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PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Vivit » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:32 pm

This is a tentative announcement for a PACENSC, a Pokemon side event written by Ithaca High School, which will hopefully be finished in time for HS nationals. We're aiming for six or seven packets of 20 power-marked tossups. The questions should be around 7 to 9 lines in 12-point Times New Roman during writing, including bolding for powers.

The distribution will lean towards Generation IV and older games, but there will be a fair amount of content through Gen VII. The questions will be written in a similar vein, and hopefully difficulty, to those from past Pokemon packets, and while we'll be cluing from the anime, TCG, manga, competitive battling, spinoffs, and other sources, the main focus will be on the games.

We're going to try to run this at either HSNCT or PACE (or both, depending on interest) free of charge. More details to follow. Shoot a reply if you're interested in playing!

Signups here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Progcon » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:57 pm

I'll be super down to play this and I'm staffing PACE so I'd prefer if it was read there. Will there be questions about Pokémon Adventures and the metagame?
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Who Cares About Nausinous » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:26 pm

We already have some clues involving both Pokémon Adventures and competitive play.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Auks Ran Ova » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:47 pm

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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Guile Island » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:24 pm

You know I'll be here for this. Seeking a teammate with interest in winning.

EDIT since it was unclear: Is this getting run as singles? doubles? or something else?
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Progcon » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:01 am

Robert Williams Avenger wrote:You know I'll be here for this. Seeking a teammate with interest in winning.

EDIT since it was unclear: Is this getting run as singles? doubles? or something else?


I'd also be down to play with this anyone if this is doubles or whatever. For the record, I beat Dylan to a Pokémon clue this year :grin: .
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Vivit » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:07 am

Yeah, we're thinking doubles.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Jewish Pugilist » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:40 am

I am super down if it is at Hsnct (already have a teammate in mind as well)
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby tototavros » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:27 pm

How much of the implementation details of the games are important (I can imagine some sort of nasty questions about the damage calculation, PRNG, or personality values)?
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Mahavishnu » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:44 pm

I would like to play. Hopefully at HSNCT because I won't be able to attend PACE. I already have a partner.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Progcon » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:45 pm

tototavros wrote:How much of the implementation details of the games are important (I can imagine some sort of nasty questions about the damage calculation, PRNG, or personality values)?


Those technical details rarely show up in questions based on all the Pokémon packets I've read (and I think I've read every one on the trash archive). I don't think it is possible to write a uniquely identifying question with a clue like "When defeated, this Pokémon gives 3 Attack IVs" because that is true for many Pokémon. Also, the damage calculator actually gives a range of values and probabilities determine the exact damage output. I don't know a lot about the RNG of the games aside form looking up a couple of glitches that involve RNG and egg hatching. Does the Celebi Egg glitch from Gen II with Beat Up count as Hex manipulation or RNG abuse?

Sorry for interrupting this topic to nerd out. I'm just super stoked for this set. :grin:
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Who Cares About Nausinous » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:24 pm

tototavros wrote:How much of the implementation details of the games are important (I can imagine some sort of nasty questions about the damage calculation, PRNG, or personality values)?

We won't be using many of these details at all, since it's difficult to even use any of these coherently in a tossup.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Guile Island » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:51 am

Rob and I have formed an unholy Board Staff Alliance to play this event. We will be in the top percentage of teams.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Cody » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:17 am

Robert Williams Avenger wrote:Rob and I have formed an unholy Board Staff Alliance to play this event. We will be in the top percentage of teams.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby tototavros » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:43 am

I would love to play @ PACE, but I wouldn't be able to play @ HSNCT (as I won't be there). I would already have a partner if it is at PACE.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:22 pm

I am currently working on the logistics of this tournament. Hopefully we'll be able to run it at both national tournaments.

To help with planning, I've made a simple Google Sheet where people can put their teams and which nationals they'll be attending. If you are a free agent, I encourage you to reach out to someone else to form a doubles team instead of soloing, simply because that will make logistics that much easier.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vwBfuxBGdg2F2wTlZwkiHGf5yyZLP45Nmufv-aYeIjY/edit?usp=sharing (refer to post below for signup sheet)

If anyone has any tips on running a side event, please PM me. I want to make sure that we have enough rooms/buzzers/staffers to accommodate all interested players, and I'm not entirely familiar with the logistics of events like these.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby An Economic Ignoramus » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:03 pm

The Polebarn Hotel wrote:I am currently working on the logistics of this tournament. Hopefully we'll be able to run it at both national tournaments.

To help with planning, I've made a simple Google Sheet where people can put their teams and which nationals they'll be attending. If you are a free agent, I encourage you to reach out to someone else to form a doubles team instead of soloing, simply because that will make logistics that much easier.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

If anyone has any tips on running a side event, please PM me. I want to make sure that we have enough rooms/buzzers/staffers to accommodate all interested players, and I'm not entirely familiar with the logistics of events like these.

This document is view only, at least for me.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:28 pm

Thanks. I think that was a problem with my school email. Here's a new link that should work, but let me know again if it doesn't: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

edit: Also, we're probably going to need additional staffers for this. I've added an additional column for this purpose. If you are interested in the set but don't want to play, please consider helping out! The more staffers we have, the more teams we can accommodate.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:34 pm

This is almost definitely happening at HSNCT, after scrimmages are over on Friday at 9:30. I'm still working on PACE logistics, but it's looking good.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Frater Taciturnus » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:14 pm

Vivit wrote:Yeah, we're thinking doubles.


Just don't try to do a rotation battle format.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Vivit » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:32 pm

Frater Taciturnus wrote:
Vivit wrote:Yeah, we're thinking doubles.


Just don't try to do a rotation battle format.


We thought about it for HSNCT, but we were worried about getting enough people to do Triples at PACE.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Progcon » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:55 pm

Do the writers want any money for this set? I'd be happy to donate some money because I think trash writers should be paid, but do players have to pay?
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:48 am

Progcon wrote:Do the writers want any money for this set? I'd be happy to donate some money because I think trash writers should be paid, but do players have to pay?


We're doing this for fun, and we're definitely not going to require players to pay. That being said, donations are certainly appreciated.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Bold Ideas of Bernie Sanders (I-VT) » Thu May 11, 2017 12:08 am

Down to play at PACE, seeking a partner who knows recent games and smells not bad

EDIT: Even though Michigan State stinks, I'm playing with the presumably hygienic Harris Bunker
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Who Cares About Nausinous » Sun May 14, 2017 2:58 pm

Update: we are halfway through writing all of the tossups (a little more than 70 at this point) and are on track for finishing and organizing all seven packets by the time HSNCT comes around. Casey is getting the venues sorted out and the grind continues for us writers. We expect a 0.1 increase to our PPB to make up for the studying that we could be doing while we write silly questions about pocket critters.

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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Shashmaqam » Sun May 14, 2017 5:53 pm

Looking for another free agent to join, preferably one who knows 4th gen and later. #GSC4lyfe :party:
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Youngster Joey » Mon May 15, 2017 5:40 am

I'll play this. I already have a partner.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Vivit » Mon May 22, 2017 9:47 pm

The questions are done at this point. We ended up writing six packets' worth (120), which we're currently in the process of editing.
Most of the questions are comfortably in a "misc" category with clues crossing over Generations and games. As such, the distribution is pretty loose and nebulous, though we're making sure similar answer lines and clue sources don't get bunched up in individual packets. The answer line distro per packet looks like:
5-6 Pokemon
2-3 Locations
2-3 Characters
2-3 Mechanics (moves, abilities, etc.)
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With the rest being common link or difficult-to-categorize misc answer lines. The questions are I think quite difficult to power (though we'll see if anyone ends up proving me wrong). It's looking like we're set to run this after scrims at HSNCT, so look forward to seeing everyone there!
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Auks Ran Ova » Mon May 22, 2017 10:21 pm

Dylan and I will play at HSNCT, to be clear.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby master9017 » Tue May 23, 2017 8:46 am

Looks like this lone high-schooler will be playing as an FA. I know about 80% info from all Pokemon games if anybody wants to pick me up.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Tue May 23, 2017 11:27 pm

I'm going to close the field for the HSNCT side event because I think we have enough players for 12 teams (10 teams, 3 free agents, and 1 "maybe" team). Free agents should talk among themselves about forming teams, if possible, because I'd rather not sort people into teams if that means there may be someone who won't be able to play.

I also want to make sure that everyone who signed up to play is actually planning on doing so. If you are definitely down to play PACENSC on Friday at around 9:45PM, bold your team name in the spreadsheet (and if you don't have one, make one). If you are signed up and you now realize that you won't be at HSNCT, or you'd rather play Geography Monstrosity, then please remove yourself from the field.

We have six packets, so I think we'll just run a round robin with two brackets of 6, with cross-bracket finals rounds using the final packet. If you have any questions, shoot me a PM.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Brandon2 » Thu May 25, 2017 6:16 pm

My partner (who signed us up) is now unable to make this because of travel logistics, making me a free agent. If anyone is signed up but not paired up for the one at HSNCT lemme know, otherwise I'll have to defend spread attacks without that sweet sweet 25% damage reduction
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Fri May 26, 2017 5:56 pm

Due to some flight issues, we may not make it to the hotel at 9:30. It shouldn't be too long after, though, so we plan on starting as soon as we get to the hotel. I will try to keep everyone posted as we get closer to the time. Sorry about that!
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Fri May 26, 2017 6:14 pm

Aaaaaand we're headed back to the airport because there's a problem with the plane. We'll probably land at around 8:30, so the chances of us getting to the hotel by 9:30 are slim. We're still holding out, though.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Fri May 26, 2017 9:23 pm

We are here, so we should be ready in about 20 minutes.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Auks Ran Ova » Fri May 26, 2017 9:29 pm

Where are we meeting?
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Banned Tiny Toon Adventures Episode » Fri May 26, 2017 9:29 pm

The Polebarn Hotel wrote:We are here, so we should be ready in about 20 minutes.

USB there a particular place we should gather ?
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby saintanthony » Fri May 26, 2017 9:33 pm

I'm on my way to the hotel now. Anyway we could start this closer to 10?

Also, where should we meet?
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Fri May 26, 2017 9:46 pm

We are near the scrimmage desk! I'm wearing a white shirt and holding my laptop.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby ScoBo » Fri May 26, 2017 10:30 pm

The Polebarn Hotel wrote:We are near the scrimmage desk! I'm wearing a white shirt and holding my laptop.

Might I suggest people organizing side events consider the magnitude of the cleanup tasks the people at the scrimmage desk are trying to coordinate and pick a better spot that doesn't interfere with official tournament logistics next time?

(I wasn't one of those people - just someone who has run logistics for several tournaments and knows how distracting that kind of thing can be.)
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Banned Tiny Toon Adventures Episode » Sat May 27, 2017 1:57 am

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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Auks Ran Ova » Sat May 27, 2017 10:07 am

Yeah, this was a delight. Highly recommended.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Vivit » Mon May 29, 2017 1:54 am

So yeah, this happened. Tejas and Andrew Wang cleared the field to win 6-0. Thanks to all the teams that came out to play; hope everyone enjoyed the set even if the logistics were a little messy.

We unfortunately don't have complete stats because we forgot to ask the moderators to keep individual stats, but we'll do what we can to get something up soon. If you have any questions about the set or would like a copy, PM or email me at daniel.xu@icsd.k12.ny.us.

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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:23 pm

Because PACENSC at PACE NSC is in less than a week, I wanted to start organizing logistics. Since there aren't any scrimmages Friday night, which is when we're running it, we're going to have to use participants' hotel rooms and buzzer sets. I've made a new sheet on the original signup doc (link in OP) specifically for PACE. If you're interested in playing, feel free to sign up, make a clever team name, and let us know whether or not you'll have buzzers that we can use, and if you'd be willing to allow us to use your hotel room to play. If you've already signed up, please indicate this information on the sheet.

Right now, we have 3 or 4 teams and 3 free agents. I'm going to cap the field at 12 teams, which is what we had at HSNCT, though we can run it with any even number of teams. I'd like to encourage free agents to reach out to each other, or other people, to form doubles. Also, if you're signed up, we're assuming you're going to be there. One of the problems I had at HSNCT was that I had no idea how many teams were going to be there, since not everyone who originally signed up was there, and there were people who wanted to sign up on the day of the tournament. Due to the logistics of side events at PACE, specifically regarding buzzers and rooms, I don't think I'll be able to accommodate teams that want to sign up on the day of the tournament, so please sign up on the sheet as soon as you know whether or not you'll be able to play.

We'll be getting into Chicago sometime in the afternoon on Friday. The tournament ran really late at HSNCT, so we're planning on starting at 8:00PM, meaning that it'll probably end at around 10:00PM. We'll congregate at my hotel room, and when I find out where that actually is, I'll post here. Be aware that this is during the coaches conference.

As for stats from HSNCT, I don't foresee anything being posted anytime soon because our stats are incomplete, and we're focusing on studying for PACE NSC. After the tournament, though, we'll see what we can do. If you're curious about your own stats, you can shoot me a PM and I'll try to see if I can give you more details.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:13 am

Just to be clear, right now the field cap is six teams, because we have three rooms, and two of those rooms will have to play slapbowl because we have one buzzer set. If you want to help us expand, and if you want to play with actual buzzers, then consider volunteering either your room or your buzzer set(s); we'd greatly appreciate it.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:39 pm

Okay so this tournament will be held in rooms 377, 376, and 374, or just 377 and 374 if we end up having a four-team field. We will congregate directly outside of the rooms at 8:00 and then get started. For now, if you could confirm that you'll be here by bolding your team name in the Google Sheet or PMing me. Since no one volunteered their buzzer sets, one room will have buzzers and the rest will use slapbowl. See y'all then!
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:12 pm

Update: We have five people and we are doing a shootout in room 377. If you want to come and join just knock!
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby The Bold Ideas of Bernie Sanders (I-VT) » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:53 pm

This was an absurd amount of fun and a great set besides, thanks for writing.
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Vivit » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:08 pm

We ended up reading all 6 packets as a shootout.
Final scores:
Adam - 320
Alex - 470
Andrew - 140
Harry - 170
Harris - 660

Harris also wins the neg prize for negging an astonishing 35 tossups. For the record, Adam negged 34, ten of those being in one round.
We might have more detailed stats (for real this time) available some time after PACE. Thanks all for playing!
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Re: PACENSC ~ A Pokemon Side Event

Postby Progcon » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:25 am

Vivit wrote:We ended up reading all 6 packets as a shootout.
Final scores:
Adam - 320
Alex - 470
Andrew - 140
Harry - 170
Harris - 660

Harris also wins the neg prize for negging an astonishing 35 tossups. For the record, Adam negged 34, ten of those being in one round.
We might have more detailed stats (for real this time) available some time after PACE. Thanks all for playing!


Thanks for writing this. It was the most fun I had playing in a while even if the 20 point powers and 0 point negs really played to my advantage :lol: . I would like to know how many things I and the other players powered. Very few things went dead which was awesome to see.
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