2018 HSNCT discussion

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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby jonah » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:30 pm

Conversion stats are now available (including by individual parts of bonuses), so please let me know if you'd like to see anything. I think the only requests that have been mentioned in this thread so far are the following:

Karansebes Schnapps Vendor wrote:Also, if/when conversion stats go up would I be able to see conversion stats on the wave theory tossup (round 10) and Portugal (lit tossup from Round 26?)
Wave theory: 3/68/36 in all 88 rooms (81% conversion is good, 3% power is not good, 41% negs is yikes).
Portugal: 6/3/1 in all nine rooms (probably too small a sample to be useful, but 100% conversion is great, 67% power is high but plausible for late-ish playoffs, 11% neg is kinda high but again sample the sample size)
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby connor.mayers » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:47 pm

Could you post the conversion stats for the Black Panther Party tossup (sometime in lateish playoffs) as well as the bonus that had the Socialist Workers Party as a third part (round 13 iirc). Could you also post the stats for the most powered and the least powered tossups as well as most 30d and most bageled bonuses?
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Thiccasso's Guernthicca » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:50 pm

Could you post a few of the least converted tossup answerlines? I have a feeling that the Emcee from Cabaret tossup might be one of them.
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Important Bird Area » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:01 pm

Thiccasso's Guernthicca wrote:Could you post a few of the least converted tossup answerlines? I have a feeling that the Emcee from Cabaret tossup might be one of them.


1/0/4 in nine rooms, which is less than ideal.

Minimum of seventy rooms, below 40% conversion:

mass spectrometry
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Sonia Gandhi
St. Anthony
Ryan Zinke
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Chinese opera
Vincenzo Bellini
May 1968
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby jonah » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:04 pm

connor.mayers wrote:Could you post the conversion stats for the Black Panther Party tossup (sometime in lateish playoffs)
Powered in all nine rooms; no negs. (9/0/0)

connor.mayers wrote:as well as the bonus that had the Socialist Workers Party as a third part (round 13 iirc).
Read in 87 rooms. Frederick Douglass (part A) got 51 correct answers (59%), Jesse Jackson (Sr.) got 37 (43%), and the Socialist Workers Party got 31 (36%). There were 10 thirties, 29 twenties, 31 tens, and 17 zeroes for 13.7 points per room.

connor.mayers wrote:Could you also post the stats for the most powered and the least powered tossups
Three tossups were read in at least five rooms and powered in all of them: The Glass Menagerie (seven rooms), the Black Panther Party (nine rooms), and Philadelphia from painting clues (five rooms). The most-powered tossup read in at least ten rooms was gerrymandering (in current events; 23/2/0 in 25 rooms for 92% power). The most powered tossup read in all 88 prelim rooms was Hephaestus (round 7, 77/9/5 for 88% power). The most powered tossup read in all 88 afternoon-session rooms was Ajit Pai (73/14/1 for 83%).

The following tossups were read in at least ten rooms and never powered: nylon (chemistry; 11 rooms), scarab (mixed; 15 rooms), Joe Arpaio (87 rooms), King Solomon (39 rooms), rights (in jurisprudence and political philosophy; all 88 rooms), the printing press (in history; 18 rooms), Robert Graves (11 rooms), sampling (math, 76 rooms), Scheherezade (54 rooms), tonsils (15 rooms), "In the Penal Colony" (85 rooms), Livy (87 rooms), the Akkadian empire (85 rooms), phosphorescence (87 rooms), the main sequence (57 rooms), and Sonia Gandhi (all 88 rooms).

connor.mayers wrote:as well as most 30d and most bageled bonuses?
Most 30ed: the bonus on most-downvoted posts in the history of Reddit (57 thirties; read in all 88 rooms; 26.25 points per room).

Most bageled: FTP/TCP/SSH (65 zeroes; read in all 88 rooms; 4.43 points per room).

Two bonuses were read in at least five rooms and got thirtied across the board: Kinshasa/Swahili/Brazzaville (9 rooms) and Julian Assange/Ecuador/internet access (9 rooms).

The bonus that achieved the lowest points per room was the one on Thomas Wolfe/Eugene Gant/Maxwell Perkins (38 rooms in round 23, 4.21 points per room).
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Iamteehee » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:12 pm

Can I see the main sequence tossup?
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Important Bird Area » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:25 pm

2018 HSNCT round 9 wrote:A technique of "fitting" named for this feature matches its observed appearance for an open cluster with its theoretical structure, allowing the cluster's apparent magnitude to be converted to a distance. This feature consists of objects that are powered by the proton-proton chain or CNO cycle. Hot (*) O and B stars dominate the upper left of—for 10 points—what prominent diagonal feature on the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram?
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby joshxu » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:31 pm

Can I see the conversion stats for Lot and Gag Rules (both round 9), Pittsburgh Penguins, Morales, and Teapot Dome (all round 14), and Ted Cruz (round 23)?
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Important Bird Area » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:36 pm

joshxu wrote:Can I see the conversion stats for Lot and Gag Rules (both round 9), Pittsburgh Penguins, Morales, and Teapot Dome (all round 14), and Ted Cruz (round 23)?


Lot: 24/56/11 in 88 rooms

gag rule: 6/53/17 in 88 rooms

Penguins: 1/82/40 in 88 rooms

Morales: 12/41/6 in 88 rooms

Teapot Dome: 41/46/8 in 88 rooms

Ted Cruz: 4/31/14 in 38 rooms
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Banana Stand » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:58 pm

Can I see the tossup on “In the Penal Colony“?
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Important Bird Area » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:44 pm

2018 HSNCT round 20 wrote:A character in this story laments a "squeaky wheel," a "torn strap," and "disgusting felt" that makes another character vomit. A gravestone in this story instructs "have faith and wait" to followers of the Old (*) Commandant. In this story, a machine made up of a "bed," a "harrow," and an "inscriber" carves the text of broken laws into criminals' bodies. For 10 points—name this story about a gruesome execution device by Franz Kafka.
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby joshxu » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:00 pm

Can I see both the tossups and the conversion stats for Sonia Gandhi and cyanobacteria (both round 19)?
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Important Bird Area » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:09 pm

joshxu wrote:Can I see both the tossups and the conversion stats for Sonia Gandhi and cyanobacteria (both round 19)?


2018 HSNCT round 19 wrote:This politician's behind-the-scenes power is the subject of the book The Accidental Prime Minister. She and her son were accused of taking an illegal loan in the National Herald scandal. This woman declined the premiership in 2004 in favor of (*) Manmohan Singh. In 2017 she retired as leader of the Congress Party. For 10 points—name this Italian-Indian politician who is the mother of Rahul, and daughter-in-law of Indira.


0/31/32 in 88 rooms

2018 HSNCT round 19 wrote:Several members of this phylum synthesize the pigment scytonemin, which provides protection from UV. Members of this phylum's genus Arthrospira are used in the food supplement spirulina. These organisms and the more complex Rhodophyta use phycobilisomes in their (*) thylakoids to aid in photosynthesis. Endosymbiotic theory holds that chloroplasts came from—for 10 points—what prokaryotes sometimes named for two colors?

answer: cyanobacteria ["sigh"-ANN-oh-"bacteria"] (or cyanobacterium or blue-green algae or blue-green alga)


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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby A Very Long Math Tossup » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:49 am

Can we see the text of the May 1968 tossup and the FTP/TCP/SSH bonus?
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Benin Rebirth Party » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:03 am

Can I see the conversion and text of the questions on Robert Schumann and coins (math/cs)

I know this would be unprotestable, but Sibelius is imo better known for his only VC being in D-minor

For the coins tossup, I am interested to see what acceptable other answers would be, since the problems in the early parts of the tossup deal with change making in general.

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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Important Bird Area » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:05 am

2018 HSNCT round 11 wrote:Raymond Aron's The Elusive Revolution calls this month a "psychodrama" in which nothing real happened. Slogans from Raoul Vaneigem and other members of the Situationist International were graffitied during this month, when Daniel Cohn-Bendit became prominent. The (*) Grenelle accords ended a wildcat strike during—for 10 points—what month, when Charles de Gaulle fled to Germany as a student protest seized Paris?


2018 HSNCT round 20 wrote:This protocol has two common modes—"ASCII" and "binary"—which determine how newline characters are handled. For 10 points each—

A. Port 21 is the default port for what insecure protocol designed for transmitting resources like a program, a spreadsheet, or an image?

answer: FTP (or File Transfer Protocol; do not accept or prompt on "FTPS" or "SFTP" or "Simple File Transfer (Protocol)" or "SSH File Transfer (Protocol)")

B. FTP is built atop this networking protocol that adds connections and delivery guarantees to the Internet Protocol, or IP.

answer: TCP (or Transmission Control Protocol; accept TCP/IP)

C. For secure transfers, FTP has been largely superseded by SCP, which transfers files over this protocol used to log in to remote computers.

answer: SSH (or Secure Shell)
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Important Bird Area » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:07 am

2018 HSNCT round 23 wrote:This composer's only violin concerto, in D minor, was thought too "morbid" to be performed by Joseph Joachim. The four movements of his D-minor fourth symphony are played without pause. A trombone chorale opens the fourth movement of this composer's E-flat-major (*) third symphony, which has five movements and is named for a river. For 10 points—name this composer of the Spring and Rhenish symphonies.


1/28/23 in 38 rooms

2018 HSNCT round 21 wrote:Henri Picciotto phrased a problem about these things in terms of boxes of chicken nuggets. Frobenius numbers answer the question "What is the largest amount that can't be made by combining" these things. Balance puzzles ask you to find a cannonball or one of these objects with a (*) different weight than others. A Bernoulli trial with a 1/2 chance of success is equivalent to—for 10 points—flipping a "fair" object of what kind?

answer: coins (accept fair coins)


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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Euouae » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:52 pm

Can I see the text for the tossup on Livy, and the conversion stats for the tossup on "pigeonhole principle"?
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Important Bird Area » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:10 pm

2018 HSNCT round 6 wrote:This author inspired a work dedicated to Zanobi Buondelmonti and Cosimo Ruccelai, who were in the Circle of the Orti Orcellari [OR-tee or-kel-AR-ee]. This author's major work, which was written in sections called "pentads," ends by discussing the death of (*) Drusus. A commentary on ten of this man's 142 books focuses on republics, and repeats ideas from The Prince. For 10 points—what Roman historian inspired "discourses" by Niccol\'o Machiavelli?

answer: Livy [LIH-vee] (or Titus Livius; accept Discourses on the First Ten Books of Livy)


pigeonhole principle: 12/13/1 in 25 rooms
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby connor.mayers » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:43 pm

Could I also see the conversion stats for the Gatsby bonus?
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Important Bird Area » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:14 am

Nick Carraway: 3 rooms out of 5
Great Gatsby: all 5 rooms
orgastic future: 2 rooms out of 5
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby joshxu » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:35 pm

Can I see conversion stats for the witches tossup in round 19 and the knuckleball/Tim Wakefield/Phil Niekro bonus in round 26?
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Mike Bentley » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:40 pm

Might I offer a suggestion? This thread would be more informative for players and writers if rather than just asking for a question or conversion stats you asked for why you were interested in that data. For instance, "I thought that the question on X had an awfully hard leadin. Could I see the full text of it and conversion stats to confirm this?"
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Cheynem » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:53 pm

Would things be simplified if the conversion data on every question was just publicly available? I apologize if they already are, but if they are, then I don't understand why people keep requesting to see them.
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby jonah » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:57 pm

Cheynem wrote:Would things be simplified if the conversion data on every question was just publicly available? I apologize if they already are, but if they are, then I don't understand why people keep requesting to see them.
NAQT does not, and does not plan to, make all conversion data available, but we're happy to take reasonable numbers of requests. I endorse Mike's suggestion that people articulate the reason for their request.
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby joshxu » Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:14 pm

Mike Bentley wrote:Might I offer a suggestion? This thread would be more informative for players and writers if rather than just asking for a question or conversion stats you asked for why you were interested in that data. For instance, "I thought that the question on X had an awfully hard leadin. Could I see the full text of it and conversion stats to confirm this?"


I guess I'll say why I want to see conversion stats for those two. For the witches tossup: my team lost in round 19 on the last question (#22 in the packet), and if we had tied the game, I'm curious as to how teams did on the last tossup in the packet which would've been read in a theoretical overtime. For the baseball bonus: I feel that the Tim Wakefield (who has been retired for seven years) and Phil Niekro (who, despite being a Hall of Famer, isn't a household name) bonus parts were both really obscure, and I want to see how the remaining playoff teams did.
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Progcon » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:00 pm

joshxu wrote:
Mike Bentley wrote:Might I offer a suggestion? This thread would be more informative for players and writers if rather than just asking for a question or conversion stats you asked for why you were interested in that data. For instance, "I thought that the question on X had an awfully hard leadin. Could I see the full text of it and conversion stats to confirm this?"


I guess I'll say why I want to see conversion stats for those two. For the witches tossup: my team lost in round 19 on the last question (#22 in the packet), and if we had tied the game, I'm curious as to how teams did on the last tossup in the packet which would've been read in a theoretical overtime. For the baseball bonus: I feel that the Tim Wakefield (who has been retired for seven years) and Phil Niekro (who, despite being a Hall of Famer, isn't a household name) bonus parts were both really obscure, and I want to see how the remaining playoff teams did.


Wakefield and Niekro are easily among the most notable knuckleball-pitchers of recent history. This is a very reasonable bonus for this difficulty IMO.
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Auks Ran Ova » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:53 pm

Progcon wrote:Wakefield and Niekro are easily among the most notable knuckleball-pitchers of recent history. This is a very reasonable bonus for this difficulty IMO.


The second sentence here does not follow from the first.
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Progcon » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:38 pm

Auks Ran Ova wrote:
Progcon wrote:Wakefield and Niekro are easily among the most notable knuckleball-pitchers of recent history. This is a very reasonable bonus for this difficulty IMO.


The second sentence here does not follow from the first.


Maybe asking for like the team RA Dickey played for last year or whatever is preferable (Atlanta Braves if people care), but Wakefield and Niekro are sufficiently famous to be asked about.

However, it is possible that I think Tim Wakefield is not that hard because I was paying attention to MLB when he was still an active player with Boston. If this is the hardest sports bonus in HSNCT, it's not egregious even though it's certainly hard. I've always maintained that sports bonuses and questions in general are either feast or famine. If you watch sports and pay attention, they are gimmes, but if you don't actively care about sports (or that particular sport) then they seem impossible. Didn't Don Wakamatsu come up at HSNCT last year? Asking for him seems harder than either of these players.
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby AGoodMan » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:24 pm

Is there is a significant difficulty difference between Wakefield and Niekro? I think that's more the issue than anything else. Maybe knuckleball / Dickey / Niekro may have been better?
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby browen » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:45 pm

About this baseball bonus. It was played in Round 26, which featured a total of nine games. Just PM someone from each match to get the conversion data if you really want to get to the bottom of it. Northview swept the bonus in the Northview-Stevenson game, although several of the Northview players are avid fans of the Braves so Phil Niekro was a gimme to them.
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Re: 2018 HSNCT discussion

Postby Important Bird Area » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:34 pm

joshxu wrote:Can I see conversion stats for the witches tossup in round 19 and the knuckleball/Tim Wakefield/Phil Niekro bonus in round 26?


Knuckleball: six rooms out of nine
Wakefield: two rooms out of nine
Niekro: one rooms out of nine

witches: 1/17/1 in 19 rooms
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