by myself to play quiz bowl for one day.
Even if Michigan isn't going, you are highly underestimating the number of quiz bowlers who live in the Detroit area.
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Post by magin » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:19 pm

I'm looking for someone for this event who knows painting, opera, jazz, film, and music performed by string instruments. Or if you just like the arts, that's cool too. Email me at jonathan.magin@gmail.com if interested.
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Post by Cheynem » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:12 pm

I will play this. I am not very good.
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Post by Auroni » Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:23 am

I definitely want to play this with someone better than me. Email me at auronigupta@gmail.com if interested.
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Post by abnormal abdomen » Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:24 pm

Field

Teams:

1) Chris White and Mike Bentley
2) Auroni Gupta and Eric Mukherjee
3) Charles Hang and Mike Perovanovic

Free Agents/People Who Haven't Stated They're on a Team

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Post by Auks Ran Ova » Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:25 pm

Oh, yeah, I'm definitely interested in this.
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Post by Theory Of The Leisure Flask » Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:32 pm

I'm playing this, of course*. Would be interested in a teammate who knows painting (especially pre-20th Century) and/or opera.

*Assuming the 80-90 percent likelihood I'm at CO to begin with.
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Post by gyre and gimble » Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:45 pm

Theory Of The Leisure Flask wrote:I'm playing this, of course*.

*Assuming the 80-90 percent likelihood I'm at CO to begin with.
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Post by Charbroil » Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:46 pm

I'll be either playing or staffing; I haven't decided yet. Let me know if you don't have enough staff.
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Theory Of The Leisure Flask wrote:I'm playing this, of course*. Would be interested in a teammate who knows painting (especially pre-20th Century) and/or opera.

*Assuming the 80-90 percent likelihood I'm at CO to begin with.
Chris and I will be playing this tournament together.
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Post by abnormal abdomen » Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:22 pm

Charbroil wrote:I'll be either playing or staffing; I haven't decided yet. Let me know if you don't have enough staff.
This is actually something I don't know a lot about. I want as many good fine arts players playing in this as possible, but I don't want to be short staffers in any way. Should I just simply state in the first post of this thread that, "Hey, I need staffers, post here if you want to staff"?

Basically, since I don't have a field cap as of now, I don't know how to balance staffers/players. I don't have a field cap because I really don't know how many people will be at CO, and the like.
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Post by Cheynem » Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:29 pm

Typically, CO events seem to find staffers, but I would specifically say "I need staffers. Post here or e-mail me if you want to staff."
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Post by naturalistic phallacy » Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:32 pm

I am also interested in playing this.
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Post by Auroni » Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:38 pm

Playing this with Eric Mukherjee
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Post by Edward Elric » Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:48 pm

Yeah hopefully with Sam, but if not Charles Hang would you be interested if you're not staffing? Also will this be the same day as CO Trash?
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Post by Mike Bentley » Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:58 pm

My preference would lean strongly towards Friday night.
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Bentley Like Beckham wrote:My preference would lean strongly towards Friday night.
For this, or CO Trash? Jerry told me via email that this will likely be happening on Saturday or Sunday.
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Post by Terrible Shorts Depot » Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:50 pm

If I'm at CO, I could see myself playing this. Be wary that I have very spotty knowledge of all things that aren't jazz and architecture. Anybody want to play this?
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:13 pm

Bentley Like Beckham wrote:My preference would lean strongly towards Friday night.
I think Friday night events are bad unless there are a bunch of other events and it's just impossible to run it any other time. With only 2 side events this year, there's no reason I think for this to be run on Friday.
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Post by Charbroil » Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:09 am

Edward Elric wrote:Yeah hopefully with Sam, but if not Charles Hang would you be interested if you're not staffing? Also will this be the same day as CO Trash?
I mean, I hope you don't have any delusions that I know significant amounts of information regarding Fine Arts, because beyond a surface knowledge of visual art and an even shallower knowledge of music, I'm totally useless, but assuming you don't mind that, I'd be happy to be on your team.
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Re: CO Side Event: The Jean-Baptiste Lully Memorial

Post by Auks Ran Ova » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:37 am

Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:
Bentley Like Beckham wrote:My preference would lean strongly towards Friday night.
I think Friday night events are bad unless there are a bunch of other events and it's just impossible to run it any other time. With only 2 side events this year, there's no reason I think for this to be run on Friday.
Yeah, I'd really prefer to just leave Friday and Monday for travel and keep everything to Saturday and Sunday. It makes travel much easier when people driving from, say, Minnesota don't have to leave super early to be able to fight through rush hour to get to a Friday event on time.
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Re: CO Side Event: The Jean-Baptiste Lully Memorial

Post by Mike Bentley » Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:00 am

Well, as I'm leaving on Sunday night and people don't want Friday tournaments, my new preference would be to have this on Saturday night. Nothing against Ike's tournament, but we've already had like 3 or 4 literature tournaments this year while we haven't had a Fine Arts tournament since KLEE.
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Re: CO Side Event: The Jean-Baptiste Lully Memorial

Post by Edward Elric » Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:04 am

Charbroil wrote:
Edward Elric wrote:Yeah hopefully with Sam, but if not Charles Hang would you be interested if you're not staffing? Also will this be the same day as CO Trash?
I mean, I hope you don't have any delusions that I know significant amounts of information regarding Fine Arts, because beyond a surface knowledge of visual art and an even shallower knowledge of music, I'm totally useless, but assuming you don't mind that, I'd be happy to be on your team.
It's fine. Sam hasn't gotten back to me yet and I don't think he wants to play both CO Trash and CO F.A. on the same day (If they even have them on the same day, does anyone know the schedule yet?). And Trust me you won't be totally useless.
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Re: CO Side Event: The Jean-Baptiste Lully Memorial

Post by grapesmoker » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:04 pm

Unless I misunderstood Seth in my communication with him, Friday night may not even be an option.
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