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Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:01 pm

I made a list of all the quality tournaments I could find and found their Census assigned Metropolitan Statistical Areas here. I want to expand the list of MSAs without QB to the top 100, at least, but that'll be done later this week.

If you have any corrections, please let me know.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby Father Comstock » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:54 pm

I hate to say it, but Indianapolis has a couple NAC events during the year. Not that it's quiz bowl, but it does happen.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby 2017 in amusement parks » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:20 pm

You have Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk listed as an MSA without quiz bowl but we're in the area (you have our tournaments listed under NYC, which is also an MSA we're in). Just saying.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby dhumphreys17 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:21 pm

AKKOLADE wrote:I made a list of all the quality tournaments I could find and found their Census assigned Metropolitan Statistical Areas here. I want to expand the list of MSAs without QB to the top 100, at least, but that'll be done later this week.

If you have any corrections, please let me know.


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Father Comstock wrote:I hate to say it, but Indianapolis has a couple NAC events during the year. Not that it's quiz bowl, but it does happen.


:chip: events ≠ quality tournaments. Let's make that crystal clear, please and thank you.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:35 pm

2017 in amusement parks wrote:You have Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk listed as an MSA without quiz bowl but we're in the area (you have our tournaments listed under NYC, which is also an MSA we're in). Just saying.

You are correct. I'll fix this.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby Father Comstock » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:00 pm

dhumphreys17 wrote:
Father Comstock wrote:I hate to say it, but Indianapolis has a couple NAC events during the year. Not that it's quiz bowl, but it does happen.


:chip: events ≠ quality tournaments. Let's make that crystal clear, please and thank you.


Pretty sure I did. Thanks for the help though
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby njsbling » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:02 pm

There has been one NAQT tournament in the Denver-area in each of the past 3 years (most recent one: https://www.naqt.com/stats/tournament-t ... nt_id=8156)

There wasn't a tournament in Portland, Oregon this year but there have been 2 in the area in the past 5 years (most recent one: https://www.naqt.com/stats/tournament-t ... nt_id=7174)
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby Everything in the Whole Wide World » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:21 pm

A quick correction re: Pennsylvania. Downingtown East is located in Chester county, which is part of the Philadelphia metro, not Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton as listed.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:29 pm

njsbling wrote:There has been one NAQT tournament in the Denver-area in each of the past 3 years (most recent one: https://www.naqt.com/stats/tournament-t ... nt_id=8156)

There wasn't a tournament in Portland, Oregon this year but there have been 2 in the area in the past 5 years (most recent one: https://www.naqt.com/stats/tournament-t ... nt_id=7174)

Denver and Boulder are separates MSAs.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:37 pm

It's worth noting that BrainBusters Fall (and Spring, I suppose) has attracted teams from many of the listed MSAs, such as Rochester, Albany-Schenectady-Troy, Syracuse, and Binghamton, not just Ithaca. Most of these teams participate in MasterMinds, which admittedly could be worse; it uses NAQT A-sets, though with stifling restrictions. Scott Blish has done a lot of admirable work in the region, and that will be carried on by Ben Kirk (Ithaca) and Victoria Lehman (Geneva) when he moves to Florida. Additionally, some of these areas have an NHBB presence: Nichols (Buffalo) and Fayetteville-Manlius (Syracuse) come to mind as upstate NY schools that went to NHBB nationals.

Though I've never played MasterMinds myself, I've talked to enough people to understand its strong presence in most upstate MSAs. The thing with MasterMinds is that it is so well regarded and established in these regions that it's very difficult to convert teams to better quizbowl. Even if the players want to, the school administration meets them with resistance (despite the fact that it's like paying $500 to hear one A-set over multiple weeks). Another thing that I've noticed is that many teams don't study for MasterMinds; in this sense, regular-difficulty sets may seem daunting. Still, I think there's hope for the region as more and more people realize that MasterMinds has no redeeming qualities that regular quizbowl lacks.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:35 am

I believe I've made all the corrections necessary.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:37 am

The Polebarn Hotel wrote:It's worth noting that BrainBusters Fall (and Spring, I suppose) has attracted teams from many of the listed MSAs, such as Rochester, Albany-Schenectady-Troy, Syracuse, and Binghamton, not just Ithaca.


The idea behind this is to see which MSAs have tournaments hosted within them. It's great if teams will travel out of their MSAs, but in terms of recruitment, it's a missed opportunity if no one is hosting within those MSAs.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby Everything in the Whole Wide World » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:14 am

To add to Fred's point, I've consistently found that you'll exponentially increase the number of teams willing to do an all-day Saturday tournament when you can provide that tournament within an hour of home. People don't like getting up at 5 in the morning to try out this pyramidal quizbowl thing.

This is fantastic data we can do a lot with. Fred's obviously had to draw an arbitrary line for "metros with little quizbowl" but even beyond that when you see things like Los Angeles having only six tournaments compared to Columbia MO's twelve, it makes you really stop and think about how patchy our decades of work still are and what can still be done.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby The Polebarn Hotel » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:32 am

AKKOLADE wrote:
The Polebarn Hotel wrote:It's worth noting that BrainBusters Fall (and Spring, I suppose) has attracted teams from many of the listed MSAs, such as Rochester, Albany-Schenectady-Troy, Syracuse, and Binghamton, not just Ithaca.


The idea behind this is to see which MSAs have tournaments hosted within them. It's great if teams will travel out of their MSAs, but in terms of recruitment, it's a missed opportunity if no one is hosting within those MSAs.


Yeah, that makes sense. Geneva will probably host a tournament or two next year in the Rochester area, and hopefully one of the Albany-area teams that has ventured outside of MasterMinds will host as well. We'll see.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:54 pm

In the interest of getting other work done today, could somebody(/ies) help me out and tell me if NHBB has had any events hosted in these states?

Alaska
Arkansas
Delaware
Hawaii
Kansas
Maine
Montana
North Dakota
Nebraska
New Hampshire
Oregon
Rhode Island
Utah
Wyoming
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby Irreligion in Bangladesh » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:53 pm

Hosted an NHBB event in 2017:
AKKOLADE wrote:Arkansas
Delaware
Hawaii
Montana
New Hampshire
Oregon


If you want me to look up past years, lemme know! :)
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:30 pm

Irreligion in Bangladesh wrote:Hosted an NHBB event in 2017:
AKKOLADE wrote:Arkansas
Delaware
Hawaii
Montana
New Hampshire
Oregon


If you want me to look up past years, lemme know! :)

It'd be appreciated if you did!
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:54 pm

Okay, if you know someone in the above mentioned states that would be interested in quiz bowl tournaments, let me know!
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby Irreligion in Bangladesh » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:25 pm

Alaska had an event in 2012-13: http://www.historybowl.com/regional-sit ... aska-2013/

Kansas has had events in previous years, but the host couldn't make it work this year. http://www.historybowl.com/regional-sit ... nsas-2013/ and http://www.historybowl.com/regional-sit ... 2015-bowl/ are examples.

North Dakota had events in 2013, 14, and 15: http://www.historybowl.com/regional-sit ... bowl-2014/ had a good turnout.

Nebraska had one event: http://www.historybowl.com/regional-sit ... aska-2014/

Wyoming had an event in 2014: http://www.historybowl.com/regional-sit ... ming-2014/

Maine, Rhode Island, and Utah look empty.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby Gonzague Truc » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:55 am

AMSA may technically be in the Boston MSA but is significantly closer to Worcester than to Boston. The Worcester MSA is for some reason confined only to Worcester County.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:32 pm

Yes, but they're in the Boston MSA, so there they are.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby Aaron Manby (ironmaster) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:39 pm

NHBB also has hosted some stuff in BC, Alberta, and more consistently in Quebec. Quebec is a weird situation because their equivalence of secondary and postseconday schools go 7-11, 12+first year, 2nd thru 4th year. Generally, the NHBB teacher supervisors say that just doing NHBB is too much work for them, and would wait a few more years before they would be interested in all subject stuff. Also there's only like 10 English language schools. But, I could get you the contact info for those schools (or ask Brad or a Madden to give them to you).


I heard that BC high schools are trying to get QB going. I already let you know about this Fred.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby Atlashill » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:03 pm

Technical nitpick: Oklahoma City isn't showing up in the listings. It appears it's because they had four tournaments listed, and neither the "little quizbowl" nor "lots of quizbowl" has any MSAs listed with four.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:50 pm

I haven't added 4 to either group, since it felt silly to say that was a lot of quiz bowl. But if people want the 4s somewhere, I'll do that when I have a chance.

In related news, I've added all of the Metro Areas to the "don't have quiz bowl tourneys" list, including little baby (Rob) Carson City. My obsessiveness is relieved.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby alexdz » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:44 am

I think geographic thinking can be really helpful in considering places for expansion of existing efforts. This analysis can be really helpful to see where state organizations need to do more work in a broad sense.

One thing that this kind of analysis fails to capture, though, is how to best tackle multi-state MSAs. Is the St. Louis MSA successful overall if nearly all of its tournaments are happening in Missouri and hosting Missouri high schools? Or, the Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers MSA, which extends into a Missouri county that has exactly one high school?

I like that MSAs are a convenient way to look at population centers, but I don't think they necessarily capture the realities of quizbowl tournament travel. Yes, its nice to think about having tournaments as close as possible to attendees. Yet, Columbia and Jefferson City are in separate MSAs in Missouri, but functionally they are less than 30 minutes apart and a team traveling to one could just as easily travel to the other. State organizers should take the information here with a grain of salt and do what's best with their resources.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby troyharris » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:06 am

New Hampshire has hosted 2 NHBB annually for several years now-Hanover H.S. and ConVal High School have been the host schools.
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Re: Quiz Bowl & Metropolitan Areas in 2017

Postby AKKOLADE » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:31 am

alexdz wrote:I think geographic thinking can be really helpful in considering places for expansion of existing efforts. This analysis can be really helpful to see where state organizations need to do more work in a broad sense.

One thing that this kind of analysis fails to capture, though, is how to best tackle multi-state MSAs. Is the St. Louis MSA successful overall if nearly all of its tournaments are happening in Missouri and hosting Missouri high schools? Or, the Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers MSA, which extends into a Missouri county that has exactly one high school?

I like that MSAs are a convenient way to look at population centers, but I don't think they necessarily capture the realities of quizbowl tournament travel. Yes, its nice to think about having tournaments as close as possible to attendees. Yet, Columbia and Jefferson City are in separate MSAs in Missouri, but functionally they are less than 30 minutes apart and a team traveling to one could just as easily travel to the other. State organizers should take the information here with a grain of salt and do what's best with their resources.

Of course. This is just one tool for you to use.

My response to the multi-state MSAs thing is to encourage you to develop a list of high schools in that area and go from there. The advantage of the MSAs is it gives you a starting point for developing that list of schools, and then you can look at where they are in relation to each other. For example, Washington DC's dips into West Virginia for a grand total of one county and two schools. It'd be great to get those schools involved, but obviously the 37 in DC itself or 101 in Maryland would have a greater impact. Blindly following anything isn't a good idea.
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