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2018 HSNCT discussion

Post by Important Bird Area » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:31 am

This is your question-specific discussion thread for the 2018 NAQT HSNCT.

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1) If you are planning to play a mirror of the 2018 HSNCT set, please do not read further posts in this thread. (There is one mirror currently scheduled, at Toronto in early July; it's possible we may add other mirrors to our schedule.)

2) I will be traveling for most of the next week, so please be patient if I do not respond immediately to requests for question text.
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Post by dnlwng » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:37 pm

Can I see the tossup on "relatively prime"? I negged it with "a + b = c" on the leadin, but I might have misheard what exactly it was asking for.
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Post by Iamteehee » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:41 pm

I remember the abc conjecture clue was trying to get how on the statement of the conjecture, a and b have to be relatively prime. I found it really hard to parse and convert during game speed though.
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Post by A_Failure » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:11 pm

Given that the Morning and Afternoon sessions essentially use different question sets, would it make more sense to split the scoring awards between sessions (i.e. 20 All-Stars from the morning and 20 from the Afternoon)?

Also, could I please see the tossups on May 1968 (from Round 11), Nazi Germany (Round 18), and the Lincoln assassination (Round 22)?
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Post by Karansebes Schnapps Vendor » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:45 pm

Could I see the tossup on "Special Relativity" from round 27? Also, if/when conversion stats go up would I be able to see conversion stats on the wave theory tossup (round 10) and Portugal (lit tossup from Round 26?) Also also, am I allowed to ask what the distribution ended up being in round 27? That round felt somewhat skewed in terms of what categories came up to me. Thank you in advance, and thanks for all of the hard work that went into this set! This was overall easily my favorite NAQT set I have played ever and had some of the best science tossups I have heard this year.
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Post by Thiccasso's Guernthicca » Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:47 pm

Could I please see the tossups on Woolf, flute, The Emcee from Cabaret, and Primavera?
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Post by JKHtay » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:50 pm

Could I please see the question on the Prime Directive?
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Post by matt34 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:32 pm

Can I see the tossup on Logan Paul and the first part of the Italian facism/Pirandello/six characters in search of an author bonus? Thanks.
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Post by jonah » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:55 pm

dnlwng wrote:Can I see the tossup on "relatively prime"? I negged it with "a + b = c" on the leadin, but I might have misheard what exactly it was asking for.
Three numbers must have this property in a claim, possibly proven in 2012 by Shinichi Mochizuki via "interuniversal Teichm\"uller theory," called the abc conjecture. The number of natural numbers under n that have this property with respect to n is (*) phi of n, where phi is the totient function. A fraction is in least terms if its numerator and denominator have—for 10 points—what property, meaning their GCF is 1?

answer: relative primality or co-primality (accept relatively prime or co-prime or mutual primality or mutually prime; do not accept or prompt on "primality" or "prime")
Iamteehee wrote:I remember the abc conjecture clue was trying to get how on the statement of the conjecture, a and b have to be relatively prime. I found it really hard to parse and convert during game speed though.
I'm sorry to hear that. I wouldn't really have thought of "a + b = c" as being a "this property," but I guess it plausibly is. If I recall correctly, the protest I heard about this ended up being moot.

A_Failure wrote:Given that the Morning and Afternoon sessions essentially use different question sets, would it make more sense to split the scoring awards between sessions (i.e. 20 All-Stars from the morning and 20 from the Afternoon)?
In my opinion, no. The sessions mix at the end, their strength may be uneven, and for many, many years the All-Stars have heard different questions anyway (due to byes).
A_Failure wrote:Also, could I please see the tossups on May 1968 (from Round 11), Nazi Germany (Round 18), and the Lincoln assassination (Round 22)?
Raymond Aron's The Elusive Revolution calls this month a "psychodrama" in which nothing real happened. Slogans from Raoul Vaneigem and other members of the Situationist International were graffitied during this month, when Daniel Cohn-Bendit became prominent. The (*) Grenelle accords ended a wildcat strike during—for 10 points—what month, when Charles de Gaulle fled to Germany as a student protest seized Paris?

answer: May 1968 (prompt on "May")


In this country, Hjalmar Schacht introduced IOUs called Mefo Bills to hide government subsidies to arms manufacturers. Industrialists from this country were prosecuted in the IG Farben Trial and the (*) Krupp Trial for using slave labor, and its chemical industry invented the poison gas Zyklon B. For 10 points—name this country where many industrialists were tried for war crimes at Nuremberg after World War II.

answer: Germany (or Deutschland or Deutsches Reich; accept Nazi Germany or the Third Reich)


Joseph B. Stewart chased this event's perpetrator, who stabbed William Withers Jr. as he fled. This event coincided with Asa Trenchard calling Mrs. Mountchessington a "sockdologizing old man-trap" and occurred in a set of (*) box seats containing Henry Rathbone. Its perpetrator caught his boot spur on a flag as he jumped and shouted "Sic semper tyrannis!" For 10 points—name this crime carried out at Ford's Theater in 1865.

answer: assassination of Abraham Lincoln (accept any reasonable answer containing Lincoln and the notion of John Wilkes Booth murdering or shooting or killing him)

Karansebes Schnapps Vendor wrote:Could I see the tossup on "Special Relativity" from round 27? Also, if/when conversion stats go up would I be able to see conversion stats on the wave theory tossup (round 10) and Portugal (lit tossup from Round 26?) Also also, am I allowed to ask what the distribution ended up being in round 27? That round felt somewhat skewed in terms of what categories came up to me. Thank you in advance, and thanks for all of the hard work that went into this set! This was overall easily my favorite NAQT set I have played ever and had some of the best science tossups I have heard this year.
Thanks for the kind words! Conversion stats probably won't be available for a few months, but I'll try to remember to come back to this thread when they are.

In this theory, "rapidity" is additive, but velocities are combined using a hyperbolic addition formula. Since inner products in this theory are not positive-definite, a reverse triangle inequality holds inside the (*) light cone, leading to the "twin paradox." A four-dimensional manifold called Minkowski space that unifies space and time is the setting of—for 10 points—what theory that Albert Einstein promulgated in 1905?

answer: (theory of) special relativity (or the special theory of relativity; prompt on "relativity" or "SR"; do not accept or prompt on "general relativity" or "GR")


The round 27 distribution by top-level category (let me know if that's not what you wanted) was as follows: 1/2 current events, 2/2 fine arts, 2/1 geography, 4/5 history, 5/4 literature, 1/2 mixed, 0/1 mythology, 2/1 pop culture/sports, 5/5 science, 1/1 social science, and 1/0 theology/philosophy.

Thiccasso's Guernthicca wrote:Could I please see the tossups on Woolf, flute, The Emcee from Cabaret, and Primavera?
A book by this author is framed as answers to three letters, the first of which asks "how should war be prevented?". In an essay, this author describes reading a Mary Carmichael book and being shocked to encounter the line "Chloe liked Olivia". This author of Three Guineas argued that (*) money and a particular place are required for women to produce fiction. For 10 points—name this author of "A Room of One's Own."

answer: (Adeline) Virginia Woolf (or Adeline Virginia Stephen)


This instrument gave its name to the first of Claude Debussy's Chansons de Bilitis. C\'ecile Chaminade wrote a Concertino for this instrument that was performed by Marcel Moyse. Georges Barr\`ere had Edgard Var\`ese write (*) Density 21.5 for one of these instruments made of platinum. Jean-Pierre Rampal played this instrument, which opens Debussy's Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun. For 10 points—name this reedless woodwind.

answer: flutes (accept panpipes or La fl\ute de Pan before "viola") [Debussy's piece for solo flute is called Syrinx.]


Alan Cumming won a 1998 Best Leading Actor Tony Award for playing this character. This character sings "if you could see her through my eyes / you wouldn't wonder at all" while standing next to a girl in a gorilla suit. He notes "here even the orchestra is beautiful" in a song that he begins by singing (*) "Willkommen, bienvenue, welcome." For 10 points—name this character who heads up the show at the Kit Kat Klub in Cabaret.

answer: (the) Emcee (or Master of Ceremonies; prompt on "Cabaret" before "character")


According to Erwin Panofsky's Neoplatonic interpretation of this painting, it depicts a "natural" figure, whose "celestial" counterpart appears in this painting's companion piece. The fruit in this painting may represent the Medici coat of arms. Flowers spring from (*) Chloris's mouth as she is pursued by the blue-skinned Zephyr in—for 10 points—what Botticelli painting that depicts Venus in an orange grove?

answer: La Primavera (or The Allegory of Spring) [Panofsky proposed that the Primavera and The Birth of Venus contained related Neoplatonic symbolism.]

JKHtay wrote:Could I please see the question on the Prime Directive?
This concept has an exception that mandates the destruction of omega molecules. It was first mentioned in "The Return of the Archons," and further explored in "A Piece of the Action," which depicted the influence of a book about Chicago mobsters. In general, this rule prohibits (*) interference with civilizations that have not developed warp capacity. Starfleet's General Order 1 is—for 10 points—what Star Trek "directive"?

answer: prime directive (accept Non-Interference Directive before "interference"; accept Starfleet General Order No. 1 before "general"; accept prime after "directive")
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Post by 1992 in spaceflight » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:54 am

Can I see the Brandenburg Gate tossup? One of my players negged the Brandenburg Gate tossup with the Reichstag. Given that they are next to each other and the thing on the top mentioned in the leadin is on both the Recihstag and the Brandenburg Gate (according to people who have actually been in Germany), that clue definitely seems...suboptimal, but I'd like to see it again.
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1992 in spaceflight wrote:Can I see the Brandenburg Gate tossup? One of my players negged the Brandenburg Gate tossup with the Reichstag. Given that they are next to each other and the thing on the top mentioned in the leadin is on both the Recihstag and the Brandenburg Gate (according to people who have actually been in Germany), that clue definitely seems...suboptimal, but I'd like to see it again.
This landmark leads into a boulevard lined with linden trees that spent nearly 30 years as a dead-end street. The principal road through the Tiergarten park ends at this landmark. After the Battle of Jena, (*) Napoleon stripped off the quadriga, or four-horsed chariot, that tops this structure. Frederick William II ordered the construction of—for 10 points—what neoclassical "gate" in Berlin?

answer: Brandenburg Gate (or Brandenburger Tor)


As far as I can tell from Google Maps, the Unter den Linden fits the Brandenburg Gate clue much better than it would the Reichstag, and likewise with the next sentence about the Strasse des 17 Juni; furthermore I can't quickly find any evidence that the Reichstag had or has a quadriga.
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matt34 wrote:Can I see the tossup on Logan Paul and the first part of the Italian facism/Pirandello/six characters in search of an author bonus? Thanks.
This man's conduct was described as "abhorrent and mutton-headed" in a letter from Maverick Apparel that demanded he change the name of his clothing line. This man stated "this was all a joke—why did it become so real?" while wearing a (*) Toy Story alien hat in an incident intended to be a part of his "Tokyo Adventures" series. For 10 points—name this vlogger who uploaded a video of a hanging in Japan's "suicide forest."

answer: Logan (Alexander) Paul


The poet Gabriele d'Annunzio tried to influence this movement. For 10 points each—

A. Name this political movement that melted the 1934 Nobel Prize in Literature medal for military use in Ethiopia.

answer: Italian Fascism (or Italian Fascist movement or Fascismo)
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Post by Couch's Kingbird » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:37 pm

From my notes: GK Chesterton was, in my opinion, a pretty hard answerline for prelims (I played morning).
Can I see the If on a Winter's Night a Traveler question? I remember something easy/obvious getting dropped in power. Also beach, France, Keats, du Maurier, Ishiguro.
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Couch's Kingbird wrote:From my notes: GK Chesterton was, in my opinion, a pretty hard answerline for prelims (I played morning).
Can I see the If on a Winter's Night a Traveler question? I remember something easy/obvious getting dropped in power. Also beach, France, Keats, du Maurier, Ishiguro.
2018 HSNCT round 4 wrote:This novel's protagonist notices that two books are different after seeing that a title contains the word "intersect" rather than "enlace." A character in this novel named Silas Flannery suffers from writer's block. The even-numbered chapters of this novel consist of the (*) first sections of ten different books, while the odd-numbered chapters are narrated in the second person. For 10 points—name this novel by Italo Calvino.
2018 HSNCT round 5 wrote:In a poem named after this type of place, the speaker claims "a vast similitude interlocks all." Another poem named for one of these places depicts a girl who cries when clouds cover the night sky. This type of place, the setting of two similarly titled poems by Walt Whitman, is also portrayed in a poem that begins "the (*) sea is calm tonight." For 10 points—a Matthew Arnold poem is named for what kind of location at Dover?

answer: beaches (accept On the Beach at Night Alone or On the Beach at Night or Dover Beach; prompt on "strand" or "shore(line)")
2018 HSNCT round 17 wrote:In one play from this country, Alan is constantly on his cell phone, dealing with the fallout from a new drug called Amtril. Yasmina Reza, the writer of God of Carnage, is from this country, which hosted the premiere of the avant-garde pastiche (*) King Ubu and the original version of Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godot. For 10 points—name this country where No Exit was written by Jean-Paul Sartre.
2018 HSNCT round 6 wrote:One poem by this author opens with a quote from Matthew chapter 6 verse 28—"they toil not, neither do they spin"—and describes a visit from the spirits of Love, Ambition, and Poesy. This author asked "what mad pursuit? What (*) struggle to escape?" in a poem whose final stanza declares that "all ye need to know" is "beauty is truth, truth beauty." For 10 points—name this author of "Ode on Indolence" and "Ode on a Grecian Urn."
2018 HSNCT round 17 wrote:Alfred Hitchcock made film adaptations of three major works by this author, including Jamaica Inn. For 10 points each—

A. Name this British author of the short story "The Birds."

answer: Daphne du Maurier (or Daphne Browning or Lady Browning)

B. Hitchcock also adapted this du Maurier novel, in which Maxim de Winter takes a new bride home to an estate called Manderley.

answer: Rebecca

C. This sinister head housekeeper at Manderley torments the unnamed narrator of Rebecca.

answer: Mrs. Danvers (accept Danny)
2018 HSNCT round 4 wrote:In one novel by this author, a surgeon accidentally saws off the wooden leg of the conductor Brodsky, who then uses an ironing board as a crutch. This author of The Unconsoled created a character who feels professionally obliged to "banter" with (*) Mr. Farraday, the new owner of Darlington Hall. For 10 points—name this author who depicted Miss Kenton's subdued romance with the butler Stevens in The Remains of the Day.
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Post by Thiccasso's Guernthicca » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:21 pm

Were there repeated answerlines (but not repeated question content necessarily) between the morning and afternoon rounds? I recall playing Keats and Ishiguro tossups, although I do believe they were slightly different in terms of question content.
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Thiccasso's Guernthicca wrote:Were there repeated answerlines (but not repeated question content necessarily) between the morning and afternoon rounds? I recall playing Keats and Ishiguro tossups, although I do believe they were slightly different in terms of question content.
Yes. To a first approximation, in the sense of repeats we treated Saturday morning session plus all of Sunday as one set, and Saturday afternoon session plus all of Sunday as one set, so there were some significant repeats between pairs of questions that no team played both of.
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Post by Important Bird Area » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:30 pm

Yes, it was possible for the same answer line to appear in both the morning and afternoon sessions.
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Post by Rather Wild Indeed » Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:08 am

If I recall correctly, the answerline of French Resistance was repeated in two games which I played, was this intentional?
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Rather Wild Indeed wrote:If I recall correctly, the answerline of French Resistance was repeated in two games which I played, was this intentional?
I can't find any evidence this happened. I see one tossup on the French Resistance in packet 22 (second round of the playoffs); do you have any memory of when the other might have been?


To expand on Jeff's comment a bit, there are definitely also repeated answer lines in configurations that teams could have heard more than one of, but they're things like countries, numbers, and colors.
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If i recall correctly there was a tossup on tides both Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning that included a common clue between them.. May I please see the tossups on tides?
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Post by Cheynem » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:54 am

In Round 11, there's a bonus part on the James-Lange theory of emotion, and in Round 12 James is asked for and James-Lange theory is a clue. I think these were both afternoon rounds.
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benchapman wrote:If i recall correctly there was a tossup on tides both Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning that included a common clue between them.. May I please see the tossups on tides?
Here is the only tide-related tossup I can find:


The Magellanic Stream is a "tail" named for this phenomenon, caused by interactions between galaxies. "Heating" due to this phenomenon spurs Io's volcanic activity. When the rotation rate of a body is in a harmonic ratio with its orbital period, the body is said to be (*) "locked" by this phenomenon. For 10 points—name this phenomenon responsible for daily rising and falling sea levels on Earth.

answer: tidal forces (or tides; accept tidal tails or heat(ing) or locking)



You're not thinking of the Tide Pods bonus, are you? :-)
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Cheynem wrote:In Round 11, there's a bonus part on the James-Lange theory of emotion, and in Round 12 James is asked for and James-Lange theory is a clue. I think these were both afternoon rounds.
Yep, that is an accidental repeat.
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jonah wrote:
benchapman wrote:If i recall correctly there was a tossup on tides both Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning that included a common clue between them.. May I please see the tossups on tides?
Here is the only tide-related tossup I can find:


The Magellanic Stream is a "tail" named for this phenomenon, caused by interactions between galaxies. "Heating" due to this phenomenon spurs Io's volcanic activity. When the rotation rate of a body is in a harmonic ratio with its orbital period, the body is said to be (*) "locked" by this phenomenon. For 10 points—name this phenomenon responsible for daily rising and falling sea levels on Earth.

answer: tidal forces (or tides; accept tidal tails or heat(ing) or locking)



You're not thinking of the Tide Pods bonus, are you? :-)
No. I really liked it though and thought it was funny.
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Post by sharathun » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:10 pm

Could I see the tossup on bacteriophages from Round 8? I remember protesting because they were referred to as organisms, which I believe was a dispute in other rooms as well. It's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that viruses are not considered organisms, but the ruling from the control room said that they had found a source that claimed viruses were living.
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sharathun wrote:Could I see the tossup on bacteriophages from Round 8? I remember protesting because they were referred to as organisms, which I believe was a dispute in other rooms as well. It's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that viruses are not considered organisms, but the ruling from the control room said that they had found a source that claimed viruses were living.
2018 HSNCT round 8 wrote:"Helper" examples of these entities are used to engineer proteins by "displaying" them on these entities' surfaces. These organisms were used to show that mutations in bacteria are independent of selection in the Luria-Delbruck experiment. DNA was shown to be genetic material via (*) radiolabeling of these things by Alfred Hershey and Martha Chase. Lambda and T4 are types of—for 10 points—what viruses that infect bacteria?

answer: bacteriophages (accept phage display or lambda phage(s) or T4 phage(s); prompt on "viruses" before "viruses")
I'll ask our science editors about the details of the phrasing here.
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Post by CPiGuy » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:56 pm

If I recall correctly, there was a question that referred to John Kasich as the former governor of Ohio. This is wrong, as he is the current governor. I think the team I was reading to converted it anyway, but wanted to point that out.
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CPiGuy wrote:If I recall correctly, there was a question that referred to John Kasich as the former governor of Ohio. This is wrong, as he is the current governor. I think the team I was reading to converted it anyway, but wanted to point that out.
Mitch Hedberg thinks it's fine, but you recall correctly. Thanks for catching that and I'm sorry for the error.
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Post by touchpack » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:11 am

sharathun wrote:Could I see the tossup on bacteriophages from Round 8? I remember protesting because they were referred to as organisms, which I believe was a dispute in other rooms as well. It's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that viruses are not considered organisms, but the ruling from the control room said that they had found a source that claimed viruses were living.
Whether or not phages (or viruses in general) can be called organisms is largely a matter of philosophical debate--here's a scientific paper that refers to them as organisms.

It's standard practice in quizbowl to use the pronoun "organisms" to refer to viruses, because pronouns like "entities" are nonspecific and quizbowlesey, and prounouns like "infectious agents" are extremely transparent. Referring to phages as organisms is in fact optimal for quizbowl's purposes
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Post by Guile Island » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:12 am

I believe there was a tossup on the Chiefs in this tournament that referred to them as being quarterbacked by Alex Smith. That is now incorrect, as he was traded to Washington several months ago.
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Post by Subotai the Valiant, Final Dog of War » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:55 am

I recall a sports question where the first clue was about a player retiring due to blood clots (think it was hockey?). Could I see that please?
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Subotai the Valiant, Final Dog of War wrote:I recall a sports question where the first clue was about a player retiring due to blood clots (think it was hockey?). Could I see that please?
In December 2015 a player on this team was forced to retire due to persistent blood-clot issues. A player on this team is the only teenager to have won a scoring title in a North American sports league. In 2000 this team revived a familiar (*) logo, which shows an animal on skates. Goalie Matt Murray and center Sidney Crosby play on—for 10 points—what NHL team that won back-to-back Stanley Cups in 2016 and 2017?

answer: Pittsburgh Penguins (accept either underlined portion) [Pascal Dupuis retired due to blood clots.]


To possibly get ahead of a protest I heard about, Chris Bosh isn't retired and he last played in February 2016.
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Post by Geriatric trauma » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:33 pm

jonah wrote:To possibly get ahead of a protest I heard about, Chris Bosh isn't retired and he last played in February 2016.
This seems fairly nitpicky -- Bosh is all but officially retired (no team will clear him to play, and he's working as an announcer) and forcing players to remember which month of the regular season Bosh was diagnosed is rough. The protest should obviously have been denied, but it was a suboptimal clue choice.
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Post by Cheynem » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:29 pm

I wrote that question and should probably have put a clarifying point in the lead-in; I was under the impression Bosh was still playing.
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Post by joshxu » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:31 pm

Can I see questions 23 and 24 from packet 19?

Also, I recall that either packet 25 or 26 (I don't remember which) referred to Beverly Hills as a neighborhood of Los Angeles. Beverly Hills is not a neighborhood, it's a city.

In addition, I think that packet 24 had a bonus which said Michael Beasley plays for the Milwaukee Bucks. He plays for the New York Knicks now.
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Post by joshxu » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:32 pm

Also, can I see the Alberta tossup in packet 9?
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Post by joshxu » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:48 pm

I also want to see the Oakland Athletics bonus from packet 7.
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joshxu wrote:Can I see questions 23 and 24 from packet 19?
Tossups or bonuses?
2018 HSNCT round 26 wrote:In 1997 the celebrity chef Wolfgang Puck moved his flagship restaurant Spago from Hollywood to this neighborhood. For 10 points each—

A. Name this wealthy Los Angeles neighborhood, where many actors and celebrities live within the zip code 90210.

answer: Beverly Hills

B. Spago was originally on the namesake "Strip" of this Los Angeles street. In a 1950 Billy Wilder film, the aging actress Norma Desmond lives in a mansion on this street.

answer: Sunset Boulevard (accept Sunset Strip; do not accept or prompt on "Sunset Street" or other putative synonyms for "boulevard") [The film is titled Sunset Boulevard.]

C. Sunset Boulevard marks the north end of this high-end shopping street in Beverly Hills.

answer: Rodeo Drive (do not accept or prompt on "Rodeo Street" or answers with other putative synonyms for "drive")
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2018 HSNCT round 9 wrote:Visitors to this province can climb inside a 86-foot-high fiberglass T-Rex in the town of Drumheller. In this province, the Icefields Parkway passes by sights such as the turquoise-colored Lake Louise and the (*) Athabasca Glacier. Banff National Park is along the west border of this province, whose economy is supported by oil sands. For 10 points—name this Canadian province whose most populous city is Calgary.
2018 HSNCT round 7 wrote:Michael Lewis's book Moneyball describes how this baseball team exploited market inefficiencies to succeed despite a small budget. For 10 points each—

A. Name this American League team based in the Bay Area.

answer: Oakland Athletics (or Oakland A's; accept any underlined portion)

B. This Hall of Fame second baseman and former ESPN commentator erroneously claimed that A's general manager Billy Beane had written Moneyball.

answer: Joe (Leonard) Morgan

C. In 2014 Beane traded this All-Star third baseman to the Blue Jays in exchange for Brett Lawrie and three minor-leaguers.

answer: Josh Donaldson (or Joshua Adam Donaldson)
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Post by joshxu » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:23 am

Important Bird Area wrote:
joshxu wrote:Can I see questions 23 and 24 from packet 19?
Tossups or bonuses?
That would be the tossups, thanks.
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2018 HSNCT round 19 wrote: After answering a woman's "hard questions," this man receives an "abundance of spices." This man ordered Benaiah to kill Adonijah in the first book of Kings, which also relates his meeting with the (*) Queen of Sheba. This ruler oversaw the construction of the First Temple and is credited with writing Proverbs in middle age, Song of Songs in his youth, and Ecclesiastes in old age. For 10 points—name this wise king of Israel.

answer: Solomon (or Shlomo or Slomo; accept Jedidiah)

A medical phenomenon in which newborns lactate is named for this type of person. Heinrich Kramer described these people in a medieval treatise called the (*) Malleus Maleficarum. One of these people declares "by the pricking of my thumbs / something wicked this way comes," and is called a "weird sister" in Macbeth. For 10 points—name these people who were "hunted" in the 1690s during a series of trials in Salem.

answer: witches (accept witch's milk or Hammer of Witches or Salem witch trials; accept neonatal milk secretion before "Kramer"; accept weird sisters between "pricking" and "weird"; do not accept or prompt on "sorceress" or other similar terms)
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Post by sharathun » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:40 am

Could I see the bonus on the Chinese Revolution from Round 24?
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2018 HSNCT round 24 wrote:This revolution began after the Wuchang Uprising and protests about the handling of a railway crisis. For 10 points each—

A. Name this 1911 revolution that overthrew the Qing Dynasty and established the Republic of China.

answer: Xinhai Revolution

B. The Xinhai Revolution is commemorated as Double Ten Day on this island, which the Republic of China now governs.

answer: Taiwan (or Zhonghua Minguo; do not accept or prompt on "China" or "People's Republic of China")

C. This founder of the Chinese Nationalist Party was in exile when the revolution began, but returned to be elected president of the Republic of China in December 1911.

answer: Sun Yat-sen (or Sun Yixian or Sun Zhongshan)
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Post by joshxu » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:06 am

Quick question regarding application of the rules:

After completing 20 tossup/bonus cycles in Round 19, my team (Santa Monica B) and our opponent (Olympian A) had heard 19 bonuses (1 tossup went unanswered).

We correctly answered tossup 21 for 10 points. Since there were only about 20 seconds left on the clock and we were trailing by 45 points, we forfeited the bonus.

Neither team correctly answered tossup 22. If one team had gotten it, would they have heard bonus 20 or 21?

Although the official records say that 20 bonuses were heard that game (each team got 10 tossups), only 19 were read, since we forfeited the bonus on tossup/bonus cycle 21.
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Post by jonah » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:10 am

joshxu wrote:Quick question regarding application of the rules:

After completing 20 tossup/bonus cycles in Round 19, my team (Santa Monica B) and our opponent (Olympian A) had heard 19 bonuses (1 tossup went unanswered).

We correctly answered tossup 21 for 10 points. Since there were only about 20 seconds left on the clock and we were trailing by 45 points, we forfeited the bonus.

Neither team correctly answered tossup 22. If one team had gotten it, would they have heard bonus 20 or 21?

Although the official records say that 20 bonuses were heard that game (each team got 10 tossups), only 19 were read, since we forfeited the bonus on tossup/bonus cycle 21.
Passing a bonus is equivalent to giving all incorrect answers, so bonus 21 would be read next and it is correct that 20 bonuses were heard (you can think of it as "bonus opportunities" if you want; if you reject an opportunity, you still had it). However, if the moderator did read bonus 20 next, I would not expect us to review that.
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Post by slumpgod » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:05 am

Could I see the tossup on smell? I remember there being a clue regarding cranial nerves and I negged it after that point . Also, if your team had to leave before the tournament and couldn’t pickup their packet set, has NAQT sent those to the schools yet?
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Post by Important Bird Area » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:30 pm

2018 HSNCT round 17 wrote:Some animals have an organ called the VNO to augment this sense. It is often impaired in patients with Kartagener syndrome. The cribiform plate carries the first cranial nerve, which is named for this sense. This sense's signals bypass the thalamus, and go to a namesake (*) bulb after stimulation of chemoreceptors in a mucus membrane. For 10 points—identify this sense whose formal name is "olfaction."

answer: smell(ing) (accept olfaction before "olfaction"; accept olfactory nerve or olfactory bulb or olfactory mucosa before "olfaction") ["VNO" stands for "vomeronasal organ."]
We've sent out many copies of the HSNCT set that were not claimed at the tournament itself; I'll check with our shipping department to see if your team's has been sent out yet.
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Post by Thiccasso's Guernthicca » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:08 pm

Important Bird Area wrote:
2018 HSNCT round 17 wrote:Some animals have an organ called the VNO to augment this sense. It is often impaired in patients with Kartagener syndrome. The cribiform plate carries the first cranial nerve, which is named for this sense. This sense's signals bypass the thalamus, and go to a namesake (*) bulb after stimulation of chemoreceptors in a mucus membrane. For 10 points—identify this sense whose formal name is "olfaction."

answer: smell(ing) (accept olfaction before "olfaction"; accept olfactory nerve or olfactory bulb or olfactory mucosa before "olfaction") ["VNO" stands for "vomeronasal organ."]
We've sent out many copies of the HSNCT set that were not claimed at the tournament itself; I'll check with our shipping department to see if your team's has been sent out yet.
Could you check to see if my copy of the set has been sent out yet as well? I haven't received any confirmation yet, and I wasn't sure who to contact to ask. Sorry for the trouble!
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Post by cthewolf » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:48 pm

I hadn't seen this thread till now, but I was the player that negged (and protested) the hockey tossup (1st tossup in the packet) with Miami Heat on what I thought was a Chris Bosh clue. I also failed to get away on a bonus in the same round with "corvins" for "corvids" with probably the only moderator that actually knew the answer: Auroni. We lost that game by 5 points on a final question neg picked up by the other team. I guess when it rains, it pours:(
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Post by Subotai the Valiant, Final Dog of War » Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:03 pm

I also negged the hockey question on what I thought was a Chris Bosh clue and protested it (obviously unsuccessfully). We're in the same boat.
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