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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by JackGlerum » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:30 am

Hello Illinois Quizbowl!

Twas good to see everybody today—new and old faces alike. I read for several different teams in the morning and read the top bracket in the afternoon, so I think I now have grounds to make a “comparisons post” (as much as I like to speculate based on what I wished were true!)

First and foremost, there is parity, much like there was last year. There is an elite group, but everyone has beaten everyone and that’s a good thing. Of that elite group, I have the following observations, with no strings attached:

Auburn: Read for them the entire playoffs, so I think I have a lay of the land. A volatile team as usual; they live up to the Auburn tradition of being very, very good despite major neg issues at times. Zahed is ridiculously streaky. Some rounds he will put up less than or equal to 0 points because he negs hard, or will nail 7 tossups, which he did twice today against Ignatius. Abid is similar, just too a much lesser extent. Jordan is an important role player for this team and gets occasional science questions. Surprisingly, Lloyd is the big question mark in my mind. Perhaps I had overly-high expectations, but he seemed out of it today. 61-4 is quite the stat line, but Auburn needs him to crawl out of his shell if they want to beat everyone on a consistent basis. Then again, he’s only a sophomore.

Ignatius: Super-impressed with Deveau, though the lack of help is truly astonishing. He got a literature tossup I didn’t expect him to pick up, and generally knew a lot of stuff. He’ll always get the top individual, but needs to raise his level of play to overcome the unfortunate “choke artist” mantra that I heard from more than one person today. He and Lloyd play with a sort of stoic attitude and I think they would both benefit from more energy on the buzzer.

Carbondale: Ben has a bright future. Eccentric and seems to enjoy quizbowl and is a pleasure to moderate for (as opposed to the aforementioned Andrew and Lloyd who are like constipated owls). They were sans Jeremiah today, so I don’t have a good idea of their full potential, but I don’t doubt that they will surprise someone this year. Allison and Srinivas both got some stuff when I read for them, which was good to see.

OPRF: Another one-man team. Carbury seems like he’s “just along for the ride”, but he obviously knows some stuff. This is one of those teams who will impress at times, but will then zero a basic literature bonus, which makes me wonder how high/low their ceiling truly is.

WWS: Only saw ‘em once, but they beat Lisle, Loyola, and Auburn, so they must be somewhat legit. I thought this team would fall off the face of the earth (like WN, but much slower), but clearly I was wrong. Quinn knows stuff and has a solid supporting cast.

Loyola: I know nothing about my team! I read for them today, but I still don’t have a clear picture. Seems that they could be much better if they just pulled their head out of their collective butt. First Christian makes it to the Solo finals, and then puts up 12ppg? Don’t know how that works. Unimpressed with Marcel today, upon seeing stats. This team needs leadership.

Stevenson: Read one game for them today and am still not sure how good they are. Zach was not there. Kevin came out of freaking nowhere and knows a bunch of stuff, but was unimpressive when I read to him. To be determined.

In conclusion, I would say that the talent level is less concentrated and younger than last year. By that, I mean that the top teams of 08-09 would beat the top teams of 09-10, but that since virtually all of the top players are juniors and sophomores, this will change quickly. Also, it seems that there are generally more numbers of “good” teams this year. This might just be a change in perspective from player-to-moderator.

Too early for nationals prognostication.

As for Team Illinois, I’d say that Andrew and Lloyd are locks, and that the next few spots will be up for grabs among many, many competitors. There aren’t many pure (or even unpure) specialists, which makes it tough. Lloyd is assuredly the best Lit player in the state, which is why he’s on the list. Deveau is the best one-on-one player in the state, which is why he’s on the list. I like Ben (C-Dale) to make the team as well, but Zahed, Nolan, Marcel, Quinn, Kevin, Greg, and Ben (OPRF) all have great chances.

That’s all folks,
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Charley Pride » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:52 am

We played our worst quiz five bowl matches of the year with Jack moderating. I'm sorry, man. We're better than that.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by abnormal abdomen » Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:04 am

Oliver Ellsworth wrote:We played our worst quiz five bowl matches of the year with Jack moderating. I'm sorry, man. We're better than that.
Well, not individually, but as a collective set of afternoon matches, this is true, as evidenced by a whopping 19 (yes, 19, according to what I have written here... I don't feel like looking through the official stats right now) negs for us in playoff rounds 1-5, as opposed to a fewer 5 negs in the two championship rounds. Zahed averaged 17 ppg during that stretch, and I averaged less than 2 ppg (TWO). The Haseebs were just bad, Filip and Jordan were fairly inactive, and Lloyd was also below par.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Dan-Don » Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:07 am

Jacopo Robusti wrote:
Oliver Ellsworth wrote:We played our worst quiz five bowl matches of the year with Jack moderating. I'm sorry, man. We're better than that.
Well, not individually, but as a collective set of afternoon matches, this is true, as evidenced by a whopping 19 (yes, 19, according to what I have written here... I don't feel like looking through the official stats right now) negs for us in playoff rounds 1-5, as opposed to a fewer 5 negs in the two championship rounds. Zahed averaged 17 ppg during that stretch, and I averaged less than 2 ppg (TWO). The Haseebs were just bad, Filip and Jordan were fairly inactive, and Lloyd was also below par.
From the way you talk, it sounds as though the Scholarly Haseebs' Institute of Technology reeaaally lived up to its name. Naw...I'm just kidding. I was thoroughly impressed by what I saw of Auburn in the advantaged final.
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Post by Charley Pride » Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:50 am

Dan-Don wrote:I was thoroughly impressed.
I need us to be at the point where it's no longer impressive when we win a lot.
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Post by jdeliverer » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:03 am

Surely you want to keep impressing people, even if they already expect you to win a lot?

BTW, this was the first time I saw Auburn as a team. The team chemistry and the way you guys work together was like no team I'd seen before. It was a lot of fun to watch. :)
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Post by Dan-Don » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:05 am

Oliver Ellsworth wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:I was thoroughly impressed.
I need us to be at the point where it's no longer impressive when we win a lot.
So modest. :P
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Jane Fairfax » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:51 pm

JackGlerum wrote:(as opposed to the aforementioned Andrew and Lloyd who are like constipated owls). ][/i][/b]
This is the best quote I've ever heard.
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Post by David Riley » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:16 pm

Of course, one would naturally ask how Glerum is acquainted with said owls. :grin:
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Post by Ed McMahon » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:03 pm

JackGlerum wrote:...constipated owls.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

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Jane Fairfax wrote:
JackGlerum wrote:(as opposed to the aforementioned Andrew and Lloyd who are like constipated owls). ][/i][/b]
This is the best quote I've ever heard.
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Post by Edward Elric » Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:09 pm

Journey to the Planets wrote:
Jane Fairfax wrote:
JackGlerum wrote:(as opposed to the aforementioned Andrew and Lloyd who are like constipated owls). ][/i][/b]
This is the best quote I've ever heard.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by mlaird » Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:27 pm

Knight's Challenge is this weekend, isn't it? I have it on my schedule. Is there a field? There wasn't an official announcement, was there?

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Post by the return of AHAN » Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:53 pm

I know Dr. Greene sent me an invite, but our MSL "Pre-Season" conference tournament (varsity and frosh/soph) is Saturday, and we can't exactly duck it*.


* - and yet it's not unusual for a conference school to fail to show for any number of reasons (i.e. we couldn't get a bus, no coach available, etc.).
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Post by Jane Fairfax » Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:32 am

Yes, Knights' Challenge is this weekend. Our field currently sits at 16. We'll probably put a discussion thread after the tournament.
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Post by Edward Elric » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:03 pm

Amazingly it has a been a FULL MONTH since anyone posted here. I'll break that silence by doing a Midseason/ 2nd Half Season Illinois Rankings IMO:

1. Auburn- LloyBid + Zahed + Filip :grin: = #1. Consistently they deserve to be called the top team in the state. They are overall solid in knowledge and I expect them to win Class AA title.

2. Stevenson- After coming out of nowhere, Kevin Malis has surged this team into what I believe should be ranked 2nd. Everytime that I have observed them they play well together and have a very good chemistry between Kevin, Zach and Julia.

3. St. Ignatius - I got a great opportunity to view them at Kickoffs and they did not disappoint. Deveau has been spectacular to say the least averaging close to 100 PPG at almost all the tournaments he has gone to. His teammates also have played well, example being Jake O'shea leading all scorers at Turnabout while Deveau moderated. Depending on how much of a rampage Andrew goes on, they could be interchanged with Stevenson.

4. Loyola - Another consistent team that I have observed this year with an excellent scoring tandem from Marcel and Nolan. I was impressed when they won at Kickoff and I believe that if Christian puts up better numbers, this team can go places.

5. Carbondale - I have only viewed them a few times but what I have seen has been solid. Ben and Jeremiah are a solid tandem who won at Ultima and can cause some damage at State.

6. Lisle - I have only observed them for a match or two but Greg Dzuricsko has been performing very very well and Naiomi also gets some questions.

7. OPRF - Ben Carbury is the obvious best player on this team and because of that has brought the team from relative Obscurity to a top competitor.

8. Hobo - Dan Don has been good every time that I have seen him and his results at Huskie Bowl aren't indicative of what he can do.

9. New Trier - Steve Server is the driving force behind this team. Also Shao has rediculously awesome hair.

10. Naperville Central/ Wheaton Warrenville South - Both DVC teams are good and Krystle and Quinn, respectively have lead their teams this year. South may have the advantage only if Andy Nian gets some tossups and the rest of the South team backs him up.

Overall This is my top 10 ranking Sorry if I left out some teams. Also sorry if I made spelling mistakes as I am typing with a cast on. Peaceee
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:15 pm

I'll break that silence
Paging 2007 San Diego Padres.
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Post by Boeing X-20, Please! » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:29 pm

Springfield Grade Road wrote:Shao has rediculously awesome hair.
Nothing more true has ever been said.

In seriousness, with only 2-3 good tournaments left in the season, the top-tier seems to be much more well-defined than we had initially thought.

1. Clearly Auburn - The A Team just won Huskie without Zahed & Jordan. That's freakin' ridiculous. Sure, Lloyd is the high scorer always but Zahed is a major contributor and their PPB would not be as high as it always is without J-Hoff. To win (and almost go undefeated if not for a 20 point loss to a certain team :grin:) without those two shows a lot about this team, and of course they're very deep in many subjects.
2. Stevenson - Not only did Malis emerge from nowhere at the beginning of the year and shock, well, everybody he's continued to basically turn into just a total monster. I'd say he's top 3 in the state, and with the supporting cast he has, they should continue to be a wrecking crew to everybody except Auburn and Ignatius, with which they will have intense games. Hell, they demolished Me & Marcel this week and put up 25+ PPB.
3. Ignatius - Andrew. Deveau. That alone is enough for them to deserve this ranking. But, what has been the most amazing is that he has started to generate interest in studying and doing well at quizbowl in his teammates. When we played at Loyburn, his teammates combined for 35 points of support on solid buzzes and were genuinely helping Deveau with bonus parts. Brian's 15 ppg shows he can be counted on for a good buzz or two a match and he's only shown more improvement. With their help, Deveau is definitely able to beat either of the two teams I ranked above them as long as he doesn't negstorm, which he's been known to do (unless of course the Haseebs negstorm too, which would be a very interesting situation).
4. Us - We've beaten Ignatius in one game the entire year, two if you don't include bouncebacks. We just can't seem to take him down. Stevenson and us have traded victories quite a bit, but they're still ahead by at least 2 games. When they beat us, they completely pummel us while our wins are very closely contested. Also, they always own us on PPB & similar stats. We somehow stack up head-to-head against Auburn rather well, with a winning record against them on the season (tied if you only count games with Lloyd there), but we're much more streaky than them. Although we can take down any of those 3, it would take a very hot streak (like 9 TUs in a row) in order for us to do so.
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Post by adeveau » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:56 pm

1. Auburn is obviously the best team in the state. Unless I'm forgetting something, they've won every tournament they've entered, including ones where they were not at full strength. When their starters are there, they cover everything with depth, save music, perhaps. Although they'll likely be beaten a few more times before nationals, an enormous effort will have to be made by any teams looking to unseat them as number 1.
2/3. Stevenson/St. Ignatius We're 2-1 against Stevenson. One was decided by the last bonus part of the match. They dealt us a beatdown at Loyburn, with scoring from all of their starters. Kevin put up 65 alone. On the other hand, we beat them handedly at HFT. It's clear that they've improved significantly since then, but I think that these matches will mostly come down to the packet. We'll see, I suppose.
4. I don't know if I can fairly judge Loyola, having not seen them play Auburn or Stevenson. They obviously have good knowledge and the ability to beat any of Auburn, Ig, and Stevenson. I have to think their matches with us are anomalous.
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Post by Boeing X-20, Please! » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:57 pm

adeveau wrote:ones where they were not at full strength.
We won kickoffs.
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Post by jdeliverer » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:01 am

Springfield Grade Road wrote:Amazingly it has a been a FULL MONTH since anyone posted here. I'll break that silence by doing a Midseason/ 2nd Half Season Illinois Rankings IMO:

3. St. Ignatius - I got a great opportunity to view them at Kickoffs and they did not disappoint. Deveau has been spectacular to say the least averaging close to 100 PPG at almost all the tournaments he has gone to. His teammates also have played well, example being Jake O'shea leading all scorers at Turnabout while Deveau moderated. Depending on how much of a rampage Andrew goes on, they could be interchanged with Stevenson.
We got to play St. Ignatius at our league meet last saturday, and I agree with the above posters that Deveau's support has really picked it up since the matches I saw earlier this year. I was very impressed with Jake, who actually got as many tossups as Andrew in our game, including some very early buzzes. They're obviously very good, but I'm not sure how I'd match them vs. Loyola, who are also very good and seem less neg-prone if a little less quick.

And I finally got to play Deveau at computation :D
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Post by Charley Pride » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:16 am

Springfield Grade Road wrote:1. Auburn- LloyBid + Zahed + Filip :grin: = #1.
You can't talk about Auburn without talking about Jordan Hoffmann. As Nolan said, he's a huge aspect of our bonus conversion, and while his PPG is on the low side, he's an absolutely crucial aspect of our team. It's good to see Filip getting some credit, but, with all due respect to him, Jordan is a bigger piece. We use Filip in 5v5 because he's the best addition to our regular 4v4 lineup.
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Post by Dan-Don » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:33 am

Springfield Grade Road wrote: 7. OPRF - Ben Carbury is the obvious best player on this team and because of that has brought the team from relative Obscurity to a top competitor.
I ate lunch with Ben on Saturday, and that guy is a class act who has incredible enthusiasm for quizbowl and really wants to bring OPRF in the upper echelon of teams. And he can easily do that, now that the Prison Bowl stats indicate that he's getting support from some teammates. He just needs to put some time into studying and really master the canon.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by abnormal abdomen » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:48 pm

I, too, commend Kevin for all the work he's obviously put into his team. They won't lose anyone for next year, either, which bodes very well for the team.
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Post by jonah » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:50 pm

Jacopo Robusti wrote:They won't lose anyone for next year
I assume Julia takes great offense to that. And I don't know what year Mark is.
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Post by drose4prez » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:55 pm

jonah wrote:
Jacopo Robusti wrote:They won't lose anyone for next year
I assume Julia takes great offense to that. And I don't know what year Mark is.
Mark's a junior. And even though we lose Julia, we have 2-3 decent sophomores this year that can take her place and actually be very good if they committed to getting better/showing up.


In terms of ranking the teams in the state, I think Carbondale is a bit underrated. At Loyburn we only beat them by 20 or so and it was tied going into the last tossup. I'd group them with us, Ig, and Loyola as the 2-5 best teams in the state in some order.
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Post by abnormal abdomen » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:12 am

Hey hey hey my bad. I somehow thought she was a junior.
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Post by Dan-Don » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:24 am

Just curious: does anyone know anything about WN f/s? Who won? How were the questions?
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Post by rjaguar3 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:27 am

Stevenson beat IMSA. I still do not have statistics (Brian was supposed to e-mail them to me two weeks ago and I don't have his e-mail address.)

UPDATE: I just got the stats today and I have sent them to Jonah to upload to the IHSSBCA website. The short version:

1. Stevenson
2. IMSA
3. Lake Zurich
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Post by Edward Elric » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:51 pm

Dan-Don wrote:How were the questions?
Since I wrote some, they were obviously perfect :grin: , but seriously I got mostly positive reviews of the questions, some coaches complaining about how questions were pyramidal, length,etc. I enjoyed talking to coaches to get their feel for the questions and how much their kids knew. Mrs. O'Laughlin was very friendly to talk to and so was the Lake Zurich coach. Overall, I had good matches in the afternoon round and some good ones in the morning. I wish we could get the stats posted...

Edit: Me no good at grammar.
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Post by Deviant Insider » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:19 pm

I will not be at Masonics myself (even though my team will be) but am very curious as to question quality. If somebody could keep track of something like a Bottom 10 and email me, I would appreciate it. The closer you can come to the questions verbatim, the better.

Please don't email me parodies, because I won't be able to tell the difference and the information will be useful.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Geringer » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:59 pm

I count eight Illinois teams in the field for NSC right now. (Auburn A, Auburn B, C-Dale, He Who Must Not Be Named, Lisle, Loyola, St. Iggy, Stevenson)

1. Who else is qualified and still planning to play?
2. Who is applying for a wildcard?
3. Great job everyone!
4. Stevenson attended the 2001 NSC. What the hell?
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Post by David Riley » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:05 pm

If they're interested, I think Wheaton-Warrenville could probably apply for a wildcard slot.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:17 pm

Wheaton-Warrenville South is qualified (at a platinum tournament, no less).
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Post by David Riley » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:21 pm

Hmm...hope they register, they have a very enthusiastic team.
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Post by Dan-Don » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:53 pm

Halakis wrote:4. Stevenson attended the 2001 NSC. What the hell?
EDIT: stupidity
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by AKKOLADE » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:07 pm

Stevenson is registered. They're the first team listed in our field, in fact (alphabetical order, by full school name).
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Deviant Insider » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:18 pm

In 2001, Rob Grierson decided to take Team Illinois, which had been formed for PAC and which starred Yogesh Raut, to PACE NSC, which nobody in Illinois really knew anything about at the time. Three Stevenson students who did not make Team Illinois decided they wanted to play too, and they recruited a New Trier student to join them. Because IHSA rules at the time did not allow any playing outside of the season, PACE decided to grant an exemption to their rules and allowed the combined teams to play. PACE put in some stipulation that the Illinois teams were not allowed to finish in the top few places which ended up not making a difference. IHSA allowed All-Star Teams, and the Stevenson/New Trier students were all seniors not really affiliated with their schools, so they just decided that they could ignore IHSA Rules. Some of the other coaches at NSC were upset that their teams had to play combined teams, so PACE probably would not do that again.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Dan-Don » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:18 pm

The Granny wrote:Stevenson is registered. They're the first team listed in our field, in fact (alphabetical order, by full school name).
Oh yeah...I missed their name when I read Jeff's post.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by jdeliverer » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:25 pm

IDK if there is still a thread to discuss Masonics, but Latin won our sectional in a tight game in the finals against Lisle after Lisle and Latin easily swept their pools and playoffs. The lectures were fun and informative. :roll:
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:26 pm

jdeliverer wrote:IDK if there is still a thread to discuss Masonics, but Latin won our sectional in a tight game in the finals against Lisle after Lisle and Latin easily swept their pools and playoffs. The lectures were fun and informative. :roll:
It's in AHAN, where it belongs. :smile:
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by the return of AHAN » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:53 pm

In the Mid-Suburban League Championships...

Frosh/Soph: Barrington 245 - Buffalo Grove 190

Varsity: Fremd 426 - Buffalo Grove 358

EDIT: to provide the final score of the varsity game
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by dtaylor4 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:35 am

Hey:

In case you weren't aware, the ABT is running a college tournament, and we could use some more teams. Email Charles if you're interested.

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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:36 pm

Good luck to everyone tomorrow at the legitimate state championship!
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by the return of AHAN » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:03 pm

Yeah, so I was reading the IHSA Terms & Conditions in preparation for tomorrow and see this nugget..
IHSA T&C wrote:When there are a large number of spectators watching a match the preferred setup is to have the teams positioned in a chevron (V-shape), with moderator at the point of the V, all facing the coaches, reserve players, and spectators.
So, one question... how does the moderator NOT face the players? He or she just looks down a row, with 5 lights arranged in about a 5 to 10 degree arc of their line of sight? While the players must twist their necks and/or bodies 90 degrees to see the moderator? Am I the only one thinks this is really dumb? It certainly does explain, however, why I see some rooms arranged like this when I accompany the BHS team to conference meets (at which point I immediately start re-arranging the furniture).
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by David Riley » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:37 pm

I think this rule was probably written to simulate a TV quiz show atmospehre. In our usual setup, the moderator and spectators can see the players, but the spectators cannot see (or, see only the back of) the moderator. This V-arragement alledgedly has spectators seeing everyone, but I've found it only works if you have decent-sized tables in each room rather than desks.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by jonah » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:38 pm

Do you mean to say the IHSA Terms and Conditions contain some really stupid things?!
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Post by Dresden_The_BIG_JERK » Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:22 pm

Yeah, I was just reading through the T&C in prep of moderating today...a top 10 list of "oy" is easily doable and probably forthcoming.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by rjaguar3 » Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:43 pm

How about this one?
T&C VIII.P.8 wrote: There will be no less than five
computational math, not more that 1 computational
science, at least 4 computational total.
All computational toss-up questions will be
from either the math or science categories.
EDIT: I just e-mailed Mr. McGraw about this.
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